Kim Possible is WAY better than Buffy

[Angelus7181]

...this coming from the person with the Kreuk avatar?

lol!!!

As far as the topic goes... I find it rediculous that a "normal" teenage girl would go around fighting supervillians across the globe while still making it back home to tackle her homework and social life... it's no wonder it's a mindless disney cartoon series.

With that said.. In the Buffyverse slayers are chosen by fate to battle evil forces. This calling also mystically endows slayers with dramatically increased physical strength, endurance, agility, intuition, accelerated healing, and a limited degree of clairvoyance, usually in the form of prophetic dreams. So in other words... huge coolfest central, so without a dout Buffy is "WAY" better by a long shot.

 

[The Question]

lol!!!

As far as the topic goes... I find it rediculous that a "normal" teenage girl would go around fighting supervillians across the globe while still making it back home to tackle her homework and social life... it's no wonder it's a mindless disney cartoon series.

It's not mindless. I actually rather enjoy it. And, I simply assume that she doesn't get a case every single day.

 

[JLBats]

I think one of the reasons I've always enjoyed Buffy and Angel is how serialised it is in nature. I don't get that from Kim Possible.

That sentence felt very weird to say.

 

[The Question]

I think one of the reasons I've always enjoyed Buffy and Angel is how serialised it is in nature. I don't get that from Kim Possible.

Yeah. My favorite part of Buffy is how each season is one bog story. However, that has it's downsides. If you miss a few episodes, you're kind of ****ed.

 

[GL1]

I've seen both... I enjoy Kim Possible much more... KP is FUN... Buffy is... angsty... thrilling... definitely NOT action packed. Kim of course deals with plenty of teen issues... typically rather directly, as it is a KIDS TV show, and not a WB teeny-bop show...

I can certainly understand how someone who is more serious and dark-minded would enjoy Buffy much more, however, Buffy is hardly of 'higher quality' than Kim Possible, if it is at all.

 

[JLBats]

Yeah. My favorite part of Buffy is how each season is one bog story. However, that has it's downsides. If you miss a few episodes, you're kind of ****ed.

Now that I think about it, I can't think of a single drama series I've ever liked that isn't highly serialised.

 

[Sandman138]

I think you are seeing in the shows things that are not there.

Judging from Joss Whedon's other work, "Firefly", I seriously doubt he's an artistic, philosophical person.

You have got to be joking. Fox pulled Firefly because it was about a distopia created by capitalism taking over democracy and how the presence of government tends to be the antagonist of free thought and action. It was subversive and Fox didn't want it on their network. Buffy was an allegory for teenage life, and it was also about the oppresion of patriachy. The final season was all about how the Watchers were there to continue a tradition of keeping women under the control of men, and in the end, the ultimate evil is defeated by means of a socialist-femminist revolution whereby all women receive power and transcend the patriachal system. It's definatly allegory, I'm wondering how you couldn't see it, the show was far from subtle.

 

[The Question]

I've seen both... I enjoy Kim Possible much more... KP is FUN... Buffy is... angsty... thrilling... definitely NOT action packed. Kim of course deals with plenty of teen issues... typically rather directly, as it is a KIDS TV show, and not a WB teeny-bop show...

Well, I'd hardly call Buffy a teeny-bop show either. I think the reason they handled the social isues through metaphore was simply to not come off as preachy.

You have got to be joking. Fox pulled Firefly because it was about a distopia created by capitalism taking over democracy and how the presence of government tends to be the antagonist of free thought and action. It was subversive and Fox didn't want it on their network. Buffy was an allegory for teenage life, and it was also about the oppresion of patriachy. The final season was all about how the Watchers were there to continue a tradition of keeping women under the control of men, and in the end, the ultimate evil is defeated by means of a socialist-femminist revolution whereby all women receive power and transcend the patriachal system. It's definatly allegory, I'm wondering how you couldn't see it, the show was far from subtle.

And then there's Angel. Not only was that show about redemption, but someone on these boards (I believe it was JLBats) brilliantly pointed out that it was a metaphore of a man and his faith. Angel, ever since season one, fought on behalf of the powers that be, which were essentially the forces of heaven. Then, in season four, the whole Jasmine thing happened. A power that be nearly created utopia by destroying free will, and the rest did nothing. Not only did that storyline serve as a metaphore for the dangers of religious fanaticism, but the end showed Angel "losing his faith" and making a deal with the "devil," E/I Wlofram & Hart. Season five showed him regreting that mistake and, not as much regaining his fath in a higher power, but regaining his faith in humanity.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Try to make Kim Possible into a live action show with the same way its written as the cartooon...it wouldnt last that long. Kim Possible is/was(last time I saw an episode) shown to basically be the perfect person, she never lies, never cheats, always nice, and has no secret identity..

Plus the fact that she fights stupid crazy villans compared to a girl who fights demons on a day to day basis and actually comes near death..

 

[The Question]

Try to make Kim Possible into a live action show with the same way its written as the cartooon...it wouldnt last that long. Kim Possible is/was(last time I saw an episode) shown to basically be the perfect person, she never lies, never cheats, always nice, and has no secret identity..

Actually, she's not that perfect, She seems that way, but she isn't. She lies alot more than you think (as displayed in an episode where she found herself unable to lie). The show's actually done a pretty good job of showing that even the "perfect" people in the world have flaws.

 

[JackBauer]

y'know what I do find the funniest thing? how aliasman insists that Buffy fans are "anal-retentive tightasses" when he's the one who's ALWAYS coming to stir up s#!t saying that Kim Possible is better than Buffy.

hypocrisy at its worst, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[The Question]

Oh, I've seen far worse examples. But this is still a pretty good one. And really, I don;t see why the shows should even be in compatition. They;re both very different. The only common themse is that they both have female leading roles and they both have a character who's a bumbling nerd who, in actually, would be a very comptant fighter if he had some self condfadence. Really, a better arguement is "who's better, Ron or Xander?" But hey, I like both shows. Buffy's a very well written, inteligent show about a teenage girl who kicks ass. Kim Possible is a clever, fun show about a teenage girl who kicks ass. You watch both for different reasons.

 

[Mandi-chan]

You know why I started the Kim Possible VS Buffy thread?

Because I think Kim Possible is how Buffy SHOULD have been.

Buffy's quite fine on it's own, actually. If Buffy were like Kim Possible, it would have sucked! Probably would never have been picked up by the network.

My point:

-Kim Possible doesn't NEED super powers to do what she does. She can do anything, and her being a cartoon character allows her to break the laws of physics.

Sarah Michelle Gellar, on the other hand, needs wire-work and stuntment to LOOK tough, even if she's a scrawny wimp that would be mugged and ****ed in a bad LA neighborhood.

Uh...what's your point again kid? You take a cartoon character and compare her to an actress? I thought this was a debate on the character "Buffy Summers" and "Kim Possible", so why are you talking about SMG?

If it's Buffy vs Kim, then Buffy wins by a long shot! Kim's amazing, no doubt about it, but Buffy's even more amazing. She's delt with way more problems and a large variety of powerful enemies, when comparing to Kimmy's baddies...well, there's nothing to compare. They're average joes.

-Kim Possible is a catoon character. Buffy, on the other hand, is Sarah Michelle Gellar, the most annoying and ******ed actress this side of Keanu Reeves.

Why's Sarah annoying? What the hell does that have to do with the two shows and characters?

If you mean to say that BUFFY was annoying, then that's one thing. Then I can point out how obnoxious Kim Possible is. She's constantly (last time I watched) obsessing over her image at school, about how damn popular she is. It's annoying.

-Buffy needs all of those fanboys to secure her huge but fragile ego. If she doesn't have brainless people admiring her and worshipping her, she's powerless.

Kim Possible, on the other hand,doesn't NEED fanboys to feel secure about herself.

Um...what? Buffy and Kim are characters in tv shows...they don't have fans to boost their egos since they're characters in shows.

But, if you insist on yabbering about idiotic fanboys. Kim seems to have them...you!

-Buffy needs all those weapons like the Slayer's Scythe or a rocket launcher to stand a chance against someone tougher than a paralytic mummy.

Kim Possible, on the other hand, regularly fights Shego, a being thatcan fire deadly energy beams from her hands, unarmed.

Most of the time Buffy's fighting hand to hand, using the stake to kill the vamps once she's beaten the **** out of them.

Besides, your comment doesn't make any sense. Kim relies heavily on tech stuff to get around, and then she had that moronic super suit in the movie (that was lame).

As for Kim and Shego...Kim never seems to totally win against Shego. And in the movie she got her ass handed to her by Shego WITH THE LAME SUPER SUIT on!

-Buffy, because of her don't-call-me- babe ****y beeyatch macho attitude, treats everyone like crap. She abused and humiliated that poor kid Andrew.

Beside the bad guys (who deserve it) who does Buffy treat like crap? If anything, her friends treated her like crap on more than one occasion.

Kim treats Ron like crap in the movie.

Andrew thought being a bad guy was cool, and he murdered his best friend. Yeah...poor Andrew.

Kim Possible is a nice, social girl that treats Ron Stoppable as if he were her own brother.

I don't disagree, but you can say the same for Buffy and her friends. Giles is like a father to her, Willow and Xander are her best friends and like siblings to her.

-Kim Possible doesn't have to hide what she does to anyone, including her parents (who are both alive and well)

Kim's parents are well known in the show, and she fights humans. Plus, her crime fighting seems to make her popular.

Buffy fights demons, things that the rest of society think don't exsist. If she talked about it people would think she's nuts.

-Kim Possible actually confessed her love to Ron Stoppable.

If I remember correctly, she never "confessed her love to Ron". She seemed to realize he had more than just friendly feelings for her, and chose to ignore it. If I remember correctly from the movie, she even talked about this with someone (forgot who) and told them that it wouldn't work because he was too dorky and stuff. She seemed more concerned about her image than her so-called "feelings" for him. (which is why I hated the movie, Kim came across as really shallow to me).

Then Kimmy gets the perfect boyfriend, drooling over him constantly in front of Ron even though she knew how Ron felt about her.

But, when the boyfriend turned out to be a robot (or whatever the hell he was) suddenly Ron was good enough for her!

Buffy can't get any boy without him either dying, or leaving her for someone else.

Angel left her because he wanted to protect her, wanted her to live a somewhat normal life. He knew he would hold her back if he stayed. They still loved each other though, and that never stopped. Even when the two of them tried to move on (Angel called out Buffy's name in a dream he had about him sleeping with Cordy).

Riley left because he wanted Buffy to make a choice ( I don't remember what it was).

Spike "died".

-Kim Possible doesn't rely on a group of "friends" to do her dirty work.

So what does Wade do?

-Wade Load is better than Glies, no doubt about it. He's a technological genius on par with Reed Richards.

Yeah, but he does all of Kim's "dirty work" for her. You just said that was a bad thing.

-Her theme song is better. It actually has lyrics, and catchy onesat that.

That's a stupid argument. Both themes are good and catchy.

-Disney is better than Mutant Enemy, and OF COURSE the guys who created Kim Possible are better than that overrated hack Joss Whedon

Joss has written for Disney before. Mutant Enemy and Joss are fantastic writers. If the writers from ME stink, then why did the people behind "LOST" (a DISNEY show) hire a bunch of them?

-Kim Possible never stopped being a cheerleader, and she's the more popular girl in her school.

How does that make her better? Makes her come across as shallow to me if all she cares about is being the leader of the cheerleaders so she can remain in her idiotic "popular" status.

Buffy, OTOH, quit cheerleading when the series started and is a social outcast.

Buffy was a cheerleader before the series, when she was on the Sunnydale team she didn't care enough to try and stay in.

Shallow activities like being "Popular" isn't the focus of her life. She has friends that she cares about (like Kim) and doesn't judge them (unlike Kim).

 

[Abaddon]

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

It's one thing to like a character and dislike another. It's an entirely different to NEED to create some pointless debates to try to proove how wonderfully right you are. Just so you can have something to validate your existence and boost your ego.

-In their own seperate mediums, Buffy and Kim are equals
-Pit their allegories, comparisons, analogies, themes against each other and
Buffy's SHOW > than Kim's.
-Measure of the character's themselves... I might give an edge to Buffy, but I think this is completely subjective (Both represent a very different standard superbly, I just think Buffy's is more relevant).

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, this thread is back and people are STILL taking it seriously?

 

[Abaddon]

I'm pretty sure aliassomethingorother was serious when he made it.