LOGAN by BKV and Risso

[PWN3R]

What I personally want to see BKV on would be something like Ultimate X-Men where he can bring back some of Runaways teen drama.

You have read is run on Ultimate X-Men right? That book was really kicking when he was on board. So much fun. It's a shame to look how far down it's has fallen now with him gone.

 

[Not Jake]

You'd rather read a Wolverine book then a BKV written Runaways book?

I would rather read a BKV-written Wolverine book than a BKV-written Runaways book.


I bought the first 5 Runaways digests. Solid but unspectacular. The first one was OK, and I just kept buying 'em 'cause they were cheap and just barely interesting enough to pique my interest. The best one is the one in New York when they interact with other heroes. Anyway, BKV's worst book of the last few years as far as I can tell. Not trying to say it's bad, but I'd rather read Ex and Y. Pride of Baghdad was better than Runaways too. Haven't read Doc Strange yet.

 

[Not Jake]

Don't get me wrong, I know Wolverine is a good character. The issue some of us feel is he's been overexposed for so long that his appeal is lessoned. It was from "can't get enough" to "take a vacation". Popularity ruined him to some degree, because you can't be an underdog and an A-Lister at the same time.

Exactly, I mean, he's great in Astonishing. He has a lesser role, seems to be written in a generally better mood than elsewhere, and actually falls down when shot in the stomach, or needs to take about an hour to heal up. If BKV writes him like that, which I think he will--Logan will be a good mini.

 

[Not Jake]

Gross, I agreed with Dread.

 

[PhotoJones]

I would rather read a BKV-written Wolverine book than a BKV-written Runaways book.

Hmm...well, I doubt you're going to find many people to agree with you there.

 

[Not Jake]

Not that I was looking for people to agree with me, but I think outside of message boards, many more people will agree with me than with you. And that will be shown with sales. What a dumb thing you just said.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Not to say it won't be good, but usually, Mediocre Wolverine stories will outsell better stories with lower rep characters.

If recent "Wolverine: Origins" and "Wolverine" numbers are any indication, awful Wolverine stories will outsell great stories with lesser rep characters.

 

[PhotoJones]

Not that I was looking for people to agree with me, but I think outside of message boards, many more people will agree with me than with you. And that will be shown with sales. What a dumb thing you just said.

HAHA! Oh my God, Not Jake just pulled a Horrorfan and justified his bad taste in comics by pulling out the sales card. Ha ha. Nice one.

 

[Not Jake]

Mmm hmm. I guess wanting to read Wolverine written well means I have a bad taste in comics. You win this round photojones

 

[PhotoJones]

Mmm hmm. I guess wanting to read Wolverine written well means I have a bad taste in comics.

Justifiying your opinions by using sales figures pretty much tips the hat, NJ.

 

[Dread]

Quite true, Dread. That is the problem with the monthlies. Everyone flies off the handle with their oppinions after every issue, or sadly, in a lot of cases before the issue even comes out. Not many people can sit back and look at the big picture.

You just don't see people judging novels on a chapter by chapter basis.

Batman is horribly overexposed, but if you know how to wade through the crap you'll do fine. I'm immensley loving Batman in his self titled series along with Detective Comics and JLA.

Despite all the whining and crying that goes on in message boards, it's a great time to be a comic book fan. Wait for the nineties to come back before you start complaining.

Some trends of the 90's have returned. Fortunately writing quality by and large has improved somewhat. Different talent aboard and all that.

Market realities can create much overexposure; as you hinted, Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and others are equally overexposed, some even moreso. I read the Paul Dini DETECTIVE issues.

You have read is run on Ultimate X-Men right? That book was really kicking when he was on board. So much fun. It's a shame to look how far down it's has fallen now with him gone.

True words, man. BKV's run was the last run on that book I anticipated eagerly. Kirkman is great on literally every other book he does, but on that one, ironically, his best selling, he seems at a loss. He just doesn't mesh well. He tries valiently, and he has some direction, but the direction isn't what it should be to me. I mean here in Ultimate X-Men you have a world without M-Day, where the major characters are still on the cast, an actual mutant community, where you have fresh territory for new ideas, ideas that perhaps should have been in place years ago, ideas hinted at in 616 runs like Morrison that have been undone. Instead, we get Magician, Time-Travellers, hints of aliens, and an assembly line of rehashed F-Listers like Stryfe and Zero. Plus, aside for Raney and Paquette, his run has been littered with sub-par art. BKV had a stronger sense of direction and when he "Ultimitized" someone, they had more draw or a hook or something, like Longshot. Kirkman hasn't tried to reinvent the wheel on that book, but his stuff on it seems like he is trying anything and seeing what sticks.

Exactly, I mean, he's great in Astonishing. He has a lesser role, seems to be written in a generally better mood than elsewhere, and actually falls down when shot in the stomach, or needs to take about an hour to heal up. If BKV writes him like that, which I think he will--Logan will be a good mini.

Indeed.

Gross, I agreed with Dread.

It was bound to happen eventually. I won't tell anyone if you won't.

 

[Not Jake]

Justifiying your opinions by using sales figures pretty tips the hat, NJ.

It does? It's the first time I've ever done it, and it's because you said something completely ******ed. I wasn't fishing for people to agree with me. Also you used the word "people," and not "posters on this message board." I think that makes my answer pretty, pretty, pretty acceptable.

You're being unreasonably gay to me because of something I said a couple weeks ago. And when I say unreasonably, I don't mean that your level of dislike for me is unreasonable, I mean that your posts (like the above) antagonizing me are devoid of reason. Why would you even say something like durr I don't think many peepull will agree with you there. So, in response, I just stated that despite your ominous demographical forecast, people, will, in fact, agree with me. Also, as an aside, I am going to stick my penis into the face of Mike Wieringo's corpse and tell him he's a worthless ****e. Yeah, I may be gross, but I'm a pretty good judge of character.


Do you think he's in hell for being a **** or because he never figured out how to draw legs right. I hope the second.

 

[fifthfiend]

The problem with citing sales figures as proof of anything comics-related is that half the people buying Wolverine are completion-junkies who knowingly buy crap because they consider that preferable to not owning every single Wolverine comic ever written, and the other half are Wolverine junkies who don't know or care who's writing the comics as long as it's a Wolverine comic starring Wolverine, and contains at least six dozen repetitions of the sound effect "snikt."

As in this instance we necessarily have to be working from a sample comprising whatever fraction of the overall comics audience actually knows and cares about the work of Brian K. Vaughn, it's probably a safe bet that said sample would largely prefer to see him writing Runaways.

...Although with Vaughn, there's at least some margin of chance in there that he'll just turn in 22 pages a month of Wolverine getting the tar beaten out of him by 12-year-old girls, in which case I would absolutely and without reservation prefer to see Vaughn writing Wolverine.

 

[Not Jake]

Audience who cares about BKV has to mingle with the vastly greater audience who likes Wolverine, meaning there is overlap in that sample. How many people do you think didn't read Runaways because they didn't want to read a teen book. BKV fans who read mature line titles, Ex and Y. Maybe they'll buy the book with him on a major character, in a more violent vein.

 

[PhotoJones]

It does? It's the first time I've ever done it, and it's because you said something completely ******ed. I wasn't fishing for people to agree with me. Also you used the word "people," and not "posters on this message board." I think that makes my answer pretty, pretty, pretty acceptable.

You're being unreasonably gay to me because of something I said a couple weeks ago. And when I say unreasonably, I don't mean that your level of dislike for me is unreasonable, I mean that your posts (like the above) antagonizing me are devoid of reason. Why would you even say something like durr I don't think many peepull will agree with you there. So, in response, I just stated that despite your ominous demographical forecast, people, will, in fact, agree with me. Also, as an aside, I am going to stick my penis into the face of Mike Wieringo's corpse and tell him he's a worthless ****e. Yeah, I may be gross, but I'm a pretty good judge of character.


Do you think he's in hell for being a **** or because he never figured out how to draw legs right. I hope the second.

This is what happens when I make a comment about how I think more people would want to see BKV do Runaways again then do a Wolverine mini? Yikes.

 

[Not Jake]

I know! People these days.

 

[fifthfiend]

Audience who cares about BKV has to mingle with the vastly greater audience who likes Wolverine, meaning there is overlap in that sample.

There's no reason at all to assume such an overlap, at least not to any significant degree. Vaughn writes books that are wildly different in style and content from typical Wolverine fare, and the one appearance of Wolverine in one of his books had him get one-timed by a 12-year-old girl.

I mean your argument is analagous to saying "because there are many more football fans than chess fans, this must mean that a majority of chess fans are also football fans."

BKV fans who read mature line titles, Ex and Y. Maybe they'll buy the book with him on a major character, in a more violent vein.

We're not talking about what people would buy, we're talking about what they would prefer to buy. I would probably give a BKV-penned Wolverine a flip-through, at least in hopes of the aforementioned asswhipping by 12-year-old, but I'd much much rather see him writing Runaways.

 

[Not Jake]

My argument isn't analogous to your football one

just because there are more football than chess fans doesn't mean that the majority of chess fans like football, I know. But! If Wolverine = football and BKV = chess, then say Runaways = I don't know. Candyland? Runaways is in itself a niche book, geared towards a younger audience. Even if written competently

 

[PhotoJones]

I know! People these days.

By the way, thanks for impersonating me yesterday and getting banned for it.

 

[Not Jake]

what

 

[PhotoJones]

Aw...he's playing coy.

 

[Not Jake]

Hadn't heard about it. If I do something, I'll brag about it. Someone back me up here. Corp, Darthphere?

 

[PhotoJones]

Your IP address heard about it.

 

[Not Jake]

Really?

Swear to God man, didn't do it. Can you link me to a post?

 

[PhotoJones]

Stop it.