Liefield's Cable #1 varient cover

[Hush]

Agreed. When I was 13 years old, Leifeld was up there with McFarlane, Keown, Jim Lee and Silvestri. As I grow older, I still don't mind his artwork, regardless of the mis-uniformity of it. Relax guys its just a comic (entertainment), it's not supposed to give you a migraine.

See this is where you are wrong, for some it isnt just a bit of entertaintment, for some its is an entire universe where the characters actually live and breath and we have grown with them all of our lives and we have seen every incarnation of them and we have found that they ar elike brothers and sisters to us and get us through the hard times, i myslef have had this happen. Though it may be a form of entertainment to many it is exactly what i just wrote about, an escape. To Darth it is a form of art, many others also consider it this, so to see such blatant disregard for anatomy and overall symetrical art values is very disrespectful to the art. Another thing all thos fellow artist you named have gotten better with time, Liefield has not which just shows how much this man is out there for his paycheck and not for the love of the character. In my eyes that is.

It is off, the perspective is off. From the mid shaft of the gun, you can clearly see some sort of ventilation holes in it. But at the tip of the gun its completely lateral without any sense of 3d perspective.

But again..who's really keeping count of all this crap? The cover still kicks ass.

Im keeping count along with every other person on these forums that can tell the difference between good and very very very bad art. We dont want want Alex Ross all the time, we just want a bicep that is big enough and proportionate enough to be held up by the tri-cep.

 

[Aristotle]

No it's called irony.

Whoa there boy. Hold up. As a fully deputized officer of the CPD, you don't get to use the I-word here. It's WAY overused, and there's nothing ironic about the situation. That's been used by too many people as an out for making themselves look stupid too many times, and that's why the Comedy Police Department was formed. I'm gonna have to take that word away from you until further notice.

OK, you've made your point already...you could have done it without all the asterisks.

Son, we use lethal force to protect you every bit as much as we use it to threaten you. Someday your life is gonna be saved by one of us using one of these, and you'll be glad we carry them. Now move along.

 

[fifthfiend]

OK, you've made your point already...you could have done it without all the asterisks.

Oh man if there's one thing more embarassing than someone getting ********* about swear words, it's someone getting ********* about censored swearwords.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

See this is where you are wrong, for some it isnt just a bit of entertaintment, for some its is an entire universe where the characters actually live and breath and we have grown with them all of our lives and we have seen every incarnation of them and we have found that they ar elike brothers and sisters to us and get us through the hard times, i myslef have had this happen. Though it may be a form of entertainment to many it is exactly what i just wrote about, an escape. To Darth it is a form of art, many others also consider it this, so to see such blatant disregard for anatomy and overall symetrical art values is very disrespectful to the art. Another thing all thos fellow artist you named have gotten better with time, Liefield has not which just shows how much this man is out there for his paycheck and not for the love of the character. In my eyes that is.



Im keeping count along with every other person on these forums that can tell the difference between good and very very very bad art. We dont want want Alex Ross all the time, we just want a bicep that is big enough and proportionate enough to be held up by the tri-cep.

I mean again though...that might just be his style...maybe he doesnt want to draw anatomically correct people. I mean some comic artists like to draw some things very well, and others not so well, again its just their style. Maybe he's overhyped..but why does that condemn as a violator of the comics code?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Whoa there boy. Hold up. As a fully deputized officer of the CPD, you don't get to use the I-word here. It's WAY overused, and there's nothing ironic about the situation. That's been used by too many people as an out for making themselves look stupid too many times, and that's why the Comedy Police Department was formed. I'm gonna have to take that word away from you until further notice.

Son, we use lethal force to protect you every bit as much as we use it to threaten you. Someday your life is gonna be saved by one of us using one of these, and you'll be glad we carry them. Now move along.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In any medium, an artist is judged by the standards set forth by his peers. Take a look at some of Liefeld's peers. Comic book art has transcended its initial bounds and become a legitimate art form. John Cassaday, Steve Epting, Jim Steranko, Bill Sienkiewicz, and others are doing pretty amazing work that stands up to that of a lot of serious artists (though, admittedly, not quite as high-brow, according to most critics). They're masters of an art form, and many of us appreciate them for that. Liefeld works in the same field, but he's not a master of the art form. He's like a pop singer vs. a serious composer--he may have some modicum of talent, and he may be popular, but he's doing absolutely nothing to advance the art form, push any boundaries, or even make a lasting imprint on the landscape of the art form as it stands today.

 

[Hush]

I mean again though...that might just be his style...maybe he doesnt want to draw anatomically correct people. I mean some comic artists like to draw some things very well, and others not so well, again its just their style. Maybe he's overhyped..but why does that condemn as a violator of the comics code?

Well if you KNOW you can't draw anatomically correct characters you really need to take a good look at why your in the profession you decided to be in because fans don't like seeing there favorite characters being butchered cause you don't want to learn how to draw properly.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Well i think being a comic artist is more than just anatomically correct human beings, you have to give something to the industry and he was there during the revolution of comics in the 90s. It was him, Jim Lee, Silvestri, Keown, and McFarlane who went out and created Image Comics. They changed how comic book writers and artists have control over their creations...some of them have gotten some success out of it as well, especially McFarlane and Silvestri. So thats a plus for ALL artists today to have control over how their own creativity.

However bad his art is, it is still 'art' and I really don't think its a offense to other artists. Real artists don't call other people's art crap. He is big because he was an artist at an important time for comics. And he continues to thrive because he has made a name for himself in the industry, and nobody can take that away from him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Real artists call other people's art crap all the time. They have opinions just like everyone else.

 

[xisaacx]

You should sop by the fan art section of these boards and you will see artist's that are incredible and have 100x the talent Liefield has, which is a shame cause chances are some of them will prolly never get hired. All because horrid artist like this man still get work and **** on the little guy who wants in on the game.

so wait let me get this straight, OTHER ARTIST who are trying to break into the industry, arent getting in because LIEFIELD is doing cable covers? OH OK that makes sense.

Liefield has nothing to do with other comic artist, AS MATTER OF FACT...because his art is so " horrible" OTHER ARTIST WHO ARE BETTER SHOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF MAKING IT, idiots


and to those who say oh well we dont wanna pay for his crappy art...THEN DONTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. simple as that, like I said IM NOT a liefield fan but some of the arguments here and nitpicking at the way he draws is immature and almost laughable considering HALF the damn people who complain about it have yet to post their renditions of the same picture better drawn, since your all so damn talented.

how bout that slappy.

1. liefield has nothing to do with other artist being hired
2. you dont like his work? DONT buy it.

its not rocket science

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Have you ever complained about a movie or a song you don't like?

 

[Sugarculted]

so wait let me get this straight, OTHER ARTIST who are trying to break into the industry, arent getting in because LIEFIELD is doing cable covers? OH OK that makes sense.

Liefield has nothing to do with other comic artist, AS MATTER OF FACT...because his art is so " horrible" OTHER ARTIST WHO ARE BETTER SHOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF MAKING IT, idiots


and to those who say oh well we dont wanna pay for his crappy art...THEN DONTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. simple as that, like I said IM NOT a liefield fan but some of the arguments here and nitpicking at the way he draws is immature and almost laughable considering HALF the damn people who complain about it have yet to post their renditions of the same picture better drawn, since your all so damn talented.

how bout that slappy.

1. liefield has nothing to do with other artist being hired
2. you dont like his work? DONT buy it.

its not rocket science

You don't have to be talented at drawing anatomy just to criticize his work. Looking at it from any stand point, it sucks. I can show it to my girlfriend, and she'll mention it looks pretty mediocre. You can be anyone, and notice that he can't draw eyes symmetrically to save his life.

You're on a comic book centered forum, of course we're going to ***** about anything we see. We don't have to buy it, and the majority of people who complain about it don't. You see, there's a certain thing called voicing your opinion. If I want to parade with a sign informing everyone Liefield sucks, then I'll do so.

Hush is right, there's tons of artists which can do miles better than Liefield anyday. Hell, I could. Having done life drawing for a while now, I see his imperfections even more. If any of the students in my course handed in work that looked like Liefield's, my teacher would tell them to scrap it because it really looks that bad.

You say you're not that bothered by Liefield, and you're not a fan...so why are you trying to help his cause somehow? He sucks, get over it.

 

[xisaacx]

I just dont see why people give him such a hard time. Its like since everyone hates him a bunch of you jump on the bandwagon

 

[xisaacx]

You don't have to be talented at drawing anatomy just to criticize his work. Looking at it from any stand point, it sucks. I can show it to my girlfriend, and she'll mention it looks pretty mediocre. You can be anyone, and notice that he can't draw eyes symmetrically to save his life.

You're on a comic book centered forum, of course we're going to ***** about anything we see. We don't have to buy it, and the majority of people who complain about it don't. You see, there's a certain thing called voicing your opinion. If I want to parade with a sign informing everyone Liefield sucks, then I'll do so.

Hush is right, there's tons of artists which can do miles better than Liefield anyday. Hell, I could. Having done life drawing for a while now, I see his imperfections even more. If any of the students in my course handed in work that looked like Liefield's, my teacher would tell them to scrap it because it really looks that bad.

You say you're not that bothered by Liefield, and you're not a fan...so why are you trying to help his cause somehow? He sucks, get over it.

Your absolutely right. He still gets work cause he sucks so much

 

[Aristotle]

You say you're not that bothered by Liefield, and you're not a fan...so why are you trying to help his cause somehow? He sucks, get over it.

The Liefeld fanboys always try to pretend they're dispassionate. He's really just doing the exact same things we've seen Liefeld fanboys doing for years, all over the internet. It's sadly predictable, the way they think and post.

 

[Aristotle]

I just dont see why people give him such a hard time. Its like since everyone hates him a bunch of you jump on the bandwagon

The first time I saw a Liefeld piece, I was a comics novice. The only creator names I knew were Grant Morrison and Alan Moore. The only characters I cared about were Batman and the JLA, although I was starting to enjoy other DC characters as well.

Someone showed me the great and glorious Cable "Dammit, I Lost My Elbow Again" cover. I had never heard of Rob Liefeld, or even Cable. I didn't know if this kind of art was par for the course or not yet. But I did know that the drawing ****ing sucked. So I asked for the name of the artist, and I found it, and I scoured the internet for more of his work to see if it was a fluke. There were parts of the drawing that I had enjoyed, so I wanted to see if, in reality, he was talented. I came to realize that he had never done a quality drawing in his life, at least none that I could find. I looked through old issues of his comics--some of the earliest non-DC comics I read were Liefeld issues, for that reason.

I came to the inalterable conclusion that Rob Liefeld is the most horrible artist to touch a comic book page (except the guy who drew Hansi The Girl Who Loved the Swastika), in the same way that Stan Lee is the most horrible writer to do so (except the guy who wrote Hansi The Girl Who Loved the Swastika.)

It was not until about a year later that I discovered that I was not the only one who hated Liefeld's art.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I had never heard of Rob Liefeld, or even Cable. I didn't know if this kind of art was par for the course or not yet. But I did know that the drawing ****ing sucked. So I asked for the name of the artist, and I found it, and I scoured the internet...

When Leifield came out with Cable and Youngblood and the like...it was back before there was any internet. So obviously you started looking at his work much later than I did..I was 12 and 13 (no internet) when I saw his stuff come out. And at the time, his work was "COOL" and "GRITTY" and wreaked 'awesomeness' back in the early 1990's.

Ofcourse nowadays his artwork seems cliche and whatnot, but at the time it was cool. I'm in no way a Liefeld "fanboy." In fact, the only Liefeld comic I have is Youngblood #1 with the awesome PITT (Dale Keown) teaser in the back. My favorite artist are: Javiar Saltaires, Mark Texiera, Salvador LaRocca, the Kubert's (Andy, Adam, and Joe), Clayton Crain, Dale Keown, McFarlane, Silvestri, and Ron Garney.

What I, and a few other people are doing here is simply saying is: Yes he's controversial (his split up with Image was very messy), but he's not this evil villain you and a few others make him out to be. His artwork is not horrible, and to nitpick about anatomy in a comic book is just petty and assanine.

 

[Darthphere]

Speaking of stupid...what a kiddish reply. You're taking his artwork way too seriously. I mean Liefeld may not be the best artist out there, but hell...when I was 13 years old (A KID) and I saw his YoungBlood cover I wasn't looking at the hero's crotch and trying to see if the perspective was mathematically correct.

Maybe his artistic creativity has not grown since the 90's, but at least he draws something that everybody knows is Liefield...The reason why he is still out there making comics is because whatever he produces still sells. Hell he created the look of Cable and Deadpool...2 really cool characters for Marvel...give him a little bit of respect.

Ignoring most of your ridiculous response, yeah he created Deadpool and Cable, and that's all we can give him credit for. Deadpool is what he is today because of one man, Joe Kelly. So yeah he "created" him, in a "I ripped off Deathstroke" type of way, but Joe Kelly made the character, so get your facts straight.

As for the other stuff, again, horrible arguments. The Wayans Bros. movies sell out at the box office, that doesn't make "Little Man" a good movie.

 

[Darthphere]

What I, and a few other people are doing here is simply saying is: Yes he's controversial (his split up with Image was very messy), but he's not this evil villain you and a few others make him out to be. His artwork is not horrible, and to nitpick about anatomy in a comic book is just petty and assanine.

Subjective. Most of the internet hates his artwork, that's an opinion, you don't, that's also an opinion. No one is wrong. And you misspelled asinine, now that is really asinine.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Ignoring most of your ridiculous response, yeah he created Deadpool and Cable...but Joe Kelly made the character, so get your facts straight.

You can't agree and disagree with me at the same time. Seems like you want to disagree for the sake disagreement...again how petty.

The Wayans Bros. movies sell out at the box office, that doesn't make "Little Man" a good movie.

That has to be the worst analogy I've heard yet. Liefeld and Image came out during the early 90's when over-ripped muscular super heroe's and abnormally thin and scantily clad females were the norm. His artwork fit the time period. 'nuff Said.

 

[LemonSunday]

His artwork is not horrible, and to nitpick about anatomy in a comic book is just petty and assanine.

I don't think bringing up the fact that Liefeld can't draw feet or hands holding objects is nitpicking.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Subjective. Most of the internet hates his artwork, that's an opinion, you don't, that's also an opinion. No one is wrong. And you misspelled asinine, now that is really asinine.

You're really running out of arguments arent you? Now you're nitpicking spelling? Jesus Christ...next you will judging the font to be 'too blocky.' t:

This isn't an argument of opinions, it's a petty discussion on nitpicking an artists work to death...especially when there are other offenders out there.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I don't think bringing up the fact that Liefeld can't draw feet or hands holding objects is nitpicking.

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That point's been made a thousand times, he even admitted it himself that hands and feet are difficult to draw. People here are just nitpicking everything to death...and that's petty.

 

[LemonSunday]

That point's been made a thousand times, he even admitted it himself that hands and feet are difficult to draw. People here are just nitpicking everything to death...and that's petty.

Not being able to draw to simple parts of the human body like hands and feet does not a good artist make, sir.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

And I never said he was a great artist...but he is an artist, nevertheless...who has been influential in the business and helped create cool characters like Deadpool and Cable, so lets give him a little credit where credit is due.