Endgame Let’s talk the T word (SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[TheVileOne]

Considering they went the whole branching timeline route, that means in their present timeline Steve wouldn't be able to go back in time, live with Peggy, and then grow old to meet Falcon on the bench. That is unless he time traveled back to the moment right after he left, which conceivably could've done whenever he wanted and wouldn't have had to wait until he grew old.

Yeah it is a little iffy, but whatever. Not going to agonize over it.

 

[gohei_]

Considering they went the whole branching timeline route, that means in their present timeline Steve wouldn't be able to go back in time, live with Peggy, and then grow old to meet Falcon on the bench. That is unless he time traveled back to the moment right after he left, which conceivably could've done whenever he wanted and wouldn't have had to wait until he grew old.

Yeah it is a little iffy, but whatever. Not going to agonize over it.

You have to remember though, according to the info we are giving in this movie, you can't jump between different branches however you like.
Lets say that Cap stays behind like a month or a year and he marries Peggy, then he decides he should jump back and say his goodbyes to his crew. He won't be able to jump back to his wife Peggy once he is done because that past is not connected to the timeline he's currently in (and which he is originally from).
One possible scenario is that he stays with Peggy and only after she has passed away, he returns to his time and lives out his final years there. That would still mean that he leaves behind whatever friends and family (kids) he's made.

 

[Gieferg]

I wonder...
why Cap didnt travel to Vormir, straight to the point in time where Clint & Nat were approaching Soul stone - give them the one he got with himself, go back to his timeline (maybe take Nat with him to avoid messing with final battle), leave Nat in the original timeline, take soul stone (again) and go give it back to it's place

This way Nat would be fine and, technically, they've got soul stone out of nowhere, just like Skynet creating itself in Terminator franchise.

 

[MovieSlave]

You have to remember though, according to the info we are giving in this movie, you can't jump between different branches however you like.
Lets say that Cap stays behind like a month or a year and he marries Peggy, then he decides he should jump back and say his goodbyes to his crew. He won't be able to jump back to his wife Peggy once he is done because that past is not connected to the timeline he's currently in (and which he is originally from).
One possible scenario is that he stays with Peggy and only after she has passed away, he returns to his time and lives out his final years there. That would still mean that he leaves behind whatever friends and family (kids) he's made.

That was my guess/theory as well.

 

[Donner]

I think there is one timeline. As long as all of the stones are put back exactly where they got them from, then the movies continue as normal.

This also means that Steve had to be super careful when he went back as to not change a single thing.

Basically, in order for the Avengers to go back in time in the first place to get the stones, all of the movies would have to happen exactly the way they did. Otherwise, it would create a paradox.

Think 12 Monkeys the TV show. Or The Time Machine with Guy Pearce.

 

[henzINNIT]

The time travel is a little too messy for my tastes. I hope a rewatch eases the disconnect I had with my first viewing.

One thing to celebrate is Supperhero's insufferable timeline theory threads migrating over here, and hopefully away from the X-Men section for a while.

 

[samsnee]

That would be depressing

 

[MadVillainy]

Just make it a prequel. Don't bring her back. That ruins her death and makes it kinda cheap.
Death was already so cheap in IW/EG, keep the 3 who actually died dead unless it's a prequel or a flashback.

 

[Kev4000]

I heard this theory on Emergency Awsome on YT and I think its correct. The BW movie will be a backstory told from her exploring her history in the soul stone. I think she will be freed when Cap returns the stone. Not sure how this would work with Evan's contract being up. So again this creates another alternate timeline where Nat survives, but it's not part of the timeline we know.

Yes please.

 

[MagicalMe]

How would replacing the stones at the exact moments they were taken even work? Since they already went back into the past to take the stones, wouldn’t they just run into the versions of themselves that took them in the first place? That plan might have worked if the stones were just floating around in space and up for grabs, but they specifically and intentionally interacted with and manipulated other people to accomplish their plan.

And even if they simply went back to even earlier points and simply replaced the stones, their future-past versions would’ve still gone back and taken them to bring everybody back, creating a paradox.

I'd like to see an end-credits sequence or a one shot which is just a montage of Steve popping out from behind something in each of the locations Stones were taken from just after the Avengers leave and returning the appropriate Stone immediately.

 

[KevTravels]

One thing i dont get. Are the resurrected Avengers still the same age as when they died or have they somehow aged 5 years "whilst dead".

So Peter Parker in homecoming is gonna be 5 years younger than Ned who wasnt dusted?

how do you know he wasn't dusted?

 

[Donner]

How would replacing the stones at the exact moments they were taken even work? Since they already went back into the past to take the stones, wouldn’t they just run into the versions of themselves that took them in the first place? That plan might have worked if the stones were just floating around in space and up for grabs, but they specifically and intentionally interacted with and manipulated other people to accomplish their plan.

And even if they simply went back to even earlier points and simply replaced the stones, their future-past versions would’ve still gone back and taken them to bring everybody back, creating a paradox.

Steve has to put the stones back exactly where they got them from and before their future selves get there because otherwise, there would be no future self to take them. That's the paradox. If the events of all the movies don't happen exactly as they did, there will be no time travel to get the stones.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just make it a prequel. Don't bring her back. That ruins her death and makes it kinda cheap.
Death was already so cheap in IW/EG, keep the 3 who actually died dead unless it's a prequel or a flashback.

Which 3? Tony, Nat and who else? Thanos?

how do you know he wasn't dusted?

Ned appeared at the end when it showed Peter returning to school, and he was the same age as Peter. Also Far From Home shows them all the same age.

 

[MadVillainy]

Which 3? Tony, Nat and who else? Thanos?

Vision

Thanos too, but I was more talking about the heroes

Ned appeared at the end when it showed Peter returning to school, and he was the same age as Peter. Also Far From Home shows them all the same age.

It's gonna be really weird seeing them crack jokes and stuff after the Thanos snap. It was ballsy to not do a mind wipe, but the films are gonna be so weird if they don't properly deal with the idea that half the population died for 5 years. Especially these teenagers

 

[KevTravels]

I figured Ned was dusted. That's why he reacted to Peter the way that he did. The conflict will come from people having moved on (after 5 years) while everyone dusted returns to that moment they lived. Your gf moved on and got married and has a kid. Your parents moved to a new town to get over your disappearance. You didn't graduate from college and the job market sucks so yeah a lot of conflict for everyone coming back.

 

[MadVillainy]

I figured Ned was dusted. That's why he reacted to Peter the way that he did. The conflict will come from people having moved on (after 5 years) while everyone dusted returns to that moment they lived. Your gf moved on and got married and has a kid. Your parents moved to a new town to get over your disappearance. You didn't graduate from college and the job market sucks so yeah a lot of conflict for everyone coming back.

But will the MCU tackle any of that?

 

[KevTravels]

Vision

Thanos too, but I was more talking about the heroes



It's gonna be really weird seeing them crack jokes and stuff after the Thanos snap. It was ballsy to not do a mind wipe, but the films are gonna be so weird if they don't properly deal with the idea that half the population died for 5 years. Especially these teenagers

The Russos are like "That's the writers of Spider-Man 2/Black Panther 2/Dr. Strange's problem".

 

[KevTravels]

But will the MCU tackle any of that?

Probably not, but Agents of Shield definitely should. That's an entire season of storyline potential right there.

 

[Dark Raven]

Vision

Thanos too, but I was more talking about the heroes

I thought you meant just in Endgame.

 

[MadVillainy]

I said IW/EG for that specific reason. 3 heroes died in IW/EG where there deaths shouldn't be cheap.
Bringing back Vision kinda cheapens the already very cheap concept of death

 

[Mutant 77]

One thing to celebrate is Supperhero's insufferable timeline theory threads migrating over here, and hopefully away from the X-Men section for a while.

Oh man, don't worry, I don't hate you at all. I mean, I'm Italian. I love friendship and peace, you know.

You need me, you need my time travel expertise and you like/love my theories. You're just too shy to admit that, my friend.

Peace and... see you in the X-Men time loop. Always.

 

[writer0327]

So if EG Thor took Mjolnir from the TDW timeline, how does he have it in AoU?

 

[Donner]

So if EG Thor took Mjolnir from the TDW timeline, how does he have it in AoU?

Steve put it back.

 

[Mutant 77]

How would replacing the stones at the exact moments they were taken even work? Since they already went back into the past to take the stones, wouldn’t they just run into the versions of themselves that took them in the first place? That plan might have worked if the stones were just floating around in space and up for grabs, but they specifically and intentionally interacted with and manipulated other people to accomplish their plan.

And even if they simply went back to even earlier points and simply replaced the stones, their future-past versions would’ve still gone back and taken them to bring everybody back, creating a paradox.

I think we must not take that too literal. Yes, they should have showed Avengers "coming back" at around the same moments the stones had been stolen, and putting those very same stones "in their places" while Avengers' previous time traveling counterparts were leaving the past. Whatever.

Said that, it was a metaphor. They just must put the stones "in their places" at AROUND the same time, minutes since they had been stolen. That's my best guess.

 

[writer0327]

So if EG Thor took Mjolnir from the TDW timeline, how does he have it in AoU?

That's right. Thanks.