Lazy Bat Artists

[T'Jai]

There has been an argument about the veracity of a claim made by a poster I personally know very well. The art in question was indeed stolen. I have seen the originals. As to why it happened, We fans may find it hard to believe but sometimes they just don't feel like coming up with and puting together another take on an old Icon. With that having been stated It was never stated or suggested that JC was incapable of producing the work in question just that in this instance he hadn't. I was around the work space of the Artist when the plagurization was discovered and as said individual is quite passionate about his work the theft was the cause of a great deal of irritation, Especially considering JC was given the works (yes there was more than 1 pic) because he professed that he was a fan and wished copies for personal enjoyment.
Before the editors stepped in the key piece showing that style costume was a traced drawing of WAMS art not just a design copy. Which wouldn't have been nearly as offensive. JC found a drawing he liked and traced it for his own book instead of putting in the time it would take to come up with it himself, not that he couldn't, he didn't. If it was some hack that was incapable of putting the work together it would have also been less offensive. How one can draw the "logical" conclusion that the theft of one piece of art is impossible if one is a capable artist is laughable, as is that one instance of theft cans be used as the basis to judge all of said artists work. At the time this took place JC was unaware of the level and number of WAMS connections, he was under the impression that the theft would go unnoticed by anyone able to generate trouble about it.
I believe that clears up the back story addressing all points without getting emotional or name calling feel free to respond in kind or if you want to dance the verbs I always appreciate a target...
T

 

[Joker]

what the hell are you babbling about?

 

[Mee]

what the hell are you babbling about?

Big deal in the favorite Bat pics thread about John Cassaday suposedly copying a poster named Wams Batman pics.

 

[Joker]

and this solves that how? it's not as if the poster couldnt have made another account, or have one of his friends do it...do we have any proof that Cassaday stole it? sounds like bs to me

 

[Mee]

and this solves that how? it's not as if the poster couldnt have made another account, or have one of his friends do it...do we have any proof that Cassaday stole it? sounds like bs to me

I guess the proof is suposed to be T'Jai's post. I'm not sayin it's all one big Cassaday bashing lie, I just find it hard to believe a great artist like him would do something like that. If it was Liefield we were talking about, I'd buy it.

 

[Joker]

no, I dont think anyone else but Leifield could draw anything horrible enough for him to get away with stealing...people would be like "hey, this doesnt suck, there's no way he actually did this"

 

[ampersand]

There has been an argument about the veracity of a claim made by a poster I personally know very well. The art in question was indeed stolen. I have seen the originals. As to why it happened, We fans may find it hard to believe but sometimes they just don't feel like coming up with and puting together another take on an old Icon. With that having been stated It was never stated or suggested that JC was incapable of producing the work in question just that in this instance he hadn't. I was around the work space of the Artist when the plagurization was discovered and as said individual is quite passionate about his work the theft was the cause of a great deal of irritation, Especially considering JC was given the works (yes there was more than 1 pic) because he professed that he was a fan and wished copies for personal enjoyment.
Before the editors stepped in the key piece showing that style costume was a traced drawing of WAMS art not just a design copy. Which wouldn't have been nearly as offensive. JC found a drawing he liked and traced it for his own book instead of putting in the time it would take to come up with it himself, not that he couldn't, he didn't. If it was some hack that was incapable of putting the work together it would have also been less offensive. How one can draw the "logical" conclusion that the theft of one piece of art is impossible if one is a capable artist is laughable, as is that one instance of theft cans be used as the basis to judge all of said artists work. At the time this took place JC was unaware of the level and number of WAMS connections, he was under the impression that the theft would go unnoticed by anyone able to generate trouble about it.
I believe that clears up the back story addressing all points without getting emotional or name calling feel free to respond in kind or if you want to dance the verbs I always appreciate a target...
T

Hello, Wams.

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't mess with this Wams. I think its all bull too. Looked what he PM'd me.

Don't you EVER talk to me or about me on
these boards again.
I never disrespected you.
How do you think you are.
Im the wrong guy to piss off.
I never intended for some dumb ass 16 year olds
to drag on this crap for page after page.
I was pointing out a FACT that Cassaday is
a rip-off artist and stole my art.... Period!

Apparently, he's the wrong guy to piss off.

 

[ToddIsDead]

"I'm the wrong guy to piss off."

Sounds like a threat to me.

 

[T'Jai]

http://www.myspace.com/goldize

have a good look at me, Notice the complete lack of any reference to any artistic claims, also take note of the completely different writing styles that Wams and I have...

"The Joker" this doesn't concern you so move on...

"Mee" I understand your skepticism in such a case, and not having access to all the original work I cannot offer physical proof or I would, what I am giving you is an account of the activity that took place devoid of any emotional ties to color my responses, If you have honestly never run into a talented person that has taken claims for someone else's work or ideas than I say congratulations, I wish I had your luck with aquaintences...

"Ampersand" go take a look at who you're dealing, with if you have an account feel free to message me concerning the matter there or or reply or PM me here if you wish

"Fledermaus" I actually agree with the content of the message you left but the tone was unnecessarily disrespectful, so I can understand why a PM was sent in response. might I suggest you merely leave Wams alone...

I will state talent does not= integrity we all know talented people who occasionally take "short cuts" when they think it will go unnoticed. The celebrity and sports world is rocked with scandles everyday, those that go on in the world of comics get little press, but I think anyone who denies that they happen is overestimating human nature

 

[ampersand]

Hahahahahaha

 

[T'Jai]

Hahahahahaha

very astutely put, happy to have your insightful and witty comentary on the matter...

 

[ampersand]

very astutely put, happy to have your insightful and witty comentary on the matter...

You're welcome.

Seriously though, these claims have NO backing other than you and Wams saying they are true. I say again, show us a scan of the preview were the stolen art was used or shut up.

btw, That myspace page did nothing to prove that you aren't Wams.

 

[Mee]

If it is true, it is kinda a crappy deal for Wams. To get your art ripped off and get no credit. But look on the bright side, one of comics top artists liked your work enough to call it his own.

 

[T'Jai]

Seriously though, these claims have NO backing other than you and Wams saying they are true. I say again, show us a scan of the preview were the stolen art was used or shut up.

btw, That myspace page did nothing to prove that you aren't Wams.

I have already stated I don't currently have a copy if i did you'd be looking at it I will be seeking one out though...

I made an xtra thread to discuss the matter, don't like it don't read it.
I'll discuss the matter whomever wishes to don't like it?

Piss off.

anybody keep back issues of previews lying around??

but now you know who I am. I'm putting my chin out where my mouth spout's. If you are incapable of noticing obvious differences in our writing patterns ...it's on you

I AM a friend of Wams and a witness to the event that is the whole purpose of me posting and since I felt no need to hijack a thread voila!

"Mee" well since it was changed no credit is due but if somebody did that to me I'd be livid
Wams is pretty well known to the editors of many companies he's been at it for a while...

 

[cass]

The only thing you have are your claims and your idiotic threats. John Cassady owns your ass. From one dick to another, let me tell you, you're not going to get any sympathy.

 

[T'Jai]

The only thing you have are your claims and your idiotic threats. John Cassady owns your ass. From one dick to another, let me tell you, you're not going to get any sympathy.

WHO in the Blue HELL are you??

Please by all means quote these alleged threats...

Shush little one, If you can't at least attempt to discuss a matter in a moderately civil tone as have (mostly) all before you on this thread, go back to whining about political policy before you actually gain my attention...

 

[Motown Marvel]

yeah, i say unless you have scans of the alleged original Wams art, and comparison pics of the alleged cassaday stolen art....then you aint got s#!t and mind as well keep to yourself on the matter because no one gives a f**k. oh, and you'd also need proof that the wams' art was drawn before cassaday's....so dont run off trying to copy one of cass' drawings....

p.s. cassaday rules.

 

[cass]

WHO in the Blue HELL are you??

Please by all means quote these alleged threats...

Shush little one, If you can't at least attempt to discuss a matter in a moderately civil tone as have (mostly) all before you on this thread, go back to whining about political policy before you actually gain my attention...

Very civil there, bub.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wow......this stupid prank of Wams has gone too far.......

 

[T'Jai]

"Motown Marvel" if you don't give a f**k why are you posting here??

I believe that clears up the back story addressing all points without getting emotional or name calling feel free to respond in kind, or if you want to dance the verbs I always appreciate a target...
T

Cass you get what you bring

 

[Wams]

Don't mess with this Wams. I think its all bull too. Looked what he PM'd me.


Apparently, he's the wrong guy to piss off.

Do you no the purpose of a PM D!CKHEAD?

 

[Wams]

Wow......this stupid prank of Wams has gone too far.......

THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

[Wams]

This has gone on to way much.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

C'mon.....this is some stupid prank......but now, you've just gone too far.

Cassidy is the mother****ing man.....