Kramer's A Racist!!!

[Tangled Web]

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What the ****? Why are the N and K words censored but not spic? What happened to equality?

 

[charl_huntress]

It's a big deal because that type of behavior isn't excusable, but I am willing to give the guy a break. People aren't perfect, and we all make mistakes. My thing is have him own up to it by going on Apollo.

As for Mel and the Jew-hate he has going on. I think most of that comes from the Passion of the Christ.

I definitely believe that he was nursing some hate in his heart, and some Jewish people were nursing some hate as well because Mel did get death threats and all the like because of that movie.

Again, the behavior is not excusable, and that person needs to recognize that and attempt to make an amends.

Yet, I think if Richards had been conservative the response would have come from more "higher-ups" in the black community. So far very few aside from comedians are saying anything. Had he been a conservative guaranteed Jackson, Sharpton and all the rest would be yacking about it right now.

 

[terry78]

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What the ****? Why are the N and K words censored but not spic? What happened to equality?

Because those "eses" provide good tacos and lawn service.

 

[Red Mask]

So...how much do you think that Kramer painting and posters will be worth now?

 

[terry78]

So...how much do you think that Kramer painting and posters will be worth now?

To George Allen? Millions.

 

[Red Mask]

George Allen can buy it AND lick it for all I care.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

There's a K word?

 

[thedeadite]

yes there is....rhymes with a two wheeled vehicle.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

ooooh, right. I'm probably the only 20 year old that still uses jewed and cheated as synonyms. I heard it on a tolerance video we watched in junior high and it stuck.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't know how that guy can try to convince us he's not racist. Seriously. What an idiot. Too bad mel gibsen isn't black or we could stick them in a room together and let em go at it.

 

[Crowforge]

You can't or at least it woould take years.

 

[X-Punisher]

He used the N-word.

You mean the word white people dare not speak?!?!?

 

[Spade]

An excerpt from the MSN article:

Comic Paul Rodriguez, who was at the club, said he thought Richards' remarks crossed the line.

"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," he said.

Anyone else find this equally stupefying?

 

[terry78]

An excerpt from the MSN article:



Anyone else find this equally stupefying?

Why would it be? It's true.

 

[Spade]

Why would it be? It's true.

Do you feel that he is validated in such a remark in that people of the same race are allowed to use the word, or that there's a double standard (to clarify)?

 

[Crowforge]

what the 'don't happen to be african american' part? It sounds bad but I'd need to see the video to see what he meant by that.
And as far as I'm concerned there's no double standard, I have no respect for anyone using that word

 

[jono11]

Prove that a poor immigrant family from Germany, Italy, Ireland, Spain, Japan, China, or other countries benefitted from racism and that they reaped the benefit from something that happened BEFORE THEY ARRIVED.

I did, but nobody seems to be reading the actual theory of what I'm saying. Everybody just repeats, over and over again, "You think I benefit from slaves. My ancestors didn't own slaves. Therefore my family has never benefited from slavery," without every addressing the concepts of white privilege and institutional racism. The only two people that have even touched on them are USMC and the Nazi-trash. So since you're not reading the theories when I post them, how about checking out these links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege_(sociology)

These are both phenomena that trace back to slavery and the fallout from slavery, as well as Jim Crow. And they're things that the entire white community benefits from. Therefore, we owe a debt to those that have involuntarily sacrificed for our benefit.

As for reparations, it shouldn't be "everyone who is white pays". No. It should be based on genealogies that can prove that a family member in their past owed slaves. Those genealogies that show that a family immigrated to this nation after slavery was outlawed should be exempt from any reparations, since they had nothing to do with it.

It has nothing to do with who owned slaves. Slavery was just the beginning of the story of oppression.

 

[Darthphere]

Paul "Pepsi Has been" Rodriguez needs to shut the **** up.

 

[jono11]

I'm not going to go pay people or help them somehow if it takes food out of my own kids' mouths.

Classic unenlightened self-centered American thinking. Beautiful. "Screw everybody else, I ain't helpin' no one if it costs me anything!"

Reparations would begin equalization. They wouldn't even achieve equality, that would come from the follow-through of affirmative action. They wouldn't, however, equalize, much less tip the scales against you. Your kids would still eat.

I don't know my family's history, or when my line came to America, but I've never harmed anyone for race sake

Not consciously, not individually, but as a white person, as a member of the white community, you have benefited from the suffering of others. There is no disagreement among sociologists about this.

You people arguing that white privilege and institutional racism somehow don't exist are the sociological equivalent of creationists--arguing an archaic, offensive viewpoint that flies in the face of every shred of credible evidence.

 

[jono11]

So....are willing to accept Mel Gibson's apology? Mel had been drinking. But he never said that the booze did it!!

Mel Gibson makes anti-Semitic movies and his father is a Holocaust denier. No, I'm not ready to accept his apology. It was fake and scripted. Richards' apology was heartfelt, sincere, extemporaneous, confused, unsure, contrite, broken--in short, everything that celebrity apologies are not. I've never believed a celebrity apology in my life before, but I believe this one. And I'm only a mild Seinfeld fan.

 

[jono11]

That may have been the funniest stand up Michael Richards will ever do, certainly the most talked about anyway. I'm not racist but I couldn't help but laugh when he was screaming "LOOK THERES A N******!! A N*****!!!"

Yeah, me too. By the way, there's a Klan meeting down on 24th in a couple hours. Wanna go? Yeah? Maybe we could lynch a couple guys on the way, maybe throw a brick through a black dude's window, and then "not help but laugh" about it. Since racism's hilarious.

I said funniest as in Richards isn't funny in stand up. Not like its one of his all time greatest performances. Because he has none of those on stand up.

No, you said you laughed when he was screaming racial epithets. That means you thought it was funny.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Do you feel that he is validated in such a remark in that people of the same race are allowed to use the word, or that there's a double standard (to clarify)?

it's different. when Kramer used it, he was doing it for the sole purpose of implying that something was wrong with the guy for being black. As if being black was a bad thing.

when blacks say it to other blacks it's more like a brother thing. if a few white people were sitting around the house calling each other cracker it'd be the same way. kind of like a few guys sitting around who are the best of friends calling each other *****, and other names in a playful roughhousey sort of way.

It depends on the context and nature of the situation. That is not a double standard.

 

[jono11]

I think if he were conservative you'd all be racking him over the coals. The media is already trying to kill this story.....make it go away....down play his remarks.....

Oh, for Chrissake, what the **** is wrong with you? I don't even know his politics!

He throws in stuff that does make any sense........"hurricane Katrina"??? What???? So does he think that if shows that he's down wit' da black victims of that disaster we'll all just think what a great guy he is??

I think he was just acknowledging that it's a very tumultuous time in American race relations, and that this isn't a moment where the kind of thing he did can be tolerated, encouraged, or accepted.

Joan Rivers is still wishing death on Mel Gibson (conservative). And this guy has apologized too many times in my view!! Kramer was caught on tape!!

Gibson was caught by the cops. What, you think they ****in' made it up? I thought all you conservatives were copsniffers?

 

[blksuperman2]

This news is bananas. Michael Richards was my dude before this.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Mel Gibson makes anti-Semitic movies and his father is a Holocaust denier. No, I'm not ready to accept his apology. It was fake and scripted. Richards' apology was heartfelt, sincere, extemporaneous, confused, unsure, contrite, broken--in short, everything that celebrity apologies are not. I've never believed a celebrity apology in my life before, but I believe this one. And I'm only a mild Seinfeld fan.

How could you believe the Richards? Did you see the footage? There is no possible way he's not racist. He just kept going on and on. You don't say those things if your not racist. I agree Mel Gibsen's apology was fake. He is prejudiced, but he acted on it while drunk. Sometimes people can't help feeling that way because they felt it for so long, even though they know it's wrong and would never act on it. mel has prejudiced feelings, but I think he knows it's wrong. Most of his close friends are even jewish. Part of his family is even jewish.
Richard's wasn't even drunk. He was completely aware of what he was doing. He's totally racist and he knowingly chose to act on it.