Light is good. Dark is bad.

[Breogan]

it subverts it. but the underlying message is still the same; white = good and black = bad. Fisk wears white because his public image is that of a legitimate businessman. Murdock dresses up as a devil because the image he is projecting is for the benefit of criminals ("i'm scary and will hurt you").

Which subverts it,...
Yes criminals fear him, that's the point, yet people trust him, and hope he's out there, hence the underlying message is not the same.
Like Zorro, Batman and other dark knights, before him, by owning the dark themes, they turn it on the villains, and make it a representation of hope.
That's the whole point, it's flipped, subverted for good.

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black.

Always?
You need to look around, and check again!
Also not mentioned Storm, Black Widow, Blade (movie), Blackbolt, Nighthawk, wear all black.
At DC Black Canary, Wild Cat, Black Lightning, Blackhawks, Nightwing, Raven...etc.
Movie X-Men and SHIELD agents wear mostly all black too, these listed and more are all heroes representing good!
Zorro
Solomon Kane
The Shadow (literaly absance of light)
The Phantom (aka the Gray Ghost)
Diabolik
Black Panther
Captain Harlock,
The Crow Movie.
V
Dark Angel TV.

Heroes in Black channeling Dark themed totems and imagery, is a constantly recurring, and one of my favorite ongoing tropes in heroic fiction...

 

[dude stannis]

I'd feel safer standing behind this guy thank most heavenly light sided characters.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The purest version of the Yin can be found in the Yang, and the purest version of the Yang resides in the Yin.

 

[Victarion]

King Stannis has a sword that gave off a bright white light while a dude was being burned alive. Yet, he's still fighting the good fight against the Boltons.

 

[dude stannis]

I stand against the Warden of the North, and his cocaine fueled unsafe medical practices.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

 

[Mad Ones]

We like to reduce everything binaries. One is always privileged/normalized and the other is abnormal/demonized. Things are more complicated though and more like a spectrum.

 

[Breogan]

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black.

More random pop culture Hero/Good in black, Villain/Bad in white theme ...

Before Disney bought out Marvel's pantheon, one of their first masked heroes and better known franchises
Disney: Zorro The Fox all black vs The Eagle antagonist all white.

Indiana wears the Dark hat - Belloq wheres the White.

Princess Bride Westley (Dread Pirate) all black, Prince Humperdinck celest/white

Bucho wears white, Desperado black.

DragonHeart

Blade all in black, lead vamp white

Constantine in black - Lucifer in white

DKR: Animated

DD

Tron

Hunger Games

 

[Breogan]

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black.

More random pop culture Hero/Good in black, Villain/Bad in white theme ...

Saruman in all white and his white hand mark on his army. ...

Narnia White Witch...

R1 the new villain wears white.

The Rogue Heroes mostly in dark colors,

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In Dynamite's Masks, the classic pulp heroes mostly wear dark to all black. .

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The villain wears all white

Exactly others see neither as inherently good or bad, just balance.

...

Luke symbolically dons all black, embraces both halves within himself, walks his own path, finding redemption for his father and a new path for the Jedi to return.

LOL re-reading that ^ again now after the Last Jedi, what Luke achieved, the path he walked and chose to reinvent and bring back the return of Jedi , Now "Last Jedi" really does take a giant dump on everything Luke was and achieved.
Makes it so he failed, now it's Rey who achieves it?

 

[Breogan]

Again as mentioned above the hero is the Dark Knight. The villain Clown Price in all white...

It's telling how many artists revisit it...

 

[Mandon Knight]

For me, any colour can represent good, any colour can represent bad.

 

[Schlosser85]

I originated two animal splice characters in my story as a “light” and “dark” Seer, with one a pure snowy white albino and the other black-furred, but then I pondered switching them around and having the “dark” Seer be the snowy white one and the good one be the black one, but then you run into the trope of the “albino villain”.

 

[Breogan]

... then you run into the trope of the “albino villain”.

Yes the creepy near albino look is just as much a villain cliche in pop culture.
Which also lends to disprove the original posters whole point.

LOL!...

 

[Breogan]

Other classics:
Diabolik main antagonist King: leader of a powerful criminal organization, once Diabolik's foster father who trains him in the skills he will need as a criminal.
King eventually betrays Diabolik and plans to murder him.
Hero Diabolik dark all in black - King the villain fair in white

Another fantastic example, mostly ignored from the pulpy era, before Catwoman donned her all black catsuit, was the raven haired Marla Drake; Miss Fury, dressed in all black, while her main nemesis the Platinum Blond Baroness; Erica Van Kampf, tended to dress in bright opposite.

...

Yet another: Punisher - Jigsaw

 

[Pink Ranger]

Also, we are at our essence scared monkeys with no natural weapons. So we're naturally fearful of the dark than we are of light.

 

[Flash525]

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black. When I'm watching a movie and heaven/good guys represent light and demons are black I'm automatically turned off by it. Just look at the dictionary and how the words are represented especially the word black. I try not to let it bother me, but it gets old sometimes. I was hoping someone can explain to me why that is.

I wouldn't have said this is represented by the media much at all.

So it's just whatever attributes you ascribe to it, mostly stemming from some basic primal and childlike fear of the dark and what you can't see.

I think this is more akin to the origin here; we can't see in the dark, we don't know what's there and so naturally we fear it - we fear the unknown. When it's day, we can see everything, thus the reason black is considered bad I guess?

Doesn't quite explain why white is perceived as good if black is bad, because we don't just see white during daylight.

 

[Breogan]

So it's just whatever attributes you ascribe to it, mostly stemming from some basic primal and childlike fear of the dark and what you can't see.
It's why we harnessed fire, and created candles and flashlights, and hurled ourselves into space, to see the unknown what was on the dark-side of the moon etc.... to expose that neither one by nature is just good or bad.

I think this is more akin to the origin here; we can't see in the dark, we don't know what's there and so naturally we fear it - we fear the unknown. When it's day, we can see everything, thus the reason black is considered bad I guess?.

Is that a question, yes I'm talking about it's origin, human primal nature, as in how we physically need light to see.

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black. .

Doesn't quite explain why white is perceived as good if black is bad,

Yeah
I think several in this thread have shown why that is absolutely not always the case, in several cultures, and even several pop culture examples why it's not.

because we don't just see white during daylight.

Uhm, as far as the human condition, you basically need light to see*.


*I'm talking about natural human vision, to the hypster about to post about infrared and other photo sensory tech.

 

[Flash525]

Yeah
I think several in this thread have shown why that is absolutely not always the case, in several cultures, and even several pop culture examples why it's not.

Not sure whether you're agreeing, or disagreeing with me here? Your above quote is out of context.

Uhm, as far as the human condition, you basically need light to see*.

As far as the human condition goes, you're right, but as far as colours go, we don't 'see' white, we see light.

 

[Breogan]

Maybe go back and read what I wrote, And stop editing my posts.
You need light to see.

As far as the human condition goes, you're right, but as far as colours go, we don't 'see' white, we see light.

Yes that is the human condition.
You need light to see* anything.


*Again I'm talking about natural human vision, to the hypster about to post about infrared and other photo sensory tech.
Or a how Dolphins, Daredevil and Bats "see" with sonar etc...

 

[Flash525]

Maybe go back and read what I wrote, And stop editing my posts.

I didn't edit your posts. You did that yourself. You obviously made a post, screwed it up, I quoted it, and replied to it, then you amended. Take more care in your own posting before attempting to criticise another maybe?

You need light to see.

Lose the attitude.

 

[Breogan]

Wow. Ok.
My edit was to include in my reply my full quote, which you had edited.
Our whole exchange here begins with you quoting and editing (taking out of it's full context) my original post.
Does it not.

And me saying "you need light to see anything", isn't attitude.
It's the fact that cuts to the core of the discussion, and the point I first made.

 

[Flash525]

My edit was to include in my reply my full quote, which you had edited.

So I didn't actually edit your post, I just didn't quote all of it. Those are very different things.

Our whole exchange here begins with you quoting and editing (taking out of it's full context) my original post.

I quoted the element of your post that I wanted to reply too. I wouldn't have said I quoted anything out of context. The part of your post that I did quote was relevant to the reply I wished to give. It was only after that you expanded upon it, but I had already left my reply by then.

And me saying "you need light to see anything", isn't attitude.

On this, maybe I am mistaken. I read that in the context of 'open your eyes' and a form of insult.

 

[Erzengel]

 

[Breogan]

It just a problem when morons still look for and ridiculously ascribe good/evil attributes to skin color.

Which I hope the OP isn't doing.
otherwise if they look, they will see this is constantly subverted in pop culture.

Anyone else getting tired of this? From the media, TV, movies and art, heaven/good is always light and representing the color white and evil is always dark and the color black.

All white can be negative, as in the absence of anything, erased, white-washed etc...

Potentially the most popular show on right now...

White Walkers...

Night's Watch all in black...

 

[Breogan]

Jedi temple = Balance.
Not sure where Johnson went when he took a giant dump on Luke.
Star Wars is rooted in the old trope, yet ultimately subverts it.
At his core Luke's character represented and embraced balance.
That was his ultimate and defining story arc.
Never followed Jedi dogma or plan ("you must kill Vader") , and instead, chose and walked his own path, that nobody expected, unafraid to face and embrace what he was, a mix of both halves.
With that, he stopped fearing one side over the other, recognized what he (and what his father) was as part of himself, and no longer feared it.
This action (which his father (trapped by fear) could never imagine, seeing his son conquer it, freed him to do the right thing.

It's like this new generation missed the obvious symbolism, weight and point of the final act. forgetting that Luke instinct wasn't to destroy it, he went from wearing all white, to black (he was no longer afraid of it, or fighting it , but embraced that half of himself) That was his way.
It's Luke who found that balance (Not following Jedi dogma) but in his own actions.

This new movie absolutely betrays his entire story arc and character.

Hopefully Abram's can reclaim that, or these new movies (and fans) just took a giant dump on all that.