Kofi Annan claims destuction of U.N. Outpost by Israeli airstrike to be "delibrate"

[Mr Sparkle]

If it was a deliberate targetting of civilians, it would not be a good thing. However, since it's a deliberate targetting of terrorists, it's a good thing.

no, no you're not getting it.


yes


no

simple enough right? in fact, it IS deliberate targetting of civillians since they KNOW they are civillian areas, but they don't care, in order to get the enemy they will kill as many civillians as it takes, so in fact Jonty, it IS deliberate.

so again, yes or no?

 

[War Lord]

no, no you're not getting it.


yes


no

simple enough right? in fact, it IS deliberate targetting of civillians since they KNOW they are civillian areas, but they don't care, in order to get the enemy they will kill as many civillians as it takes, so in fact Jonty, it IS deliberate.

so again, yes or no?

Of course it's not a good thing to target civilians, but you'll have to tell the Hezbollah who does deliberately target civilians, but I don't see you complaining about that.

Tell Hezbollah to move into open areas so Israel can get them fairly without putting civilians at undo risk.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Of course it's not a good thing to target civilians, but you'll have to tell the Hezbollah who does deliberately target civilians, but I don't see you complaining about that.

Tell Hezbollah to move into open areas so Israel can get them fairly without putting civilians at undo risk.

ummm....

no, no you're not getting it.


yes


no

simple enough right? in fact, it IS deliberate targetting of civillians since they KNOW they are civillian areas, but they don't care, in order to get the enemy they will kill as many civillians as it takes, so in fact Jonty, it IS deliberate.

so again, yes or no?

 

[War Lord]

ummm....

I guess I can't help but dissapoint you because I am not going to give a simple yes or no to rather complex situations.

Sorry.

*shrugs

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I guess I can't help but dissapoint you because I am not going to give a simple yes or no to rather complex situations.

Sorry.

*shrugs

what, no absolutes this time? I'll be sure and remind you of this next time you try to use that absolute line of thinking in another thread.
so then, let me ask you this.
would you say that by targetting areas which are civillian areas, Israel is not targetting civillians?

 

[War Lord]

what, no absolutes this time? I'll be sure and remind you of this next time you try to use that absolute line of thinking in another thread.
so then, let me ask you this.
would you say that by targetting areas which are civillian areas, Israel is not targetting civillians?

Labanon is a fairly dense populated area, so there aren't many unpopulated areas.

Since the terrorist organizations keep themselves in highly populated areas, it would make no sense in targetting empty fields, where they aren't.

 

[maxwell's demon]

"labanon"

that sounds...dirty.

 

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So that's a very indirect yes?

 

[bored]

Of course it's not a good thing to target civilians, but you'll have to tell the Hezbollah who does deliberately target civilians, but I don't see you complaining about that.

Tell Hezbollah to move into open areas so Israel can get them fairly without putting civilians at undo risk.

Israel is, supposedly, the side on the moral high ground (if either is, which I doubt). That their enemy does something doesn't justify them doing it.

 

[War Lord]

Israel is, supposedly, the side on the moral high ground (if either is, which I doubt). That their enemy does something doesn't justify them doing it.

However, Israel isn't targetting civilians. They never have, unless you count a terrorist as a civilian, which in a way they are.

If you want to help Israel to stop accidentally killing civilians, convince Hezbollah to move into open territory, so they can be picked off like chickens.

 

[bored]

That they're not "targetting civilians" is questionable, given the airport attack, and it doesn't make it much better if they're bombing civilian areas because Hezbollah members are around.

 

[jaguarr]

"labanon"

that sounds...dirty.

It sounds like a word that turns up those romance/smut novels:

As she spread her labanon, my unbridled excitement uncoiled and sprang forth as if it were a striking serpent of lust.

:nauseous:

jag

 

[War Lord]

That they're not "targetting civilians" is questionable, given the airport attack, and it doesn't make it much better if they're bombing civilian areas because Hezbollah members are around.

The airport attack was to simply ensure the kidnapped soldiers weren't shipped off to Iran, where the soldiers would have been horribly tortured and then killed.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

The airport attack was to simply ensure the kidnapped soldiers weren't shipped off to Iran, where the soldiers would have been horribly tortured and then killed.

sure, let's kill ten or 12 civillians to make sure two soldiers don't get tortured.
and of course the infrastructure had to go too.

 

[War Lord]

sure, let's kill ten or 12 civillians to make sure two soldiers don't get tortured.
and of course the infrastructure had to go too.

Yet I don't hear any other alternative plan than that Israel must always suffer without being able to take action.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Yet I don't hear any other alternative plan than that Israel must always suffer without being able to take action.

well, see the two soldiers where captured in clashes in south lebanon.
so, it seems more like the IDF was the agressor, since it crossed borders and stuff.

go fig.

 

[The Infernal]

When I first saw the attack on the news a part of me was saying I wouldn't be surprised if they had done this on purpose. I mean it would be up there with the killed aid workers, Red Cross ambulances and children who have walked into the wrong zone.

What really annoys me is that the G8 are giving Isreal more than enough room politicaly to carry on with this crap.

 

[War Lord]

well, see the two soldiers where captured in clashes in south lebanon.
so, it seems more like the IDF was the agressor, since it crossed borders and stuff.

go fig.

You're assuming that they crossed borders.

 

[War Lord]

When I first saw the attack on the news a part of me was saying I wouldn't be surprised if they had done this on purpose. I mean it would be up there with the killed aid workers, Red Cross ambulances and children who have walked into the wrong zone.

What really annoys me is that the G8 are giving Isreal more than enough room politicaly to carry on with this crap.

That's probably because most of the G-8 have been victims of terrorism.

Go figure.

 

[The Infernal]

That's probably because most of the G-8 have been victims of terrorism.

Go figure.

So, what are you saying? They felt left out and wanted a go at some terrorism theirselves? That's no excuse for letting Isreal tear up Lebanon like that.

 

[War Lord]

So, what are you saying? They felt left out and wanted a go at some terrorism theirselves? That's no excuse for letting Isreal tear up Lebanon like that.

No, when you're a victim of any crime, you tend towards being sympathetic of people who were similarly victims themselves of the same crime. I certainly hope that it doesn't take you being a victim of some terrorist attack for you to get that point.

If you want this to end, than let Israel finish off Hezbollah once and for all, or else this same conflict will arise within a couple of years and be even worse for both sides and it could end up being a wider war than the very limited conflict it is right now.

 

[The Infernal]

No, when you're a victim of any crime, you tend towards being sympathetic of people who were similarly victims themselves of the same crime. I certainly hope that it doesn't take you being a victim of some terrorist attack for you to get that point.

I see your point, I'm not entirely unsympathetic with Isreal either. However, they are very often too heavy handed with their enemies and employ tactics more fitting to terrorists themselves.

Also, I live in London and use the tube frequently. I was late to work on the day of the attacks and wasn't too far away. Even if I had been caught right in it I wouldn't think any different about Isreal's tactics, or lack thereof.

If you want this to end, than let Israel finish off Hezbollah once and for all, or else this same conflict will arise within a couple of years and be even worse for both sides and it could end up being a wider war than the very limited conflict it is right now.

They're not killing off Hezbollah, they're killing Lebanon. The Isreali army aren't very good at hitting a specific enemy. They're not exactly careful about how they deploy their bombs or army and are notorious for their collatoral damage.

 

[War Lord]

I see your point, I'm not entirely unsympathetic with Isreal either. However, they are very often too heavy handed with their enemies and employ tactics more fitting to terrorists themselves.

Also, I live in London and use the tube frequently. I was late to work on the day of the attacks and wasn't too far away. Even if I had been caught right in it I wouldn't think any different about Isreal's tactics, or lack thereof.

They're not killing off Hezbollah, they're killing Lebanon. The Isreali army aren't very good at hitting a specific enemy. They're not exactly careful about how they deploy their bombs or army and are notorious for their collatoral damage.

They have to be heavy handed, because past lessons have taught them that the only reward for restraint is dead Israelis, because their enemies become bolder when there isn't a heavy price to pay. Israel would be among the first countries to not strike back if it meant that their enemies would want to make peace. That's one of the reasons why Arafat's Intifadah lasted so long, because Israel was trying to wait it out.

You should never be late for work, it's neither a good example for your fellow workers nor a good way to impress the boss.

No army in the world is so competent that they can hit their enemy, and only their enemy, when their enemy has surrounded themselves with civilians, which is a problem, because if Israel chooses to not attack until they can hit their enemies with certainty, it's interpreted as restraint and their enemies go for bigger and bolder kills. When it comes down to it, Lebanon has chosen to allow Hezbollah to mix within its population and now it's paying the price for such a choice.

 

[The Infernal]

They have to be heavy handed, because past lessons have taught them that the only reward for restraint is dead Israelis, because their enemies become bolder when there isn't a heavy price to pay. Israel would be among the first countries to not strike back if it meant that their enemies would want to make peace. That's one of the reasons why Arafat's Intifadah lasted so long, because Israel was trying to wait it out.

You should never be late for work, it's neither a good example for your fellow workers nor a good way to impress the boss.

No army in the world is so competent that they can hit their enemy, and only their enemy, when their enemy has surrounded themselves with civilians, which is a problem, because if Israel chooses to not attack until they can hit their enemies with certainty, it's interpreted as restraint and their enemies go for bigger and bolder kills. When it comes down to it, Lebanon has chosen to allow Hezbollah to mix within its population and now it's paying the price for such a choice.

I disagree with almost all of what you said. Except the being late for work and armies being able to hit their enemies all the time, they're pretty much no brainers. Though the remark about being late for work makes me think none of this is serious to you and you're taking the mickey. Plus at the end of your post you seem to be promoting Genocide.

 

[bored]

He tends to go to great lengths to stay 'consistent' in his views.