Lionsgate at the ComicCon

[Advanced Dark]

Went over everything...no Punisher 2 though. Just give the rights back to a studio that will put some investment behind it already. 2007 looking unlikely considering there wasn't even a mention of it. Someone please prove me wrong. and at the same time...

 

[Punisher 04]

They'll probably drop the rights soon, hopefully. What a waste of time, could of gave it a decent budget, gone with the script we read last year, and been released already.

 

[Retroman]

Why didn't anyone take the time to ask about Punisher 2? I would think sites like SHH etc would be interested in that.

 

[ObakeTora]

give the rights back dammit and stop jerking us around!!!

 

[Kable24]

Someone needs to make a quick t-shirt that says " Hey LGF, give the rights to the Punisher back to Marvel!" and go up to the Lionsgate booth and just keep pestering about the Punisher!

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah it looks like LGF is the one holding back the movie's production. Hulk situation all over again. This movie would be perfect to go back to Marvel considering they wouldn't need to put a huge amount of money into it.

 

[ObakeTora]

Someone needs to make a quick t-shirt that says " Hey LGF, give the rights to the Punisher back to Marvel!" and go up to the Lionsgate booth and just keep pestering about the Punisher!

as soon as I can find my spray can

 

[Advanced Dark]

I talked to a rep at LGF and asked him flatout..."Is there going to be a Punisher 2". His first response is I don't think I can talk about that right now. He whispered to someone else and then he said "we're hoping to start that real soon but it's not on our schedule yet." I have a feeling Marvel's gonna get the rights back to this.

 

[batman7289]

Someone Grow Some Balls And Just Ask Them

 

[Advanced Dark]

Did you not read the post above???

 

[Kable24]

It seems like they tiptoed around the subject with you AD. I was giving LGF the benefit of doubt, but now they are pissing me off. If you aren't planning on doing anything with the property give it back to Marvel. What a bunch of *******s.

 

[ObakeTora]

yes give it back to Marvel and pray for a remake. For those of you against a remake look at how well batman begins did? The last crappy movie before that was merely 7 years ago. Come on Franks story deserves to be told intelligently and realistically as they did Begins. The biggest problem I have with PINO was the absence of the Central Park and Nam angle. A good director could really capitolize on those elements. I really dont care what most of you think. Personally Im against P2 now. Jane is great as Castle, but the prosthetics dept. should have made him to look like 62 year old man. Ill end my suggestion by saying this.

Punisher is a marine not a cop

Punisher is not in his early forties

Punishers family was killed out of randomness not out of retaliation
(you see the lack of imagination here?)

Punisher if done right and proffessional could be nominated for an award.

I don't like the idea of marketing Punisher as a nitch market. That just means more bland stories, that sole emphasize action, when the heart of Frank Castle's life deserves so much more.

Think about it, this is a normal guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. Who wouldnt want to see that movie?

P2? Hell no. If you aint gonna do it right dont do it at all.

 

[jerzy]

Agreed ObakeTora. I posted something similar a while ago regarding the same subject, either here or on the IMDb Punisher message boards.

Jane's fime as the Punisher...may as well keep him as such. The 'Nam angle is too dated for today's market. How many cinema-goers will relate? Updating to the Gulf conflict makes sense, but making him a cop doesn't...goes against the whole premise of the character, and whether the story is set in NYC/Miami/Seattle?Wherever makes no difference, it's the essence that's important.

I'll try and dig my post out from IMDb and paste it here, some people might find it interesting, and it pretty much follows your arguments.

 

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Jane's fime as the Punisher...may as well keep him as such. The 'Nam angle is too dated for today's market. How many cinema-goers will relate? Updating to the Gulf conflict makes sense, but making him a cop doesn't...goes against the whole premise of the character, and whether the story is set in NYC/Miami/Seattle?Wherever makes no difference, it's the essence that's important.

I like the idea of updating time and using the Gulf War instead of Vietnam, but that cannot stand alone. I have always seen Punisher's comic origins as a metaphor for the treatment that war veterans were receiving from their country upon returning home. These guys went to war wanting to be heroes, they gave their lives, souls and body parts in some cases for their country, but when they come back their efforts have become hated by the population. The mess the veterans were left in was abandoned by America and they struggled on by themselves.

Frank's story is just this; he comes back to wife, two kids, ideal family picnic goes wrong. He fought for America and it's ideals, and it was mobsters (A very Italian - American premise) that took everything away from Frank. To me, he gave away his sanity in Vietnam to serve his country, but for everything he has done, his country repaid him by screwing out if the only thing that kept him as sane as he could be.

With all this tied around Vietnam, I don't see a stand alone Gulf War origin having as strong an impact!......

 

[Nasty-B]

No, but it would still be an improvement on FBI agent who loses his whole extended family out of retaliation not randomness in a scene lifted directly from Mad Max. Obake hit the nail on the head with his call for a reboot- Jonathan Hensleigh and the script writers really missed what makes the Punisher tick. The first film completely misunderstood the character too. Why is it that filmakers can't do justice to the Punisher's origin?

 

[ObakeTora]

No, but it would still be an improvement on FBI agent who loses his whole extended family out of retaliation not randomness in a scene lifted directly from Mad Max. Obake hit the nail on the head with his call for a reboot- Jonathan Hensleigh and the script writers really missed what makes the Punisher tick. The first film completely misunderstood the character too. Why is it that filmakers can't do justice to the Punisher's origin?

because those same latte sipping Hollywood types are too gung ho about mass marketing then genuine creative storytelling. Thanks Nasty!! But for all the Storm philes out here....


NO!!!!!! KEEP THE NAM ANGLE!!!!

Why? Nam was a far more controversial, dangerous, ****ed up, war!!! Its been such a long time since Ive seen a good Nam flick, a really good creative director could take this flick to town!!! Why do you guys want to trade the psychoticness of Vietnam for the breifness of Storm??? Castle did 3 tours!!! (Hello!!!~Mcfly!!???) Spin off anyone!!??? Oh wait you mean to tell me none of you die hard Pun fans want to see Born translated to film? Whats up with this damn cop BS!!!??? Ive read Punisher since his first inception in Amzing Spidey and he was never no damn cop. The two entities are as different as apples and Oldsmobiles! A cop storyline is boring and usual!!! Punisher has detective skills, but hes a tactician not a cop who serves under rules. Omitting the cop angle would help audience members connect to him, because after Nam the poor guy was out of work, just like alot of other ex Nam soldiers. Frank was going to go back and train special forces soldiers not police officers!!! Castle knew that the force wouldnt let him get away with that down home Sicilian flavored killing the military would allow and praise!!! That would have been a much more interesting story!! Im sorry you guys, but I hate the desert storm angle, and the cop angle.

I hate the Storm angle because not many people were worried (back then) that their kids would come home safe, as opposed to everybody treating Nam like its the end of the world. Storm had many technological advances as opposed to nam where a soldier would worry about his M-16 backfiring, while the enemy had the ak-47 (a weapon that could fire good dirty)

Storm didnt last as long as the Vietnam conflict, Nam dragged on for years. Oh, and desert locations (for me anyway) are so dull to watch on film. Give me a hot steamy exotic asian jungle anyday!!!


But if they asked me to write the film, after asking everyone here for help and input Id have the film formatted this way.

Castle and his troops on patrol in a jungle in Cambodia, suddenly they get attacked. Explosions, body parts, and flip flops everywhere. Castle whooping that ass on the enemy, then a voice over...


prefferably...

"Punisher's War Journal#***

In Nam we let the point man first...."

A good hour and a half of concentrated ass whipping until the films end we see...

Castle's family murdered in Central Park, retold in vivid brilliance..


when the girl behind you in the theater mutters "oh my God thats so awful.."

You know that was a good ass film.....

Oh and if you keep him at 62 years old you have the female audience. Why? Women love older men, especially buff older men!!!!!


~anyway


Punisher rules damnit!!!!

 

[zer00]

I read none of Obake's posts

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I read none of Obake's posts

 

[batman7289]

Someone Grow Some Balls And Just Ask Them

oops made myself look like a jack as s

 

[batman7289]

im a real jjack ass

 

[Spawn187]

Why didn't anyone take the time to ask about Punisher 2? I would think sites like SHH etc would be interested in that.

Cus every one at the con had one thing on their mind And thats sm3 sad to say i thought the first punisher was awesome, but people are distracted.

 

[ObakeTora]

I read none of Obake's posts

~your just insecure because thats not you in your avatar stroking yourself. Since i didnt ask you for your opinion it doesnt really matter now does it? Couldnt your time be better spent picking up all those empty red bulls and playboy mags (with the holes cut in the centerfold) off the floor of your mothers basement?

 

[Kable24]

I read ObakeTora's posts, I just don't agree with his opinions.

 

[Retroman]

I talked to a rep at LGF and asked him flatout..."Is there going to be a Punisher 2". His first response is I don't think I can talk about that right now. He whispered to someone else and then he said "we're hoping to start that real soon but it's not on our schedule yet." I have a feeling Marvel's gonna get the rights back to this.

Thanks AD.
I think this speaks volumes.Marvel just need to get back the rights pronto cause LG don't seem to give a crap about the sequel.

Cus every one at the con had one thing on their mind And thats sm3 sad to say i thought the first punisher was awesome, but people are distracted.

A lot of panels seemed to have been overlooked. There was one with the cast of Blade, one with the costume designers of X3 and the Fantastic Four sequel etc. Shame really that those weren't covered.

 

[ObakeTora]

I read ObakeTora's posts, I just don't agree with his opinions.

everybody has a right to their own opinion. I'll try to bring more evidence to get people to see things my own way, but do a search and youll rarely ever see me insulting someone who doesnt agree with me. I just see the Punisher a different way, everybody has their own unique point of view on how they see the world.

therefore... "oh well, moving on."