Legends of Tomorrow Legends of Tomorrow General Discussion - Part 2

[Dark Raven]

Interesting, and I'm wondering who, cause most of them have the potential to turn bad - all for different reasons.

Zari may still not have truly found piece with her brother.
Sara may still have darkness within her.
Nate may wish to change time to be with Amaya.
Amaya may wish to change time to be with Nate.
Mick, well, he's kinda an antihero anyway, but he's come a long way.

Wally, and probably Ray are the only ones I couldn't see going darkside... Maybe John (Constantine) will be corrupted, especially if it enables him to rescue the soul of that young girl he lost.

Ray could go dark because he's been hanging out with Nora too long.

There's always Ava too. Or we could get Rip coming back being evil now.

Amaya had trouble controlling the totem beasts at the start of season 3. Maybe they take her over completely?

Sara could go bad too.

They didn't say if any of these Legends would permanently turn evil, just that they would. Maybe it could be for a few episodes or most of the season, but are rescued in the end. That could be the season arc.

 

[Derrick]

The Atom was underused in the season finale. If he shrunk down to subatomic size he probably could have entered Mallus via the ears/nostrils and killed him from within...and they could still have Beebo involved as a distraction.

 

[Lencho01]

Brandon Routh breaks down the Legends of Tomorrow Season 3 finale and reveals his Season 4 wishes

 

[Pennywise]

Any word on how Constantine will fit into Legends of Tomorrow next season? —Greg
The more pressing question may be how he fits into the Waverider, if at all. “I don’t know if I want to see John Constantine actually having to live on the ship, because he seems a little cooler than that,” says Legends EP Phil Klemmer. “I like the idea that he’s a bit of a lone wolf, so we’ll have to figure out where exactly he’s going to live. Like, what would his room even look like? I think he’s a bit too cool for school [to live on the Waverider], in a good way.”

http://tvline.com/2018/05/02/lucifer-season-3-spoilers-deaths/

 

[Slick]

That’s interesting.

 

[Lencho01]

‘Legends of Tomorrow’ Season 4 Will Tackle “Fugitive” Magical Creatures

After defeating the demon Mallus by cuddling him to death with a giant stuffed animal named Beebo, the Legends are ready to ease off the gas. Sara (Caity Lotz) and her team join Ava Sharpe (Jes Macallan) and the Time Bureau to help clean up the last few remaining anachronisms. The job seems straightforward enough until Constantine (Matt Ryan) arrives to inform them that, in solving one major problem, they have created another, much larger one. When the Legends let time crumble in order to release and defeat Mallus, the barrier between worlds softened. History is now infected with “Fugitives” – magical creatures from myths, fairytales, and legends. Having been expelled throughout time by people like Constantine, these Fugitives are now returning to our world in droves and making a real mess of things. As the Time Bureau is distrustful of and ill-equipped to deal with magic, the Legends must team up with everyone’s favorite demonologist to set history back on track.

Sara and Constantine are joined by compassionate inventor Ray Palmer (Brandon Routh), hotheaded ex-con Mick Rory (Dominic Purcell), rebellious totem-bearer Zari (Tala Ashe), and heartbroken historian-turned-superhero Nate (Nick Zano) as they set out to save the world – and their legacy. It’s the familiar fun of the Legends time-travelling across historical events and encountering famous figures with an added shot of magical craziness! Based on the characters from DC, DC’S LEGENDS OF TOMORROW is from Bonanza Productions Inc. in association with Berlanti Productions and Warner Bros. Television, with executive producers Greg Berlanti (“Arrow,” “The Flash,” “Supergirl”), Phil Klemmer (“The Tomorrow People,” “Chuck”) and Sarah Schechter (“Arrow,” “The Flash”).

 

[Flash525]

No mention of Amaya up there, and yet she was stated to return? I'm therefore wondering if it's more a one or two parter for her. That said, there's no mention of Wall West either, and I was almost certain he'd be a fully incorporated member of the team when we saw him next!

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, Ava's not mentioned either, even though we know she was bumped up to a regular, so who knows? Could come out later.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well, Ava's not mentioned either, even though we know she was bumped up to a regular, so who knows? Could come out later.

She's mentioned right there at the start:

Sara (Caity Lotz) and her team join Ava Sharpe (Jes Macallan) and the Time Bureau to help clean up the last few remaining anachronisms.

 

[jolldan]

So who else thought the Bebo vs. Mallus final showdown was possibly the most ridiculous thing in the show's history?

Not hating I actually enjoyed it just remember sitting saying to myself "this definitely wouldn't work in any other show lol"

 

[Flash525]

So who else thought the Bebo vs. Mallus final showdown was possibly the most ridiculous thing in the show's history?

Not hating I actually enjoyed it just remember sitting saying to myself "this definitely wouldn't work in any other show lol"

I did say 'oh for goodness sake' to myself when it happened, and you're right, had this of been any other CWDC show it would have been well out of place.

As we're very aware though, Legends knows no to take itself very seriously.

 

[jolldan]

I did say 'oh for goodness sake' to myself when it happened, and you're right, had this of been any other CWDC show it would have been well out of place.

As we're very aware though, Legends knows no to take itself very seriously.

Yeah a little part of me hoped it would be Voltron they transformed in to lol since they'd talked about it in that episode but the copyright issues would be a nightmare.

Can't wait for season 4. I expect many epic back and fourths with Constantine & Mick.

 

[NotNickFury]

Confirmed- Wally is no longer a series regular for Legends:

http://tvline.com/2018/06/05/legends-of-tomorrow-season-4-keiynan-lonsdale-leaving-series-regular/

Legends Season 4: Keiynan Lonsdale Not Returning as Series Regular

TVLine has learned that Keiynan Lonsdale will not be returning to DC’s Legends of Tomorrow as a series regular for Season 4.

As previously reported, both Matt Ryan (as Constantine) and Jes Macallan (Ava) have been promoted to series regulars for the coming season.

With Wally thus alive and well, the door of course remains open for Lonsdale to return to Legends in the future (so to speak), as needed.

 

[Dark Raven]

So where is he now? He wasn't exactly a regular for very long. He was more like a guest star.

I guess he has nowhere to go now then. He's not needed on the Flash nor on Legends. What will they say is the reason for him not joining them anymore?

 

[Primal Slayer]

So where is he now? He wasn't exactly a regular for very long. He was more like a guest star.

I guess he has nowhere to go now then. He's not needed on the Flash nor on Legends. What will they say is the reason for him not joining them anymore?

He is MIA, living his life. But this pisses me off. They screwed the character over on 2 shows in 1 year! And now he gets dumped from both.

Not cool.

 

[proteus]

He is MIA, living his life. But this pisses me off. They screwed the character over on 2 shows in 1 year! And now he gets dumped from both.

Not cool.

I doubt Legends dumped him. This must be his choice IMO. Phil Klemmer & everyone at Legends was very excited about him joining the show.

 

[Flash525]

Well that's unfortunate!! I thought he worked well on Legends and was going to be there full time. I can only conclude that this was his decision? Maybe he's got a (similar) deal to Katie Cassidy and Wentworth Miller? The opportunity to show up on Legends or Flash when the plot suits..?

 

[eon001]

He is MIA, living his life. But this pisses me off. They screwed the character over on 2 shows in 1 year! And now he gets dumped from both.

Not cool.

Seems like he left on his own accord, which actually pisses me off for different reasons.
https://screenrant.com/legends-tomorrow-flash-keiynan-lonsdale-exit/

Feels like he's having 1st world Hollywood problems. There's a young actor that would kill at an opportunity he seems to have flushed down the the toilet.

Hope they just recast. There might be a Wally in a different universe they can swap out.

 

[Flash525]

Seems like he left on his own accord, which actually pisses me off for different reasons.
https://screenrant.com/legends-tomorrow-flash-keiynan-lonsdale-exit/

Feels like he's having 1st world Hollywood problems. There's a young actor that would kill at an opportunity he seems to have flushed down the the toilet.

Is this really any different from what happened with Colton on Arrow?

Hope they just recast. There might be a Wally in a different universe they can swap out.

If we've learnt anything from the multiverse (thus far) it's that people who are named the same, usually are the same. I suppose the only exception (to date) is Jay Garrick, but everyone else we've met has been a doppleganger. In any case, I don't think they need to recast him - it's not as if they knew what to do with the character anyway, so leaving him out (for now) might be the better idea.

 

[eon001]

Is this really any different from what happened with Colton on Arrow?

Yea I guess it's the same thing as Colton. But didn't they give Keiynan enough time to go "soul searching"? He had a break from Flash. Seemed to come back ready to go, and now he want's to have another break? I think it's unfair on the writers of the show.

I don't mean to be an insensitive a$$hole, but it just wreaks of rich people Hollywood issues.

If we've learnt anything from the multiverse (thus far) it's that people who are named the same, usually are the same. I suppose the only exception (to date) is Jay Garrick, but everyone else we've met has been a doppleganger. In any case, I don't think they need to recast him - it's not as if they knew what to do with the character anyway, so leaving him out (for now) might be the better idea.

t:

Either way, if they can't replace Wally, I would throw Jessie Quick in as a replacement speedster on Legends.

 

[Flash525]

Yea I guess it's the same thing as Colton. But didn't they give Keiynan enough time to go "soul searching"? He had a break from Flash. Seemed to come back ready to go, and now he want's to have another break? I think it's unfair on the writers of the show.

I thought his initial break was at the writers choice (because they didn't know what to do with him - rather than his request?)

Either way, if they can't replace Wally, I would throw Jessie Quick in as a replacement speedster on Legends.

Hah, there's a chance, yeah, especially when you consider (in the comics) there's two Wally's; one black and one white, so they could go there if they wanted too. There's nothing to suggest that on a different Earth Barry marries Patty who has a brother named Wally (etc)?

In any case, Legends could certainly use a Speedster, although if not Wally, I don't know who. I'd have suggested Jay (if he wasn't due to retire) or maybe the young Speedster he's training, but then I suppose they'd want to stick to their Earth for that. I doubt it'll be Jessie - pretty sure the actress is involved in other projects.

I suppose what they could do is, once her mistake has been resolved, is to have Future Nora join the Legends? Jessica Parker Kennedy from what I'm aware tends to stick with shows she's apart of, so if they're looking to keep the character around, and she's happy to remain, it's a win-win. Be easy enough to drop her off in her own time once all is said and done too.

 

[eon001]

I thought his initial break was at the writers choice (because they didn't know what to do with him - rather than his request?)

I think it was a little bit of both creative issues and his own personal life. Either way I hope he figures things out and finds happiness regardless.

You couldn't find a more supportive environment for an LGBTQ actor than the Berlanti U.

He'll be in for a quite an awakening when he looks for more roles outside of Flash. I feel bad for the kid because he probably doesn't realize the opportunity he's missed by ditching this role.

 

[Flash525]

I think it was a little bit of both creative issues and his own personal life. Either way I hope he figures things out and finds happiness regardless.

You couldn't find a more supportive environment for an LGBTQ actor than the Berlanti U.

He'll be in for a quite an awakening when he looks for more roles outside of Flash. I feel bad for the kid because he probably doesn't realize the opportunity he's missed by ditching this role.

Heh, I didn't even know he came out (Keiynan that is, I already know about Colton).

 

[eon001]

Heh, I didn't even know he came out (Keiynan that is, I already know about Colton).

Yea he came out during his Wally's limbo. I just assumed it was all related.
He talks about it on the LGBT WB panel.
Around the 7:30 mark he even makes a joke about being the only gay guy on the panel that's playing a straight guy, while the straight actors are all playing LGBT characters.
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[batdude]

I think it was a little bit of both creative issues and his own personal life. Either way I hope he figures things out and finds happiness regardless.

You couldn't find a more supportive environment for an LGBTQ actor than the Berlanti U.

He'll be in for a quite an awakening when he looks for more roles outside of Flash. I feel bad for the kid because he probably doesn't realize the opportunity he's missed by ditching this role.

Yup, you know, He was better on LOT than Flash, but he's throwing away something good here. They put him on two shows and a movie. That kind of luck doesn't grow on trees