Kramer's A Racist!!!

Now, perhaps when I was younger, if someone called me nerd, dork, geek, or bookworm, I'd get upset and fight. This happened in grade school.

I then got older, realized that words are just that and do no harm at all. No one has died solely because someone called a word. Words are not bullets, knives, or any other weapon.

When I realized that, I just fluff 'em off and continue with my life.
 
Addendum said:
Now, perhaps when I was younger, if someone called me nerd, dork, geek, or bookworm, I'd get upset and fight. This happened in grade school.

I then got older, realized that words are just that and do no harm at all. No one has died solely because someone called a word. Words are not bullets, knives, or any other weapon.

When I realized that, I just fluff 'em off and continue with my life.

Right, but you being called a nerd or a dork didn't recall images of people who looked like you being lynched, persecuted, enslaved, and sprayed with water hoses...did it?

I know that you feel that a word shouldn't have that much power, but it does because of the legacy behind it.

What part of that don't you understand?
 
It's not that I think it shouldn't have that power, I think any word does not have that power.
 
Great...this thread discusses Kramer's racist tirade against blacks, and then it turns into a thread attacking affirmative action, harping slave reparations, and criticizing black culture. :up: Good job SHH!
 
Addendum said:
It's not that I think it shouldn't have that power, I think any word does not have that power.

Well, I disagree, and your semantics aren't really cute.

It's a verbalized sound like any other that the brain responds to. If negativity is attached to it the brain will respond negatively and the word is empowered.

For a simpler definition of what I mean read up on some dog pyschology...or human.
 
Addendum said:
Now, perhaps when I was younger, if someone called me nerd, dork, geek, or bookworm, I'd get upset and fight. This happened in grade school.

I then got older, realized that words are just that and do no harm at all. No one has died solely because someone called a word. Words are not bullets, knives, or any other weapon.

When I realized that, I just fluff 'em off and continue with my life.
This is probably the most ridiculous post in this whole thread.
 
jono11 said:
All white people benefit from the legacy of slavery. It's not your fault, but it is your responsibility to make it right, and until you do, you can shut the **** up and endure a couple of harmless jokes.

For proof of my point, see the thread about gay people being like black people.
I don't think my post comes anywhere close to being this ridiculous
 
You should the infamous IMDB boards. It's all out war on there over this thing. Basically all whites are honkeys and all blacks are apes. Ah, the internet.
 
Wow...thought this was actually going somewhere.

I'm outta five thousand!

That's ghetto ebonics for c-ya dude!
 
remember the episode where he got a really really dark tan, and it made him look black, lol
 
DocLathropBrown said:
I dunno if this means he's racist. Jerry Seinfeld is Jewish, after all. I think he lost all good judgement, though. The guy who heckled him was black and he probably had a bad day and wanted to really insult the guy back. Does it make it right? No. But I certainly don't think this makes him 100% racist, especially not since we all are racist to certain degrees. Everyone is, in every race, we all have reservations about other races.

Which is sad, because his career will really be over now. One bad day and a loss of judgement will ruin his life. All people will see is that he's racist. Being racist and saying racist things are two different things. Racist means you act on it constantly, and if he was racist, he wouldn't have worked with Jerry Seinfeld for nine years and be friends with him.

You can't really believe that a person just has to hate jews if they hate blacks? Racism is not an all or nothing deal...
 
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Addendum said:
Nope. Sorry.

My ancestors came to this country from Germany in 1872, and then settled in Kansas 4 years later.

The Civil War was over when they arrived.
Really? Are you Mennonite? My mother's family came over around that time, ended up in South Dakota for ahwile before settling here in Kansas. You still live here?

But anyway, the point is not whether your family participated in slavery. You benefit from slavery as a white person. So do I.
 
charl_huntress said:
Okay, here is my take.

Racial slurs only work if you give them power. I have had someone call me the n-word, but it was the biggest piece of trash walking the earth. Her calling me that word meant nothing because she was ignorant and it was obvious. A friend of mine was called that at work in a professional setting when the moment was really heated. She wasn't fazed either.

However, I think the word still "hits below the belt" for a lot of people because there are a lot of people out there who never say it to your face, but are racist behind your back. So, whenever you hear it likes a reminder that there are still folks out there who hate you for your skin color.
Good take on it.
 
jono11 said:
Really? Are you Mennonite? My mother's family came over around that time, ended up in South Dakota for ahwile before settling here in Kansas. You still live here?

But anyway, the point is not whether your family participated in slavery. You benefit from slavery as a white person. So do I.
No. I'm in Memphis.

So what is this mythical supposed benefits us honkies have?
 
Addendum said:
Now, perhaps when I was younger, if someone called me nerd, dork, geek, or bookworm, I'd get upset and fight. This happened in grade school.

I then got older, realized that words are just that and do no harm at all. No one has died solely because someone called a word. Words are not bullets, knives, or any other weapon.

When I realized that, I just fluff 'em off and continue with my life.
That's really easy for you to say. Try having people think you are out to destroy the world because of your father's religion. Words mean a few more things when you're different from the crowd.
 
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It's not that I think it shouldn't have that power, I think any word does not have that power.
It's really cool that a white Christian male can tell those who are different from him to buck up and quit whining about being persecuted.

Only that's not how it works. Persecution is in the eye of the victim.
 
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No. I'm in Memphis.

So what is this mythical supposed benefits us honkies have?
I'm not retyping everything, so I'll quote myself on the other thread.

jono11 said:
Are you white? Then you benefitted.

I'll explain it one more time. Read carefully.

After slavery, Reconstruction failed, leaving the black community basically as destitute as it had been before, but without the safety net of being provided for by a master. While in terms of liberty they were better off, they were actually less economically viable than they had been as slaves. This poverty fed on itself. Those with greater opportunity were able to get educations, while poor blacks were unable to do so. Blacks who had gained positions of power saw their numbers dwindle rapidly. By the Roaring Twenties, blacks were stuck in a cycle of poverty, wherein poverty guaranteed poor education, and poor education guaranteed poor employment, and poor employment guaranteed poverty, which guaranteed poor education for children, which guaranteed poor employment, which guaranteed poverty, which guaranteed poor education for children.

Desegregation took a step in the right direction, but it was incomplete. It meant blacks technically had equal opportunity, but they still didn't have a level playing field because the institution was still stacked against them, and they were no better off financially. The CIA's introduction of crack into the ghettos didn't help matters.

This brings us to today, where we find a destitute black community and a few lucky black individuals who benefit from affirmative action by virtue of being less poor than the rest. Their children, in turn, are less poor than the rest of the black community, so the same families benefit from affirmative action while the black community at large gets nothing.

Reparations would solve for that cycle of poverty by introducing money. Education provided by affirmative action would then ensure wise expenditures of the money, as would a structured reparations plan.

Do you get it yet?

So now we've established that blacks have suffered as a direct result of slavery, and continue to suffer TODAY RIGHT NOW THIS SECOND as a result of slavery. Yes! Amazingly, the past has an impact on the present! Who knew? While it may seem obvious, some of you ****in' morons seem to think that yesterday has no bearing on today.

So now let's move on to proving that not only do blacks suffer because of slavery, but whites benefit from slavery.

jono11 said:
Simple. There can't be a loser if there's no winner. Socio-economics is zero-sum. If one person has more socio-economic power and status, that means another has less. If one person has less, that means another has more.

That's why global equality only works if we not only work to bring up others' standard of living, but also lower ours...The proof? It is literally impossible to bring the rest of the world up to the standard of living that exists in the West. There are not enough resources. Since there a finite number of resouces, socio-economics are clearly zero-sum. Now that we've decided that, we can look back to my proof of minority suffering as a direct result of slavery, and realize that majority benefit as a direct result of slavery is the logical extension.

To sum:

1) Refer back to my proof of black suffering as a result of slavery, which persists today (cycle of poverty, etc.) You even agreed to this proof.

2) Refer to the fact that socio-economics are zero-sum. There is only so much money and resources in the world--if one person has more than the average, that means that another person has less than the average.

3) Since blacks have clearly been damaged by slavery, and continue to be damaged by slavery, it stands to reason that somebody was aided by it, and continues to be aided by it. That somebody can be no one but white people.

4) Therefore, it is proven that whites continue to benefit from the legacy of slavery, and blacks continue to be harmed by it.
 
WTF is this bull****! I dont care if your black, white, mexican, indian, asian, or whatever... A derogatory word like n***** is derogatory regardless of who says it. What Michael Richard said was just as bad as every single rapper who said the same word in their lyrics, or anyone else who's ever said it in that same context.
 
jono11 said:
It's really cool that a white Christian male can tell those who are different from him to buck up and quit whining about being persecuted.

Only that's not how it works. Persecution is in the eye of the victim.
I'm atheist.

As for your post with your supposed proof, I see no proof just meandering bull****, and bills for my student loans, electricity, water, heat, car insurance, and rent.

If I benefitted from something that happened before I was even born, and before my ancestors came to this country, then I'd be a lot better off.

Therefore, your supposed proof that whites benefit from slavery is void because 1) I'm white, and 2) I'm lower middle class and bust my ass to pay bills while the government takes a good chunk of my check.

Also, there is such as a thing as poor white people
 
Kurt Wagner said:
WTF is this bull****! I dont care if your black, white, mexican, indian, asian, or whatever... A derogatory word like n***** is derogatory regardless of who says it. What Michael Richard said was just as bad as every single rapper who said the same word in their lyrics, or anyone else who's ever said it in that same context.

The word inspires more virulence when uttered by someone of another race....because it's a racial slur to begin with. A black person calling another black person a "*****" has no meaning for them because it's not derogatory to begin with. It can actually be used as a term of endearment or greeting.

I hope you guys can see that difference, though I know it's hard.

Hey, as a side note question, are there any words that a minority could call a white person that WOULD offend you? Aside of course from common profanity and the like...I mean, do you have a trigger word?

Cracker? Is that one?

How about Honkey?

How about white trash? That one seems to get them all the time.

I'm not trying to be offensive. I'm asking what do you guys feel or associate with those words because that's what it is all about. I am not a ***** or ******, but if someone non-black calls me that you better be prepared because I will insult you back.

Anyway, hope a few folks can answer that since we are all playing Scrabble and semantics tonight:woot:

Addendum...why don't you play with me for a moment and see if I can tighten that loose screw in your mind.
 
Richards' actions give white people a bad name.

The audience members actions give black people a bad name.

Eh black,white,red,yellow: people are *******s no matter what.
 

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