Endgame Let’s talk the T word (SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[Shuri]

Guardians 3 is using Gunn’s script but I’m not sure if he would have included Thor in it. Or if he knew they’d bring back Gamora.

He knew to bring her back. Last year, he said the movie would be about Gamora. I always felt we would get her back because of that. I hope he doesn't include Thor. I love him, but I don't want him with the gotg.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well I don’t know if there’s anything about my post to disagree with since all I pointed out was that the MCU and Dragon Ball have similar time travel rules in which a person from the future traveling to the past preventing the sequence of events from the happening in that reality still does not affect the present reality that the time traveler came from at all - it only cause parallel universes. Didn’t really imply that Dragon Ball did the same(quality wise) as Endgame. Just highlighting they work similarly.

I misinterpreted.

However, while they do work similarly, DBZ makes its rules and sticks by them. While Endgame kinda just craps on the stuff they sent up

He knew to bring her back. Last year, he said the movie would be about Gamora. I always felt we would get her back because of that. I hope he doesn't include Thor. I love him, but I don't want him with the gotg.

Youre getting him buddy.
A billion guaranteed

 

[MrWayne]

Why did we need to see old Cap at all? Just cut from the scene of Bucky and Falcon wondering where he went to the scene of him dancing with Agent Carter in the past.

Yea agreed. That would have worked much better for me. Old man Cap bench scene didn't sit well with me. And I think the film should've ended more on and Avengers note not solely on Caps ending.

 

[MrWayne]

He knew to bring her back. Last year, he said the movie would be about Gamora. I always felt we would get her back because of that. I hope he doesn't include Thor. I love him, but I don't want him with the gotg.

Sorry that's happening... (I hope). We've seen in 2 movies now how well Thor meshes with the Guardians and if this new Hulk joins the team wow. Good movie times ahead.

 

[Shuri]

Maybe Peggy still married Sharon's uncle but also secretly kept Steve in the basement as an additional companion. That's why Steve didn't want to talk about it, cause it was kind of embarrassing how he just got kept in the basement.

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing the explanations people will come up with trying to make sense of this mess.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing the explanations people will come up with trying to make sense of this mess.

You know the video essays are already coming

 

[Ninjablade]

Love these movies, but no way I'm wasting my time drawing charts to explain them. I'll just say the writing was sloppy and move on. But whatever makes them happy I guess.

I think the funniest thing for me is, that after drawing a chart for it, all it did was highlight all the issues with the time travel

 

[MrWayne]

I think I can explain 2 & 3.

2) A stone was destroyed in 2 instances in our timeline. 1st was when Wanda destroyed it. I think Thanos quickly used the timestone to turn back the clock, before any damage could be done. 2nd was when he snapped to destroy them all. In this case, given how messed up he looked, I think he probably willed it so that his ideal reality remained intact while destroying the stones, which is an insane task. So the stones probably reverted back into their original state in non-stone form, or something similar, to keep reality in-tact.

3) Thanos is a scientist after all and one of the most brilliant minds in the universe. Perhaps he replicated the pym particles and used them to transport his entire fleet.

Why when it is shown that the past Nebula stole a Pym particle vile? That's how Thanos time traveled.

 

[Shuri]

Your getting him buddy.
A billion guaranteed

I know.
I don't want him to overshadow the guardians. And I'm not looking forward to everyone claiming gotg 3 made a billion (if it happens) because of Thor, even though gotg franchise made more than Thor franchise.

 

[Spidey220987]

Eh, if we go by those rules, once Marty McFly hit his teenage years and looked identical to Calvin Klein, George McFly should have accused Lorraine of secretly having an affair with his buddy from high school and divorced her.

Lol

 

[MadVillainy]

I think the funniest thing for me is, that after drawing a chart fo it, all it did was highlight all the issues with the time travel

I didn't even look at the chart, but that doesn't surprise me

Honestly unless you're whole story is going to revolve around time travel like Edge of Tomorrow, Terminator, Back to the Future, Looper then you should probably just leave time travel alone. It creates way more questions like Harry Potter 3 and this

 

[MadVillainy]

You know I really hope they don't do time travel with The Flash

 

[Ninjablade]

I didn't even look at the chart, but that doesn't surprise me

Honestly unless you're whole story is going to revolve around time travel like Edge of Tomorrow, Terminator, Back to the Future, Looper then you should probably just leave time travel alone. It creates way more questions like Harry Potter 3 and this

Agreed. Too many writers randomly introduce time travel too late and don't know what to do with it. Hell most time travel stories can't even manage to keep things straight.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Could it have been possible where Steve used the stones to create a reality for himself that didn't interfere with the timeline only to bring himself out of that reality at the point in time where his younger self went back? Just a thought.

 

[MadVillainy]

Could it have been possible where Steve used the stones to create a reality for himself that didn't interfere with the timeline only to bring himself out of that reality at the point in time where his younger self went back? Just a thought.

How would he wield all of the stones?

 

[Mutant 77]

The only thing that can be questioned from that is when do the branches/timelines align for Cap to know know where and when to be at that precise moment, knowing Sam & Bucky would still be there?

I am pretty much in agreement with you though lol

Fact is, it ALSO seems that the "branching" happens only when a stone is removed; it's not caused by the mere presence of the time traveler. So it seems...


The scene of the Ancient One:

First she showed the timeline.
Then she showed the stones circling it to represent how they maintain the flow of time.
Then she showed that by removing a stone a timeline branches.
Then when she put it back again the branch dusted.
This perfectly does away with any timeline anomalies. Banner was just wrong. Time can be altered, but the stones maintain the timeline, making sure the future is not significantly altered. Thanos was threatening to use the stones to totally rewrite the timeline, so that thematically fits too. The stones make new realities. If they are kept together in the same timeline they will make sure destiny is maintained. No branching without stones being time shifted.

 

[Mutant 77]

I'll have to watch it again to confirm exactly what the Ancient One says, but if removing the Infinity Stones from the timeline is the only thing that causes split timelines, then why didn't Loki escaping with the tesseract cause a massive change to the future of timeline A? He didn't time travel with the tesseract, he just took it somewhere else. This would have drastic ramifications on the future but the future doesn't change at all.

Yeah, stones causing the branching makes no sense at all. I think the mere presence of a time traveler in the past makes the timeline "branch", no matter what. Otherwise, if we negate this concept... well, if a time traveler doesn't remove any stone, but he has an impact on the timeline anyway, what does happen?

 

[Deck Rickard]

You know I really hope they don't do time travel with The Flash

LOL, I really hope they don't do The Flash.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Fact is, it ALSO seems that the "branching" happens only when a stone is removed; it's not caused by the mere presence of the time traveler. So it seems....

I don't think so.

You say that the mere presence of a time traveler does not cause reality to "branch".
However, Banner said that going back into the past doesn't change your present.

So... what does going back into the past do? According to you, it doesn't cause an alternate timeline. According the Banner, it doesn't change the present.

So if someone goes back into the past and kills Thanos as a baby but doesn't remove a stone from the past... what happens? Is it really "Banner was just wrong"? How can the "snap" still be in effect if the Thanos of 2014 died?

I don't get it.

 

[HotRodEconomist]

So he placed all the other time stones in the past where they should've been. Then stayed in the 40's and had a life with Peggy in an alternate timeline. Then, shortly after Peggy died and the events of Endgame happened, jumped back into the prime timeline to talk to Bucky and give Sam his shield. Now he will live out the rest of his life in the prime timeline, after having lived most of it in his alternate timeline.
???

 

[Hurm...]

So he placed all the other time stones in the past where they should've been. Then stayed in the 40's and had a life with Peggy in an alternate timeline. Then, shortly after Peggy died and the events of Endgame happened, jumped back into the prime timeline to talk to Bucky and give Sam his shield. Now he will live out the rest of his life in the prime timeline, after having lived most of it in his alternate timeline.
???

That's how I made sense of it.

 

[MadVillainy]

But wouldn't he return to the same spot on the machine? That's what happen with everybody else right?

 

[Mutant 77]

I don't think so.

You say that the mere presence of a time traveler does not cause reality to "branch".
However, Banner said that going back into the past doesn't change your present.

So... what does going back into the past do? According to you, it doesn't cause an alternate timeline. According the Banner, it doesn't change the present.

So if someone goes back into the past and kills Thanos as a baby but doesn't remove a stone from the past... what happens? Is it really "Banner was just wrong"? How can the "snap" still be in effect if the Thanos of 2014 died?

I don't get it.

I know. It's confused.

 

[Bim]

Old man Cap bench scene didn't sit well with me.

Agreed. It left me kinda "meh".

 

[samsnee]

They should have had Bucky or Sam ask Steve if that meant he changed the past.