KY Baptists sure have a convincing argument for coming to church.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/03/churches-guns-giveaway/5967533/

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — In an effort its spokesman has described as "outreach to rednecks," the Kentucky Baptist Convention is leading "Second Amendment Celebrations," where churches around the state give away guns as door prizes to lure in the unchurched in hopes of converting them to Christ.
As many as 1,000 people are expected at the next one, on Thursday at Lone Oak Baptist Church in Paducah, where they will be given a free steak dinner and the chance to win one of 25 handguns, long guns and shotguns.
The goal is to "point people to Christ," the church says in a flier. Chuck McAlister, an ex-pastor, master storyteller and former Outdoor Channel hunting show host who presides at the events as the Kentucky Baptist Convention's team leader for evangelism, said 1,678 men made "professions of faith" at about 50 such events last year, most in Kentucky.
In Louisville, he said, more than 500 people showed up on a snowy January day for a gun giveaway at Highview Baptist Church, and 61 made decisions to seek salvation.
McAlister's boss, Paul Chitwood, the Kentucky Baptist Convention's executive director, said such results speak for themselves. "It's been very effective," he said in an interview.
But other clergy question what guns and gun rights have to do with with sharing the Gospel.
"How ironic to use guns to lure men in to hear a message about Jesus, who said, 'Put away the sword,'" said the Rev. Joe Phelps, pastor of Louisville's independent Highland Baptist Church.
"Giveaways for God" seem wrong, he said. "Can you picture Jesus giving away guns, or toasters or raffle tickets? ... He gave away bread once, but that was as a sign, not a sales pitch."
Nancy Jo Kemper, pastor of New Union Church in Versailles, Ky., and former director of the Kentucky Council of Churches, said: "Churches should not be encouraging people in their communities to arm themselves against their neighbors, but to love their neighbors, as instructed by Jesus."
"Second Amendment Celebrations" in church make a "travesty" of that message, she said. "How terrible it would be if one of those guns given away at a church were to cause the death of an innocent victim."
McAlister, 60, who pastored churches in five states before taking on the role of traveling evangelist, concedes that neither guns nor gun rights are part of the Gospel. But he said he uses the love of guns and hunting in Kentucky as a "bridge to unchurched men so they will hear what we have to say."
'Outreach to rednecks'
is a way to attract people
In an article titled "God, guns and good ol' boys," Roger Alford, the Kentucky Baptist Convention's communication director, described McAlister's work as "outreach to rednecks."
McAlister, an avid hunter who owns more than 30 firearms, describes it as "affinity evangelism," in which preachers reach out to potential converts based on their common interest in a sport or hobby.
As a Christian, a native and current resident of Kentucky, and someone who is in the middle on the gun control debate, I have no words.
 
And how are they doing background checks?
 
Jesus of course was all about the weapons.
 
And how are they doing background checks?

It depends on state laws. They could require buyer's permits (which can only be attained with a background check) from the winners. Or they could do the actual handover of the firearm to the winner in the presence of a Licensed Firearm Dealer. Or they could be handleing it like a prvate sale. This is the most likely thing. Private sales in many states dont require background checks.

In NC, for instance, I could sell my pistol to my neighbor, and Im not reuqired to tell anyone, and he isnt required to get a background check or get a permit due to it being a private sell. Now, prudence and care, would compell me to notify law enforcement of the sell so that the gun's serial number isnt linked to me after the sell just in case my neighbor is a loon. But that's not something im legally required to do, and many people dont bother with it. Its not unusual for pistols to be resold many times and no law enforcement is ever notified. And its completely legal in some states. So when a gun turns up in a criminals hand it might be registered to an innocent person in another state who sold it years ago. This is why pistols are hard to keep track of.

'Murica! Booooo yaaaaa babaaaayyyy!!!
 
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Jesus of course was all about the weapons.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.
Give a man a semi-automatic rifle, he'll shoot up the pond of fish.
 
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.
Give a man a semi-automatic rifle, he'll shoot up the pond of fish.

or a church as it happen before
 
Handing guns away to strangers...what could go wrong? :whatever:

I'm heartened to see that many pastors interviewed were against the idea.
 
You may not be able to get a free lunch, but you can get a free gun in Kentucky.
 
The Lord giveth and the Lord bloweth away.

See? Here's someone who understands the reasoning. If God doesn't want you to get shot for possibly doing nothing at all then you'll be fine no matter what. Just ask how the safety works, k?
 
They could get bums to come too with some sandwiches and booze.
 
A New York is getting into the gun giveaway with an AR-15. The real gem is that "Our country was built with the King James Bible and the gun." :doh:

An upstate New York church is giving new meaning to the biblical passage, "My peace I give unto you."

In this case, it's a piece: an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Grace Baptist Church in Troy -- about two and half hours north of Manhattan -- is giving away the semi-automatic rifle as part of a special event honoring hunters and gun owners later this month. The church website entices gun lovers with the words "Win a Free AR-15" followed by the New Testament line.

The holder of the winning ticket will receive an AR-15 modified for sale in New York state.

"Does the Bible defend my right to keep and bear arms?" says a promotional flier on the church website.

In a letter to his congregation, Pastor John Koletas said: "Our country was built with the King James Bible and the gun."


The winner will be named during a March 23 service dedicated to "hunters and gun owners who have been so viciously attacked by the antichristian socialist media and antichristian socialist politicians the last few years."

New York Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin, a Republican, will speak at the service.

McLaughlin told CNN that the event complied with New York gun laws. He said that he speaks regularly at events supporting Second Amendment rights.

While the church venue for such an event may be unusual, McLaughlin said many upstate New York pastors carry guns. They are law-abiding, church-going citizens, he said.

Michael Collins, pastor of Brunswick Baptist Church in Troy, somewhat agreed with the legislator.

"It is not something that we would do," he said, "but we have plenty of gun owners in the church, and it is our constitutional right to do so."

It is not uncommon for churches to host "outdoorsmen" events and give away guns, Collins said.

To qualify to win the AR-15, one has to be 18 or older, have a driver's license and be able to pass a background check to buy a gun, according to the pastor's letter.

The church reserves the right to disqualify anyone it deems of "questionable character" from winning the rifle, according to the letter.

Oakwood Trading Post, a local gun store, will conduct a background check on the winner before turning over the rifle, according to the store's owner, Brian Olesen.

The AR-15, valued at $700, was purchased by Grace Baptist and is being held at the gun store, Olesen said.

The semi-automatic rifle has a 10-round magazine capacity, and the trigger must be activated for every shot fired, Olesen said.

In 2013, a federal court ruled that a New York gun law restricting the sale of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines was constitutional.

The law was passed after the mass shooting at a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school.

Armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, gunman Adam Lanza killed 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, before taking his own life. Earlier, he had killed his mother inside their home.

Grace Baptist Church and Koletas did not return calls seeking comment.
 

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