London Terror Plot

[kainedamo]

the question is WHY scotland?

Because its part of the UK.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Arrested After Car on Fire Rams Glasgow Terminal
Saturday, June 30, 200

GLASGOW, Scotland — Two men rammed a flaming Jeep Cherokee into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing into the glass doors at the entrance in what appeared to be the third attempted terror attack on Britain in two days, witnesses said.
Police wrestled the two men to the ground -- one of them engulfed in flames -- arresting both and taking one to the hospital.
There were no reports of injuries but the airport -- Scotland's largest -- was evacuated and all flights suspended, a day after British police thwarted a plot to bomb central London, discovering two cars abandoned with loads of gasoline, gas canisters and nails. Hundreds fled screaming from the terminal as one of the men poured gasoline over the Jeep and tried to force it further inside the terminal, one witness said.
"One has to conclude ... these are linked," Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, former head of Britain's joint intelligence committee, told Sky News. "This is a very young government, and we may yet see further attacks."
Britain's prime minister, Gordon Brown, a Scot who took office only Wednesday, was holding a meeting of the government crisis committee later Saturday and was being kept updated by officials, Downing Street said.

A British government security official said the incident was being treated as "possibly terrorist related at this stage." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.
Security officials had no direct intelligence linking the incident to the thwarted plot to bomb London but "are keeping an open mind," the official said.
President Bush's spokesman, Tony Snow, said some airports in the United States would tighten security in response to the events in Britain but the terror alert status would not change.
"The most you're going to see right now is some inconvenience -- some increased inconvenience of airline passengers, more likely at large airports than small," Snow said.
In Glasgow, the green SUV barreled toward the building shortly after 3 p.m., hitting security barriers before crashing into the glass doors and exploding, witnesses said. Two men were in the burning vehicle, one of them engulfed in flames, they said.
"The car came speeding past at about 30 mph. It was approaching the building quickly," said Scott Leeson, who was nearby. "Then the driver swerved the car around so he could ram straight in to the door. He must have been trying to smash straight through."
Lynsey McBean, who was at the terminal, said one of the men took out a plastic gasoline canister and poured a liquid under the car. "He then set light to it," said McBean, 26, from Erskine, Scotland. She said the Jeep struck the front door but got jammed.
"They were obviously trying to get it further inside the airport as the wheels were spinning and smoke was coming from them," she said.
Two men were arrested at the scene, and one of whom was taken to the hospital, Strathclyde Police spokeswoman Lisa O'Neil said in Glasgow. Sky Television News later reported that the Royal Alexandra Hospital was later evacuated.
Passengers fled running and screaming from the busy terminal, Margaret Hughes told the British Broadcasting Corp. "There was black smoke gushing out where the car had obviously been driven into the airport," she said.
Flames and black smoke rose from the vehicle outside the main entrance. Police said it was unclear if anyone was injured. Other passengers were stranded, with at least one airplane grounded on the runway, the BBC said.
Bush was being keep abreast of the events in London and Scotland.
"We're in contact with British authorities on the matter," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council.
The crash at Glasgow airport comes exactly a week before the second anniversary of the July 7 bombings that killed 52 people.
Leeson said bollards -- security posts outside the entrance -- stopped the driver from barreling into the bustling terminal at Glasgow's airport.
"He's trying to get through the main door frame but the bollards have stopped him from going through. If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.
Two men -- one of them engulfed in flames -- were in the SUV, witnesses said.
Helen Boaden, a BBC News executive who was at the airport at time, said police "wrestled him to the ground -- the fire was burning through his clothes -- and finally put him out with a fire extinguisher."
Another witness, Fiona Tracey, described a "bang" coming from the SUV. The vehicle was on fire and "every now and again there was a bang coming off it. ... There was definitely a bang," she told Sky News television.
But Richard Grey, also at the terminal, said the car did not explode. "There were a few pops and bangs that seemed to be the tires and the petrol."
In the London attempt, one car was abandoned outside a nightclub on Haymarket, a busy street of shops, clubs, theaters and restaurants just yards from Trafalgar Square and Piccadilly Circus.
The other had been towed after being parked illegally on a nearby street and was discovered in an impound lot about a mile away near Hyde Park.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorism chief, said the two devices could have caused "significant injury or loss of life."
"London on the Edge" said the front-page headline in The Independent newspaper while the Daily Mail wondered, "Where's the Next Bomb?"
Mayor Ken Livingstone urged Londoners to remain vigilant.
"The discovery of two potential car bombs in central London, with those responsible still at large, means we face a very real threat of terrorist attack at this moment in time," he said.
The Times newspaper reported that police distributed a document to nightclubs two weeks ago warning of the threat from "vehicle-borne explosive devices" -- car bombs. The document, prepared by the National Counterterrorism Security Office, took the form of general counterterrorism advice for British clubs.
Intelligence officials were examining a post to an Islamist Web site -- hours before the cars were found -- that suggested Britain would be attacked for awarding a knighthood to the novelist Salman Rushdie and for intervening in Muslim countries.

 

[black_dust]

Because its part of the UK.

and a easy target

 

[Memphis Slim]

the question is WHY scotland?

Why Denmark? Why France? Why Spain? Why Gaza? Why Zambia?

Why Indonesia??

Dude, Why anywhere???


But I'm sure it's the IRA........gotta be.

 

[chamber-music]

Damn. You do not want to get on the wrong side of the scottish. They can hold a grudge for ever. The scots still dislike the english for stuff from 300 years ago.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

But I'm sure it's the IRA........gotta be.

let's look at the difference in statements.

Celldog : Oh NOES!!! gotz to be teh Musl1ms LOL!!!!

Rational People: : It could also be the IRA.

Celldog : LOL, no It was teh muslims, I feel it my heart!!!:heart::heart::heart:

 

[Mr. Thing]

and a easy target

And Gordon Brown is Scottish, and the Queen was in Edinburgh opening the Parliament.

 

[kainedamo]

let's look at the difference in statements.

Celldog : Oh NOES!!! gotz to be teh Musl1ms LOL!!!!

Rational People: : It could also be the IRA.

Celldog : LOL, no It was teh muslims, I feel it my heart!!!:heart::heart::heart:

To be fair, its incredibly unlikely that it was the IRA. Like I said before, they ain't done **** in years and have destroyed all their weapons and have made several public statements saying the war is over.

 

[black_dust]

And Gordon Brown is Scottish, and the Queen was in Edinburgh opening the Parliament.

Indeed, im dreading 2012.......

 

[Addendum]

Hmm.

The first attempted "terror attack" consisted of a car with gasoline, a propane canister and nails and supposedly was going to be ignited by a cellphone call. It didn't. If someone was in the car if that makeshift bomb exploded, they would have died. Everyone else, at worst, would have ringing in the ears.

The flaming Jeep at worst would have killed the people in the Jeep, if it blew up with them in it, and would have again caused that annoying ringing in the ears for everyone else.

That flaming Jeep would not have caused the airport to blow up, just like that JFK "attack" would not have caused the fuel line to ignite like a fuse.

 

[gildea]

let's look at the difference in statements.

Celldog : Oh NOES!!! gotz to be teh Musl1ms LOL!!!!

Rational People: : It could also be the IRA.

Celldog : LOL, no It was teh muslims, I feel it my heart!!!:heart::heart::heart:

No rational person would think it was the IRA.

 

[gildea]

again dude, you do KNOW that BEFORE muslims, the IRA and PIRA did a lot of **** in England, to the point where in 2002 Irish terrorism was more of a concern than Middle easterners going to claim thei 70 virgins.:

I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain the IRA have never committed an overt terrorist attack on scotland. You may not make a distinction between england and scotland but the IRA certainly will.

 

[04nbod]

And Gordon Brown is Scottish, and the Queen was in Edinburgh opening the Parliament.

i agree. This is to draw attention after a changeover of power. Getting gordon brown in his heartland.

 

[chamber-music]

If the people doing this turn out to be British Citzens of ethnic descent the Daily Mail is gonna have a field day. I can see the headlines about immagration now.

 

[gildea]

If the people doing this turn out to be British Citzens of ethnic descent the Daily Mail is gonna have a field day. I can see the headlines about immagration now.

They'll have the field day regardless. Ugh such blantantly racist journalism, it sickens me.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No rational person would think it was the IRA.

really?
okay, explain why.
I mean, the attacks themselves are uncoordinated and don't have the wide range of destruction that the AL-quaeda related attacks have had.
plus the attackers seem more than concerned with their safety as opposed to the obvious penchant for martyrdom that the Al-quaeda dudes are famous for showing.
both IRA and many Offshoots have been attacking england and it's interests for las few decades before Muslims were even a concern.
the possibility on both sides of it being a copycat "wannabe" attack by either side of the spectrum is there, though specific signs point to neither.
care to show why not though? this might get interesting.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain the IRA have never committed an overt terrorist attack on scotland. You may not make a distinction between england and scotland but the IRA certainly will.

I make a distinction between England and scotland.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

To be fair, its incredibly unlikely that it was the IRA. Like I said before, they ain't done **** in years and have destroyed all their weapons and have made several public statements saying the war is over.

Ok, so I went to check because last time I heard anything it was said that PIRA was the new IRA, BUT, they were declassified as a threat in october of last year.
so then, yeah, it is unlikely that it was Irish interests at play here, regardless though the "attacks" are pretty clumsy and uncharacteristic of any true Terrorism organization.
I call shenanigans either way.

 

[The Question]

To be fair, its incredibly unlikely that it was the IRA. Like I said before, they ain't done **** in years and have destroyed all their weapons and have made several public statements saying the war is over.

There are still militant Irish groups calling themselves the IRA. Mostly former IRA members who's response to "our war is over" was "**** that ****."

 

[gildea]

really?
okay, explain why.
I mean, the attacks themselves are uncoordinated and don't have the wide range of destruction that the AL-quaeda related attacks have had.
plus the attackers seem more than concerned with their safety as opposed to the obvious penchant for martyrdom that the Al-quaeda dudes are famous for showing.
both IRA and many Offshoots have been attacking england and it's interests for las few decades before Muslims were even a concern.
the possibility on both sides of it being a copycat "wannabe" attack by either side of the spectrum is there, though specific signs point to neither.
care to show why not though? this might get interesting.

Many reasons:

1. The IRA wouldn't attack SCOTLAND because it's not ENGLAND. Us scots are under the english "tyranny" just as much as the northern ireland. (not wanting to start a debate on this I appreciate there are differences in our respective expriences). The IRA have a policy of not attacking scotland or wales actually (it's in the WIKI)

To appreciate the difference you'd probably have to live in the UK

2. Traditionally the IRA give warnings over the phone before the bomb goes off.

3. This had the hallmarks of a suicide attack (ie occupants driving a flaming vechile) not the IRA's mo.

4. The IRA actually (for a variety of reasons) have a large "fanbase" in glasgow a random attack like this could actualy hurt their own.

5. The IRA were, in general, better organised than this rather tragic attempt.

6. It's scotland not england

7. It's scotland not england

8. It's scotland not england

9. It's scotland not england

10. It's scotland not england


(I should point out I'm only discussing the glasgow thing today)

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Many reasons:

1. The IRA wouldn't attack SCOTLAND because it's not ENGLAND. Us scots are under the english "tyranny" just as much as the northern ireland. (not wanting to start a debate on this I appreciate there are differences in our respective expriences). The IRA have a policy of not attacking scotland or wales actually (it's in the WIKI)

To appreciate the difference you'd probably have to live in the UK

2. Traditionally the IRA give warnings over the phone before the bomb goes off.

3. This had the hallmarks of a suicide attack (ie occupants driving a flaming vechile) not the IRA's mo.

4. The IRA actually (for a variety of reasons) have a large "fanbase" in glasgow a random attack like this could actualy hurt their own.

5. The IRA were, in general, better organised than this rather tragic attempt.

6. It's scotland not england

7. It's scotland not england

8. It's scotland not england

9. It's scotland not england

10. It's scotland not england

regardless of that I just pretty much admitted that my prime suspect was shall we say, decommissioned a few months ago.
so yeah, aside from the fact that you should really capitalize Scotland,
you are correct. I apologize.
so to be fair, the attacks are really kind of dumb and lack the feel of any real "terroristy"interests.
this is getting a little old to me. but whatever.
I was originally thinking of the London attacks, but if these are ALL connected, then yes.
however if they are connected it makes everything even more suspect to me.

 

[chamber-music]

Cool Prime Minister Gordon Browns emergency committee is called Cobra.
It shouldn't be too hard to find info on the scottish terrorists, like where the hell do you get a Cherokee Jeep in Scotland?

 

[Addendum]

Cool Prime Minister Gordon Browns emergency committee is called Cobra.
It shouldn't be too hard to find info on the scottish terrorists, like where the hell do you get a Cherokee Jeep in Scotland?

http://www.allapprovedcars.com/Used-Jeep-Cars-Scotland-crpLT3LI8UMI286ST1-MO.aspx

 

[The Question]

Ok, so I went to check because last time I heard anything it was said that PIRA was the new IRA, BUT, they were declassified as a threat in october of last year.
so then, yeah, it is unlikely that it was Irish interests at play here, regardless though the "attacks" are pretty clumsy and uncharacteristic of any true Terrorism organization.
I call shenanigans either way.

The PIRA called an indefinite ceasefire in 1994, called it off in '96, and reinstaed it in '97 when they started going through peace negotiations. However, a splinter group, the "Real Irish Republican Army," broke off in '97 due to their disaproval of the peace process, and are the only IRA active as terrorists today. Their last atacks were a series of firebombings in '06, followed by a failed mortar atack on a train station a few months later. The reason I brought them up in the first place was simply because the first atempted car bombing sounded alot like a car bombing the RIRA pulled in '98 in the town of Omagh in Northern Ireland. Thought they might be reusing old tactics, since the Omagh bombing was fairly effective. Killed 29 people and injured 220 others.

 

[gildea]

Cool Prime Minister Gordon Browns emergency committee is called Cobra.
It shouldn't be too hard to find info on the scottish terrorists, like where the hell do you get a Cherokee Jeep in Scotland?

At a car shop I'm guessing, not quite sure how you usually get cars where ever you're from.

Giving that they have two people in custody I think it would be slightly easier to interrogate them than going round car shops