Mark Gordon To Produce 'The Phantom'

[Breogan]

You sound like the guy saying Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians or Galaxy don't have the audience to warrant movies.
Or the guy with zero vision once saying you can't reboot Batman after Schumacher.

Ok now this is just getting silly. Never did I think or say anything about those other properties,

LOL didn't say you did, I said you sound like someone saying the likes of Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians or Galaxy don't have the audience, to warrant spending the money on making movies.

but to even remotely compare those to The Phantom is ludicrous.

The comparison to Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians of Galaxy was in reply to you saying

" You need an audience, and sadly, I just don't think a large enough one exists to warrant spending the money."

Neither Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians of Galaxy had the guaranteed built in audience you speak of, yet those with vision saw the potential for movies.
Your approach would have killed those franchises.

The Phantom's suit is just one of many issues this has going against it. These properties have already had their heyday. Maybe it's just best to leave them in the past?

As far as the costume or rebooting of a franchise, if Batman can return after these vision, to reinvent itself......

--->

The costume isn't an obstacle as you say.
You sound like someone dismissing Batman based on those previous incarnations.

Batman's suit was once near the same as the Phantom's only with ears and a cape added. Yet Batman was updated.
Just because a franchise like Batman grew out of the 30's Doesn't mean it has to visually stay with what it did before, and can't reinvent itself, same as the Phantom.

And read what I'm saying, I'm not saying the Phamtom is some guaranteed success, it obviously has an uphill struggle, depends how it's executed.
I'm saying the reasons you give, the costume, no built in audience, are your typical lame, not creative excuses, which have also been proven wrong by other successful franchises. That hopefully wouldn't sway a studio producer, director with a good vision.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Iron Man and Guardians certainly had FAR more of an audience than the Phantom after all this time. I never understood people saying that Iron Man was some sort of gamble. Sure, at the time he was no Supes, Batman, or Spiderman, but I always considered him extremely recognizable and quite popular. Maybe I was giving him too much credit at the time coming from the land of the nerds myself. And Guardians...by the time that dropped, the MCU could almost throw any turd they wanted at the screen and audiences would have eaten it up. We just got lucky it turned out really good being a truly creative director's passion project.

And this is a TERRIBLE example I know, and it's honestly KIND of a low blow, so...forgive me, but they already TRIED to update the Phantom, and we all saw how good that turned out. Yeah, yeah...it was probably the lowest budget sci fi piece of **** I've ever seen, and I'm PRETTY sure I've seen porns with higher production values AND certainly...better costumes, but my point is that it's been attempted. I warned you it was a low blow, and I feel like a dick even bringing it up but...yeah...I did apologize BEFOREHAND.

 

[Breogan]

... Iron Man was some sort of gamble. Sure, at the time he was no Supes, Batman, or Spiderman,

Yes it was a gamble. What part of that don't you get? Supes, Batman, & Spider-Man (add X-men) were exactly the bankable, recognition brands studios picked up. Hence rights went out.
What studio was asking for Blade, or Iron-Man? It took someone at Marvel with the vision too look past those bankable brands, to develop and gamble on their own lesser known properties in-house. Yes that was a gamble for them.
And that's exactly what caught WB completely with their pants down, as they were incapable of looking beyond the familiar Batman & Superman, and didn't take any of their lesser known properties seriously.
While Marvel forged ahead, doing exactly what you say they couldn't do, develop lesser known properties (Starting with Blade). To such success that Disney took notice, and outright bought their whole available library.

Everything Marvel had, even with the smallest audience (Ant-Man pun intended) was on the table.
Yet you sound like the unimaginative producers at WB, who didn't know what hit them, going
" You need an audience, I just don't think a large enough one exists to warrant spending the money." While Marvel already putting lesser known material out, forged ahead.

And this is a TERRIBLE example I know, and it's honestly KIND of a low blow, so...forgive me, but they already TRIED to update the Phantom, and we all saw how good that turned out. Yeah, yeah...it was probably the lowest budget sci fi piece of **** I've ever seen, and I'm PRETTY sure I've seen porns with higher production values AND certainly...better costumes, but my point is that it's been attempted. I warned you it was a low blow, and I feel like a dick even bringing it up but...yeah...I did apologize BEFOREHAND.

Your snickering that: "... point is that it's been attempted."
Might be the laziest, least imaginative point one could make.

Again you sound like the guy with zero vision once saying you can't ever reboot Batman after Schumacher.
Or the guy snickering that Daredevil could now never be done successfully, because "it's been attempted."
Yet it completely reinvented itself, to build from the ground up.

The Phantom would be a gamble and would take a strong vision, but hopefully the lazy, unimaginative thinking like yours isn't what sways a producer or director from revisiting it.
Or the Shadow or other pulp era heroes

 

[guitarsingerguy]

What part of that don't you get? Supes, Batman, & Spider-Man (add X-men) were exactly the bankable, recognition brands studios picked up. Hence rights went out.
It took someone at Marvel with the vision too look outside those bankable brands, to develop and gamble on their own lesser known brands. Yes that was a gamble for them.
And that's exactly what caught WB completely with their pants down, as they were incapable of looking beyond the familiar Batman & Superman, and didn't take any of their lesser known properties seriously.
While Marvel forged ahead, doing exactly what you say they didn't do, develop lesser known properties. To such success that Disney took notice, and outright bought their whole library.
Everything Marvel had, even with the smallest audience (Ant-Man pun intended) was on the table.
Yet you sound like the unimaginative producers at WB, who didn't know what hit them.

Dude...what the hell are you even talking about? No, I don't agree that Iron Man was that much of a "lesser known brand". I have always felt that with Marvel's catalog (and DC's honestly) that if you make a good movie, it's going to do well because, I'm sorry, I think Iron Man was a hell of a lot more recognizable than you're giving it credit for. And by the time they got to Guardians, they could put out whatever and it would have been good. I find it absolutely hilarious that I'm just like "the unimaginative producers at DC" because I don't think a couple of niche ass old school pulp characters have enough draw to be worthy of a film...The Phantom ESPECIALLY, and you're all butt hurt over it for some reason. It cracks me up. Im all for DC delving into brands that aren't Batman and Superman. I was all for the GL flick. Too bad it turned out to be a turd because I thought it was gonna be awesome. You're comparing apples and oranges. Out of the two we've been talking about, I even think The Shadow would be a more likely hit than the Phantom. I just think you hung your hat on a ****** property that I don't think works in today's atmosphere, nor do I think it will update well. It's as simple as that. Now let's just agree to disagree like I suggested before, so we don't have to keep repeating ourselves because neither of us is saying anything new.

 

[Airwings]

TV shows like Arrow and Daredevil is proof that it's possible to make low level crime fighters into successful properties. The world doesn't need to be at stake everytime a guy dresses up as a vigilante.
The Phantom can work today if treated seriously and not as a campy parody of a hero.

Show his origin (clash with pirates, the oath) then jump to modern day. Draw elements from Indiana Jones and Tarzan, but have the plot of the film to be up-to-date.
The atmosphere from Blood Diamond should be copied to make it serious.
Have Kit Walker be a really well-trained guy who can beat up criminals, just as Green Arrow and Daredevil do.

The suit would be a challange. I know.
Make it out of leather, but not too bulky.
It's almost impossible to create the right dark purple shade, it will always appear wrong in some way. Either it won't be dark enough, or it will be the wrong type of purple.
Dark blue would be better so let's go for that.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Forget a movie, I want to see a Netflix show on this character, and have a season length set in the past with struggle against Ebola.

 

[Airwings]

No, it should be a film, handled seriously. Unlike the 96 failure.

 

[heathjack]

did you know they did reboot the phantom? it was sevarl years on sfyf channel!! it was about the phantoms son taking over. but i didn't liked the costume or the movie! i thought it didn't have enough action in it!! they were going to make it out of TV show but the TV movie didn't do that well!! did you guys ever watch the cartoon the phantom 2040? I remmeber playing the game for Nintendo!! it was ok!

 

[Airwings]

did you know they did reboot the phantom? it was sevarl years on sfyf channel!! it was about the phantoms son taking over. but i didn't liked the costume or the movie!

I've seen it. It was awful, terrible, really bad.
The idea of Phantom wearing clunky armour is truly idiotic.

 

[Airwings]

A Phantom film could borrow elements from Zorro.

 

[MilkmanDan]

did you know they did reboot the phantom? it was sevarl years on sfyf channel!! it was about the phantoms son taking over. but i didn't liked the costume or the movie! i thought it didn't have enough action in it!! they were going to make it out of TV show but the TV movie didn't do that well!! did you guys ever watch the cartoon the phantom 2040? I remmeber playing the game for Nintendo!! it was ok!

I think I've seen that! Parkour Phantom! It was painfully bad.

 

[heathjack]

I got it used at mackeys. soon as i got it i took it back.it was horriable. it barley had any aciton in it & i didn't liked the way the phantom costume looked. does any one remmeber the phantom 2040 Anmited TV series? I don't remember much!! but i had the game for Nintendo!!

 

[Doctor Jones]

I watched the Billy Zane film last year and I was pleasantly surprised. It's actually good! Very enjoyable film, and probably my favorite of that post-Batman pulp adaptation era. The Rocketeer may have the best script and directing, but why I might prefer this is I really enjoyed Zane's performance the most. He's very earnest and charming and never losing sight of the fun of it.

 

[heathjack]

I agree that the rockteer & the phantom was the best super hero movies in the 1990s besides teeange mutant ninja turtlers! now i heard that there rebooting the roctkeer but its going to be an black girl in it! did you know there was rockteer on Disney channel ?it was computer Anmited & it was an girl!! it was ok i don't think it lasted long!!

 

[Breogan]

Still some hope, as always take for what it's worth :

Netflix Rumored to Be Developing New Series Based on THE PHANTOM — GeekTyrant

It looks like The Phantom might finally be getting another shot at live-action glory. A new rumor is spreading online claiming that Netflix is developing a series based on the classic comic strip hero. There’s no word yet on whether the project will be animated or live-action, but signs point to

geektyrant.com

A Long-Forgotten Classic Hero Is Reportedly Getting A Netflix Show

Is Netflix resurrecting this influential comic book hero for a new series?

www.cbr.com

 

[TheVileOne]

LOL, the source got deleted!

 

[Deck Rickard]

lol glad it was fake. There are some superhero characters that they need to just give up on. No one has cared about the Phantom since he was in a newspaper comic strip.