BvS List what you DONT want in the movie.

[The Shape]

If I seem like that to anyone, its probably the people I never cared for to begin with. Now if posters like The Joker, Visualiza, or HafizBat described me as grumpy or unfriendly, then I would actually be concerned.

Good to know moving forward.

Opinion Segregation will end when, for example, I can post "I don't want a Boring Superman, Unlikable Batman, or Xena-ripoff WW" in the "Things you don't want" thread, without someone copying and pasting my post and putting it in the "Things you do want" thread in a sorry attempt to mock me.

Does that really bother you so much? As a longtime Hype veteran, I would think you've gotten past the fact that there are immature, trouble-making posters here, and also posters who have a hard time taking things seriously. Can't you ignore them? You don't think you're able to have a normal discussion here without calling out people who can't handle negative opinions?

I also don't see how the example you described warrants the policing of "Opinion Segregation". Either way, I hope that you and I will find a way to interact in a more meaningful manner over the next year.

 

[The Batman]

Does that really bother you so much?

That particular instance? No, not really.

As a longtime Hype veteran, I would think you've gotten past the fact that there are immature, trouble-making posters here, and also posters who have a hard time taking things seriously. Can't you ignore them?

I ignore more of them than you think.

You don't think you're able to have a normal discussion here without calling out people who can't handle negative opinions?

Some of the most productive discussion I've seen/been in on here was in the Skepticism thread, far more than say, the "All Things Thread" or the "Henry Cavill thread". Unfortunately, that gets ruined more often than not by people who can't just ignore the thread for some reason and come in to complain about the thread's existence.

Anyway, back to talking about what we don't want see in B V S.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't want:

1) A supes/Lois romance that feels perfunctory. If it's just there to fill the seemingly mandated "kissyface" quotient and endowed with the depth of a kiddy-pool in July, I'd rather forgo it. Make it interesting and heart-warming instead.

2) Overly-jerky batman. I don't mind him having an stand-offish attitude and sporting scars from his past that manifest in various ways. I don't even mind him doing some questionable things to supes if he thinks it necessary, but please don't make him some irredeemable psycho. I hope they show the duality of his nature (meaning he is tender to those he protects and not so with those he opposes).

3) "JL Begins." I'm aware that it's possible to "world-build" and have a decent self-sufficient story. I hoping for that, but I fear this movie feeling like little more than a JL commercial featuring a little of everyone and not enough of anyone.

4) A Superman who never learns: I was not bothered by MOS's less-perfect superman, but sooner or later one realizes that the superman character is a paragon. He is wise, selfless, patient and strong in ways that few (if any) others are. I want to see him grow. I want to see him be someone looked upon in awe and not just because "he's kinda hot." MOS gave us his first foray into society and it wasn't a joyous occasion for some folks. Let him prove to people that his presence is a gift, not a pestilence.

5) Here's hoping Gal Gadot can act. She hasn't given a performance I enjoyed thus far. I hope that changes. I also hope WW doesn't feel shoehorned in or come off as an excuse to have a hot chick beat on things regardless of plot or reason.

6) "Cool" and pointless character fights. Many a person seemed to enjoy the Avengers' squabbling, but I did not. I thought it made them look petty and deflated any hope of tension. I'm not against character fights altogether; I just prefer they're raw and emotional in nature and have stakes involved. Cool-looking fights are fun. Cool-looking, meaningful fights that have a profound impact on the story are breath-taking and endlessly entertaining.

7) A mediocre script. Come on now, DC/WB. I know there's another Dark Knight in you somewhere.

Excellent post, especially 2, 3, 5, and 6. The Avengers made a lot of these mistakes and that's why I didn't much care for it. I mean, it aggravated me that the earth was on the verge of being destroyed an yet the Avengers were squabbling about who would get to run it after the battle was over.

One thing I don't want to see is Batman and Superman fighting, though I already know that's going to happen. I don't understand the fascination with forcing superheroes to square off against one another. Hopefully the fight won't end in a tie because that would be so pointless, but I'm sure it will so as to avoid infuriating ******** fanboys.

 

[Black Narcissus]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30290465&postcount=6

It's always nice to see people prove my point.

"Oh lawd" indeed.

Yeah, you don't have a sense of humor. Lawd.

Anyway, I hope we don't get easy side characters for our heroes to fight against. The alien creatures in Avengers were lame, I want to really fear our heroes are in deep ****.

 

[The Batman]

Yeah, you don't have a sense of humor. Lawd.

I do...when its funny.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I do...when its funny.

I know you is laughing behind the cowl. t:

And my Xena question wasn't because I disagreed with you, it was because I have a vague memory of seeing the show and the character in general. I don't know if you meant character wise or look wise, but you clearly didn't want to go into it. All is good.

 

[ShoguN]

I would rather not see a love story. Easy on the Lois & Clark.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I would rather not see a love story. Easy on the Lois & Clark.

You must have missed the Chicago set pics.

It's Lois and Clark. Their story is epic at the end of the day.

 

[Superchan]

If this film is truly about superman and batman then I just want one thing, treat the characters with respect!! This includes playing to each character's strengths while avoiding the ever present mistake of sacrificing one character for the other.

Honest to god I would've forgiven all of MOS's flaws if Clark/kal/superman was given a modicum of character and personality instead I felt that we got a one dimensional cardboard cut-up of what superman is SUPPOSED to be; the very same flaw that Superman returns was guilty of incidently.

 

[ShoguN]

You must have missed the Chicago set pics.

It's Lois and Clark. Their story is epic at the end of the day.

Yes i saw those pics. I know its inevitable but i just hope it doesn't turn into an all out love story. I do appreciate some Lois and Clark i just feel like with this being the dawn of justice and batman v superman they should have alot of other things to focus on. Maybe they can truly focus on Lois&Clark in the next solo.

 

[Gu3ree]

21. Don't want the death or Superman arc so early.
22. Don't want this film to see all Justice Leaguers together before Justice League otherwise that would ruin the anticipation for the JL movie.
23. I don't want this to take so much time focusing on building up the Justice League movie.

 

[Gu3ree]

For me MOS, all the crew members making the movie felt like they were apologizing for the way Superman was before. All this "Superman has been too perfect and needs to be more relevant" BS. I especially got tired of the "He's great but he hasn't been the easiest person to relate to."

I bet MOS could have been a better film and Superman would have been more awesome if the people approaching the film were devoted fans. Not some guys like, "Okay we're here to fix Superman to make him more relevant like Batman."

It lacked the whole what made Clark who he is and why he's Superman. It wasn't very well explained.

I found this film spent a portion of this time on the military fighting against Zod. Like they don't want the hero himself to try. He's just too powerful, so lets give the humans a chance to battle Zod's soldiers.

Other time was spent on Zod and Jor-El. Notice Superman was abscent for some time during these scenes.

This film could have spent more time telling the story from the protagonist's perspective. That would have made the film all the much more relevant or make the audience able to relate to Superman more.

It's like prior to making this film, their point of view to Superman before that he was an arrogant *****e who had too much power and never understood what it meant to be human.

It's like the whole decision to make Superman kill Zod...stated in interviews from Goyer and Snyder "We wanted to find this way to explain Superman's whole adversion to killing" It's possible they mean that they think he's not relevant.

Another way of saying, "It makes no sense about Superman's opposition to killing" and "How can he be so perfect and not kill at all?"

I never saw Superman as a *****e or perfect guy. Bruce Wayne may have had his parents shot right in front of him when he was a child. But looking that character in depth, there's Batman, then Bruce Wayne who isn't so much except rich, famous and a genius and a superhero. Too much perfections if you ask me. Which is why I haven't been able to relate to Batman on those characteristics.

I want Superman to be treated with respect and not be treated in an undergraded or apologetic way. MOS delivered us a physical Superman that could kick ass. But lacked speech from Superman and his reason for being Superman.

 

[matt47]

For me MOS, all the crew members making the movie felt like they were apologizing for the way Superman was before. All this "Superman has been too perfect and needs to be more relevant" BS. I especially got tired of the "He's great but he hasn't been the easiest person to relate to."

I bet MOS could have been a better film and Superman would have been more awesome if the people approaching the film were devoted fans. Not some guys like, "Okay we're here to fix Superman to make him more relevant like Batman."

It lacked the whole what made Clark who he is and why he's Superman. It wasn't very well explained.

I found this film spent a portion of this time on the military fighting against Zod. Like they don't want the hero himself to try. He's just too powerful, so lets give the humans a chance to battle Zod's soldiers.

Other time was spent on Zod and Jor-El. Notice Superman was abscent for some time during these scenes.

This film could have spent more time telling the story from the protagonist's perspective. That would have made the film all the much more relevant or make the audience able to relate to Superman more.

It's like prior to making this film, their point of view to Superman before that he was an arrogant *****e who had too much power and never understood what it meant to be human.

It's like the whole decision to make Superman kill Zod...stated in interviews from Goyer and Snyder "We wanted to find this way to explain Superman's whole adversion to killing" It's possible they mean that they think he's not relevant.

Another way of saying, "It makes no sense about Superman's opposition to killing" and "How can he be so perfect and not kill at all?"

I never saw Superman as a *****e or perfect guy. Bruce Wayne may have had his parents shot right in front of him when he was a child. But looking that character in depth, there's Batman, then Bruce Wayne who isn't so much except rich, famous and a genius and a superhero. Too much perfections if you ask me. Which is why I haven't been able to relate to Batman on those characteristics.

I want Superman to be treated with respect and not be treated in an undergraded or apologetic way. MOS delivered us a physical Superman that could kick ass. But lacked speech from Superman and his reason for being Superman.

Totally disagree. All they did was say, "What would Superman be like if he was in a real present day world."

 

[shauner111]

Anyway, I don't want to see Aquaman/Arthur Curry have more than a glorified cameo in this film. I don't want to see Doomsday, and I find it strange that so many people do.

I dont want to see Doomsday but i find myself saying "Meh, get it over with now". Because i would rather see Brainiac in a Superman movie down the road than Doomsday, if Justice League is going to be a team threat. If Brainiac is the villain of Justice League, then ill gladly take some Lex & Doomsday for the Supes movie. But that's my dumb reason for being alright with him in this movie.

 

[The Shape]

I dont want to see Doomsday but i find myself saying "Meh, get it over with now". Because i would rather see Brainiac in a Superman movie down the road than Doomsday, if Justice League is going to be a team threat. If Brainiac is the villain of Justice League, then ill gladly take some Lex & Doomsday for the Supes movie. But that's my dumb reason for being alright with him in this movie.

Yeah, that's pretty much the last mindset anyone should have about the use of a major character in a film franchise.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Hero's girlfriend becoming the stupid unbearable biiiiich, like it happened in some of the first sequels of some CBMs.

 

[Marvin]

No Luthor land scheme and zany henchmen(s)
No Reeve impersonation
No ms Teschmacher or equivalent
No kid please
and no leaving the planet for 6 years on an unexplained whim
Should be good.

 

[WBwins]

For me MOS, all the crew members making the movie felt like they were apologizing for the way Superman was before. All this "Superman has been too perfect and needs to be more relevant" BS. I especially got tired of the "He's great but he hasn't been the easiest person to relate to."

I bet MOS could have been a better film and Superman would have been more awesome if the people approaching the film were devoted fans. Not some guys like, "Okay we're here to fix Superman to make him more relevant like Batman."

It lacked the whole what made Clark who he is and why he's Superman. It wasn't very well explained.

I found this film spent a portion of this time on the military fighting against Zod. Like they don't want the hero himself to try. He's just too powerful, so lets give the humans a chance to battle Zod's soldiers.

Other time was spent on Zod and Jor-El. Notice Superman was abscent for some time during these scenes.

This film could have spent more time telling the story from the protagonist's perspective. That would have made the film all the much more relevant or make the audience able to relate to Superman more.

It's like prior to making this film, their point of view to Superman before that he was an arrogant *****e who had too much power and never understood what it meant to be human.

It's like the whole decision to make Superman kill Zod...stated in interviews from Goyer and Snyder "We wanted to find this way to explain Superman's whole adversion to killing" It's possible they mean that they think he's not relevant.

Another way of saying, "It makes no sense about Superman's opposition to killing" and "How can he be so perfect and not kill at all?"

I never saw Superman as a *****e or perfect guy. Bruce Wayne may have had his parents shot right in front of him when he was a child. But looking that character in depth, there's Batman, then Bruce Wayne who isn't so much except rich, famous and a genius and a superhero. Too much perfections if you ask me. Which is why I haven't been able to relate to Batman on those characteristics.

I want Superman to be treated with respect and not be treated in an undergraded or apologetic way. MOS delivered us a physical Superman that could kick ass. But lacked speech from Superman and his reason for being Superman.

Dude wrong thread.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Wonder Woman
Lois sidelined
Batman being made cooler and more powerful than he is
Bruce Wayne as a male Paris Hilton ala Bale's movies
All the darn DC characters who most people haven't heard oof or give a crap about

 

[The Endless]

I don't want to see a Superman who is a miserable git burdened by his powers and his responsibilities. That isn't Superman. That's the Plutonian. Superman should be the superhero with a smile. Who embraces his role as the Earth's protector.

I don't want to see the main focus of the movie overtaken by references and future plot strands like ASM2.

I don't want the movie to try to take itself really seriously... then hand-wave things that should be taken seriously (like mass destruction of cities).

 

[godisawesome]

I'll agree with toning down the immediate hostility between Bats and Supes, especially in regards to the reason for their (almost certainly inevitable) physical confrontation. Neither character is traditionally depicted as the type of person to immediately launch into a battle with someone because of personality conflicts or an escalating verbal argument. Even Frank Miller didn't do that, and he has one of the most paranoid and openly hostile Batman and Superman characterizations of all time.

Either Superman and Batman should have some legitimate reason to come to blows that simmers under the surface before their fight, or we see Lex Luthor pull a master-class in deception and manipulation. But it should be clear that both men are too mature to launch into fisticuffs.

Also, the obnoxiously deceptive caricature Clark Kent should never rear his head here. And no superhuman threats that are both a) still perfectly suseptible to regular human cops or army officers and b) still treated as something worthy of nuking a city over at the same time.

 

[bluearth]

- The Batman and Superman fight ending in a 'draw' or getting interrupted before someone wins. There needs to be a clear winner.

- Eisenberg's Luthor being too much of a wiseguy and not enough of a cunning businessman

- A cliffhanger ending

- An aquaman that tries too hard to be cool

- A Chris Terrio script that emphasizes dialogue over action. Theres nothing wrong with less action and more dialogue then Man of Steel, but we better not go into Mockingjay part 1 territory

- Marvel Studios level comedy. Nothing wrong with more comedy then Man of Steel, but we dont need constant jokes ruining any tension or weight the film may build up.

- Luthor figures out Clark's identity

- A run time under 150 minutes

- An overly violent/brutal Batman

Thats it for now

 

[Bathead]

- The Batman and Superman fight ending in a 'draw' or getting interrupted before someone wins. There needs to be a clear winner.

What possible reason would there even for that other than satisfying one group of fanboys over another. Definitely don't want to see a "clear winner" in this movie.

 

[bluearth]

What possible reason would there even for that other than satisfying one group of fanboys over another. Definitely don't want to see a "clear winner" in this movie.

Batman needs to win the fight soundly for a few reasons

- It solidifies his place as a worthy member of the Justice League among Superhumans/aliens

- Superman getting beat by Batman on the big screen would be a very memorable moment. A draw/interrupted fight would not be.

 

[Bathead]

Batman needs to win the fight soundly for a few reasons

- It solidifies his place as a worthy member of the Justice League among Superhumans/aliens- Superman getting beat by Batman on the big screen would be a very memorable moment. A draw/interrupted fight would not be.

And that could be done easily by Batman being shown to be Superman's equal, which can be accomplished by a draw.