Leia's Lounge - Part 196

[ComicChick]

If you are interested in the differences between the original theatrical versions, the 1997 special editions, and the 2004 dvd editions here are exhaustive lists with screencaps of the changes:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-two.html

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-three.html

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html


The 2011 blu-rays also changed some stuff:

http://movieweb.com/star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-changes-revealed/

Lawd. Thank you. I got a set from movie stop so I need to see which one I have
It's a big blu ray set with the kids from turbo man on the box

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Lawd. Thank you. I got a set from movie stop so I need to see which one I have
It's a big blu ray set with the kids from turbo man on the box

Jake Lloyd? Those are likely the Prequels.

 

[flickchick85]

Lawd. Thank you. I got a set from movie stop so I need to see which one I have
It's a big blu ray set with the kids from turbo man on the box

Burn it.

 

[Marvolo]

Lawd. Thank you. I got a set from movie stop so I need to see which one I have
It's a big blu ray set with the kids from turbo man on the box

That's the 2011 blu-ray release.

All blu-ray releases of the original trilogy that have come out since 2011 have just been the same discs that were in the 2011 release repackaged with new cover art.

 

[Perfect Cell]

This one?

 

[Roose Bolton]

The TBC Review Discussion should be up before week's end along with our SW final part retrospective.

Let me ask you Roose, did you want more of the internal politics of the Rebel Alliance?

[BLACKOUT]From the singling out of Saw as an "extremist" to that general taking Cassian aside and telling him that his extraction mission was actually about killing the target I REALLY liked this aspect of RO but do wish there was more meat on the bone so to speak. I would easily have eliminated say Baz, to give more time to this facet of the story. [/BLACKOUT]

Thoughts?

I absolutely agree. I'm all about adding another layer of morality to the SW universe, so Saw Gerrera and his Partisans were probably my favourite element that Rogue One introduced into the films. The stuff with Cassian kind of reminded me of the French resistance from Nazi occupied Paris and Saw....well a buddy of mine made a strong argument for the Partisans being the SW equivilant to the mujahideen. Getting into the nitty gritty of the war is definitely something I wish we could have gotten more of.

 

[ComicChick]

Jake Lloyd? Those are likely the Prequels.

No it has all six
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-The-Complete-Saga-Blu-ray/14903/

 

[flickchick85]

Ok if that's the one, I take it back.

 

[Reek]

truth be told you may as well skip star wars all together... it's overrated and its best movie just came out.

*shots fired*

 

[Marvolo]

Jake Lloyd? Those are likely the Prequels.

It's this set that came out in 2011:

 

[ComicChick]

This one?

Yes

 

[jokesonm3]

Did a quick heroic emerald nightmare run... forgot to buy a flask

woops.

 

[ComicChick]

Ok if that's the one, I take it back.

Haha

 

[ComicChick]

I'm going to bed y'all. Have a good one.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Did a quick heroic emerald nightmare run... forgot to buy a flask

woops.

I don't know what these words mean together. It's like a form of Aphasia.

 

[flickchick85]

Did a quick heroic emerald nightmare run... forgot to buy a flask

woops.

Is this a product of one of those gibberish generators?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I absolutely agree. I'm all about adding another layer of morality to the SW universe, so Saw Gerrera and his Partisans were probably my favourite element that Rogue One introduced into the films. The stuff with Cassian kind of reminded me of the French resistance from Nazi occupied Paris and Saw....well a buddy of mine made a strong argument for the Partisans being the SW equivilant to the mujahideen. Getting into the nitty gritty of the war is definitely something I wish we could have gotten more of.

Spoiler

Yeah, Ed asked me what that ambush Saw's men pulled off reminded me of and there was no way around making the comparison to the post September 2001 world of American Military Occupation across the globe.

I do think that if there were two problems the film had it was that the characters were a bit thin, not terribly so but they could have made backgrounds and motivations have more texture, and the second is that they raise the question about Saw being too extreme but we don't particularly have it spelled out exactly what they mean by that. Nothing Saw did in the film was totally over the line given the situation. I think that maybe this was the real bone of contention when it came to doing re-shoots for the film. I wouldn't doubt that lots of Saw stuff ended up on the cutting room floor out of fear of how it could color the mass audience's views on the "Good Guys".

 

[jokesonm3]

I don't know what these words mean together. It's like a form of Aphasia.

Is this a product of one of those gibberish generators?

Oh nothing, just me summoning a dreadlord. Carry on.

Spoiler

Was secretly seeding out all the hidden World of Warcraft players of hype.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm going to bed y'all. Have a good one.

'Nite CC. I should really turn in as well.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Spoiler

Yeah, Ed asked me what that ambush Saw's men pulled off reminded me of and there was no way around making the comparison to the post September 2001 world of American Military Occupation across the globe.

I do think that if there were two problems the film had it was that the characters were a bit thin, not terribly so but they could have made backgrounds and motivations have more texture, and the second is that they raise the question about Saw being too extreme but we don't particularly have it spelled out exactly what they mean by that. Nothing Saw did in the film was totally over the line given the situation. I think that maybe this was the real bone of contention when it came to doing re-shoots for the film. I wouldn't doubt that lots of Saw stuff ended up on the cutting room floor out of fear of how it could color the mass audience's views on the "Good Guys".

I always thought it was the [BLACKOUT]alien tentacle mind probe torture bit[/BLACKOUT] that was supposed to show what the Alliance balked at. But even that's a bit flimsy, because they were actively sending out [BLACKOUT]assassins[/BLACKOUT]. I can't really see one being better or worse than the other.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Spoiler

Yeah, Ed asked me what that ambush Saw's men pulled off reminded me of and there was no way around making the comparison to the post September 2001 world of American Military Occupation across the globe.

I do think that if there were two problems the film had it was that the characters were a bit thin, not terribly so but they could have made backgrounds and motivations have more texture, and the second is that they raise the question about Saw being too extreme but we don't particularly have it spelled out exactly what they mean by that. Nothing Saw did in the film was totally over the line given the situation. I think that maybe this was the real bone of contention when it came to doing re-shoots for the film. I wouldn't doubt that lots of Saw stuff ended up on the cutting room floor out of fear of how it could color the mass audience's views on the "Good Guys".

It's very possible. He was a character that Kathy Kennedy kept bringing up as someone they wanted to revisit because they didn't get to use him as much as they planned. So perhaps it was the reshoots that left them in an awkward place. I know that Rebels is apparently going to set up some of Saw's more....unsavoury actions. [blackout] He uses Geonosian offspring as hostages in the later half of season 3. [/blackout]

Hopefully they reuse whatever cut material they have, repurpose it for books or the like.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

Yeah, Ed asked me what that ambush Saw's men pulled off reminded me of and there was no way around making the comparison to the post September 2001 world of American Military Occupation across the globe.

I do think that if there were two problems the film had it was that the characters were a bit thin, not terribly so but they could have made backgrounds and motivations have more texture, and the second is that they raise the question about Saw being too extreme but we don't particularly have it spelled out exactly what they mean by that. Nothing Saw did in the film was totally over the line given the situation. I think that maybe this was the real bone of contention when it came to doing re-shoots for the film. I wouldn't doubt that lots of Saw stuff ended up on the cutting room floor out of fear of how it could color the mass audience's views on the "Good Guys".

Saw strikes me as an "Ends justify the means." sort of guy so I could totally see him sacrificing civilians if he thought it was necessary. He didn't seem to give a damn about civilians when his crew hit that squad of troopers and their tank. And the film showed us that he isn't opposed to torture of a sort. My guess is Saw and his crew are the equivalent of the real-life goons that would rendition people and haul them off to black sites and torture them during the Bush years with some real world terrorist tactics thrown in the mix. Real brutal guerilla warfare stuff with little remorse for the enemy.

If that's the sort of man he is it's no wonder Mom Mothma and the Rebellion can't associate with him. It could cost them important supporters that don't want to associate with a group that associates with a man like Saw. Plus a man and crew like that are could be hard to control.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I always thought it was the [BLACKOUT]alien tentacle mind probe torture bit[/BLACKOUT] that was supposed to show what the Alliance balked at. But even that's a bit flimsy, because they were actively sending out [BLACKOUT]assassins[/BLACKOUT]. I can't really see one being better or worse than the other.

[BLACKOUT]Those are my thoughts as well. The mind probe thing having bad side effects was about the only thing that made Saw seem a bit more ruthless but not really all that much so. They should have had some background about how bad Saw has been ****ed over by the Empire, physically and spriritually. Then Saw needed to do something truly terrible, like kidnap a family member of an Imperial or something, to get them to do some task to benefit Saw's group. Or they needed to show that Mon Mothma's group, as illustrated by that general giving Cassian his actual orders, that the Rebellion was having priority issues. Like, they deal with Saw in a cut throat manner because he's bad PR for the Alliance but they aren't sure how to proceed against the Empire in a similar way. I mean, in RO they even still seem to think that they can bring Palpatine to Justice via the legal system of the Empire. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can't remember if it was the novel "Bloodline" or something else, but there was a novel that made mention of how Saw's actions were so brutal in their attacks that the Empire was actually able to create a fairly decent propaganda campaign against the Rebel Alliance purely out of depicting the Partisans as bloodthirsty anarchists.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I can't remember if it was the novel "Bloodline" or something else that made mention of how Saw's actions were so brutal in their attacks that the Empire was actually able to create a fairly decent propaganda campaign against the Rebel Alliance purely out of depicting the Partisans as bloodthirsty anarchists.

Now see THAT is exactly what I think would have benefited the movie, as much as I liked it.