Let's keep on calling it Democracy

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/26/bush.ap/index.html/

President Bush, on a collision course with Congress over Iraq, said Friday "I'm the decision-maker" about sending more troops to the war. He challenged skeptical lawmakers not to prematurely condemn his buildup."I've picked the plan that I think is most likely to succeed," Bush said in an Oval Office meeting with senior military advisers.
The president had strong words for lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who are lining up to support resolutions opposing his decision to send 21,500 troops to Iraq. He challenged them to put up their own ideas.
"I know there is skepticism and pessimism and that some are condemning a plan before it's even had a chance to work," the president said. "They have an obligation and a serious responsibility therefore to put up their own plan as to what would work."
Despite doubts in Congress and among the public about his strategy, Bush said lawmakers agree that failure in Iraq would be a disaster and that he chose a strategy that he and his advisers thought would help turn the tide in Iraq.

Why won't they simply impeach him?
He started a war on lies and he goes on with his plan against the will of a larger part of the population, the Senate, the military advisors.
Wondering how much Haliburton is giving him for his services.

 

[Mee]

"I've picked the plan that I think is most likely to succeed,"


And that's worked so well so far.

 

[Matt]

A few thoughts

1) Bush is right, since the Congress has authorized the war he can deploy troops however he sees fit. That is the power of the sword which he as Commander-in-Chief possesses
2) By that same right, why should Congress have to come up with a plan? He is President. He is Command-in-Chief, it is his responsibility to come up with a plan. Not say "Well, they didn't come up with a better one so I am just gonna throw more troops in there"
3) Just like he has the power of the sword, they have the power of the purse. Although I think once the soldiers are in place not a single Congressman will have the balls to try and remove funding.
4) Speaking of balls, Congress needs to grow a set. Either **** or get off the pot. Say to pull out or let him run his little war.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Either **** or get off the pot. Say to pull out or let him run his little war.

The little war that already spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

something tells me Matt is actually a DINO.
or a LIMO, and Is more of a moderate republican.
you know? in his heart of hearts ( I have never understood that saying)
don't ask me to back this up.
wild accusations are my stock and trade.

 

[gap5ewl]

it's just total corruption he has no idea what the hell he is doing (its not like he's making the decisions though. He is merely a puppet for something larger.)

 

[StorminNorman]

How is it not Democracy? The American people ELECTED President Bush - a deciding issue was the WAR IN IRAQ.

Sure, the people's opinions have changed in a few years - however the American people are, by in large, fickle and uninformed. There is a reason military actions are not decided by referendum - the American people are not qualified to plan military opperations.

Plus the new Democrat-Controlled Congress just unanimously supported the new military leader in Iraq - the brain behind the military surge.

 

[Matt]

The little war that already spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

I'm very aware of that. Which is why I am an advocate of the get off the pot argument. Congress shouldn't be playing stupid little games. It is like they are scared to say what they are thinking. "Either get out of there or we are cutting off ALL funding"

 

[Matt]

something tells me Matt is actually a DINO.
or a LIMO, and Is more of a moderate republican.
you know? in his heart of hearts ( I have never understood that saying)
don't ask me to back this up.
wild accusations are my stock and trade.

Why? Because I acknowledge that business owners have just as much rights as employees? Businesses aren't nameless, faceless things. They are run by...individuals with rights.

As for my post above, all I am saying is that Bush is right that he can send troops without approval, at the same time, Congress is right that they can cut off funding. The problem is, they do not have the balls to do it. They are all ***** footing around it.

 

[gap5ewl]

How is it not Democracy? The American people ELECTED President Bush - a deciding issue was the WAR IN IRAQ.

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NO the American People ELECTED Al Gore but the Electoral College (who are the ones that actually elect the president not us) elected Bush.

 

[StorminNorman]

NO the American People ELECTED Al Gore but the Electoral College (who are the ones that actually elect the president not us) elected Bush.

The people of each state voted - the electoral college followed their wishes.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Why?

I told you not to ask me!!!

 

[04nbod]

NO the American People ELECTED Al Gore but the Electoral College (who are the ones that actually elect the president not us) elected Bush.

thats no excuse anymore- there was the chance to get him out in '04 and the american public did not take it. The war therefore can be placed on america's collective head. the man's an imbicile yes but the public voted for him whether you like it or not.

 

[Matt]

NO the American People ELECTED Al Gore but the Electoral College (who are the ones that actually elect the president not us) elected Bush.

Comeon, lets not go down this road 6 years later. It is not productive in the least.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

There is a reason military actions are not decided by referendum - the American people are not qualified to plan military opperations.

That's why there are people called Military advisors, people who know better when it's time to quit military operations. Better than some politician with cocaine problems.

 

[StorminNorman]

That's why there are people called Military advisors, people who know better when it's time to quit military operations. Better than some politician with cocaine problems.

Yes - and the newly appointed leader of military opperations in Iraq is the one that suggested this military surge.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You can cry all you want about GWB, but the people elected him A SECOND TIME!!! No offense, but we dug our graves now we get to lie in them until next election. Hopefully next time more people will vote for President than vote for the next American Idol.

 

[Caliber]

something tells me Matt is actually a DINO.
or a LIMO, and Is more of a moderate republican.
you know? in his heart of hearts ( I have never understood that saying)
don't ask me to back this up.
wild accusations are my stock and trade.

Hes gone to the dark side.

 

[Caliber]

You can cry all you want about GWB, but the people elected him A SECOND TIME!!! No offense, but we dug our graves now we get to lie in them until next election. Hopefully next time more people will vote for President than vote for the next American Idol.

Sadly people don't seem to care enough. They are told bulls*** and believe it. People are stupid, they can't see beyond their own bs they call reality. Bush won because religious nuts who are homophobic and hate islam. We live in a society were see they don't make a difference anymore.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Sadly people don't seem to care enough. They are told bulls*** and believe it. People are stupid, they can't see beyond their own bs they call reality. Bush won because religious nuts who are homophobic and hate islam. We live in a society were see they don't make a difference anymore.

Well he won because of conservative fundamentalist Christians (or as you say "religious nuts"). But he mostly won because he was effective in getting those people to vote, and getting those people to give two sh**s. So all these people who seem to hate Bush so much obviously did not care enough to vote him out of office when they clearly had the chance. Fundamentalist Christianity is a [extremely vocal] minority. It is not large. Estimates are that only about 10% of western Christianity falls in line with it's views...but Bush was able (Karl Rove was able...) to tap into them and make them appear to be a dominant and vocal group. And the Democrats are in part to blame for not coming up with a rival strategy of their own. But also the people, who claimed to hate Bush so much but did not bother to vote.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Sadly people don't seem to care enough. They are told bulls*** and believe it. People are stupid, they can't see beyond their own bs they call reality. Bush won because religious nuts who are homophobic and hate islam. We live in a society were see they don't make a difference anymore.

Wow

The only thing I will add is that the 'stupidity' has actually come from that which made America great. In our individual "pursuit of happiness' we've forgotten that to sustain a true democracy it requires some selflessness. The American people have chosen to be a bunch of individual idiots instead of a true United States.

Wake up sleeping giant, wake up.

 

[Caliber]

Well he won because of conservative fundamentalist Christians (or as you say "religious nuts"). But he mostly won because he was effective in getting those people to vote, and getting those people to give two sh**s. So all these people who seem to hate Bush so much obviously did not care enough to vote him out of office when they clearly had the chance. Fundamentalist Christianity is a [extremely vocal] minority. It is not large. Estimates are that only about 10% of western Christianity falls in line with it's views...but Bush was able (Karl Rove was able...) to tap into them and make them appear to be a dominant and vocal group. And the Democrats are in part to blame for not coming up with a rival strategy of their own. But also the people, who claimed to hate Bush so much but did not bother to vote.

Thats true but people saw that their vote doesn't matter when he steals elections. Yes he stole both of them but saying that seems to be saying aliens exist. Funny how the voting machines work. Democrats have been beaten down by being called names and saying their stragedies are weak. They have had good ideas but have a congress that was kissing Bush's ass weekly.

 

[Caliber]

Wow

The only thing I will add is that the 'stupidity' has actually come from that which made America great. In our individual "pursuit of happiness' we've forgotten that to sustain a true democracy it requires some selflessness. The American people have chosen to be a bunch of individual idiots instead of a true United States.

Wake up sleeping giant, wake up.

The bad part is they are being told to be stupid or to told to follow. Its the pursuit of igornance really.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thats true but people saw that their vote doesn't matter when he steals elections. Yes he stole both of them but saying that seems to be saying aliens exist. Funny how the voting machines work. Democrats have been beaten down by being called names and saying their stragedies are weak. They have had good ideas but have a congress that was kissing Bush's ass weekly.

When are you people going to get it out of your head that he did not steal both elections?

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

 

[hippie_hunter]

something tells me Matt is actually a DINO.
or a LIMO, and Is more of a moderate republican.
you know? in his heart of hearts ( I have never understood that saying)
don't ask me to back this up.
wild accusations are my stock and trade.

Wow, just because someone is a moderate means that they are a traitor to their party. You're just like lazur when he basically implied that I am one to the Republicans.