Batman Begins Lost Scenes :(

[The Only Woj]

This may have been covered elsewhere, but I am too lazy and toooo busy to go looking for it. I just opened the BB Visual Guide looking for something to draw for my life drawing class final projects (urgh!) and on 54/55 there is the lit shot of Batman walking the hall in Arkham (same as the one we see him running through with the bats later). Now, could this have been something cut? Really, there isn't much need for it, especially already running at 2+ hours, but I'd have liked to see it.

Anyway, reason for the post is the "rescuing rachel isn't easy, especially when the Scarecrow's fear gas makes her see Batman as a winged demon! As Rachel lashes out at him, the Dark Knight has no choice but to apply a nerve pinch to Rachel's neck, rendering her unconscious and ready for transport". The picture included seems proof enough that it was filmed.

Again, maybe no need ... but I reallly wonder what the deal was with Nolan cutting demon Batman (and Stage 2).

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wasn't Nolan......he doesn't edit film. That's why film editors get paid to work.

I dunno, though.....Nolan didn't complain....and the film was incredible....so no big deal, I think.

Are there atleast SOME missing scenes? Yeah.....but I don't think anything that would actually change the entire film.

Post some pics of this scene though.....it does sound familar, I think I may have seen the pic.

 

[The Only Woj]

in the book it's just a picture (from behind) of Batman holding Rachel going through a gate (inside Arkham).

it was Nolan's vision, not the whichever editor was physically making the cut; maybe he just felt those elements were too out there for his 'grounded' movie.

 

[Katsuro]

Wasn't Nolan......he doesn't edit film. That's why film editors get paid to work.

I dunno, though.....Nolan didn't complain....and the film was incredible....so no big deal, I think.

Are there atleast SOME missing scenes? Yeah.....but I don't think anything that would actually change the entire film.

Post some pics of this scene though.....it does sound familar, I think I may have seen the pic.

If a scene was cut, then it was Nolan's (or the studio's) decision. Editors do the technical work, but they cant make creative decisions like cutting scenes.

Also, Nolan has said that the film that was released is exactly what he wanted to create, which is why we wont ever see a Director's Cut. The film we got is a Director's Cut, so anything that was removed from the film was the decision of Nolan because he believed it made the movie better. Who knows why he didn't like the Stage 2 Scarecrow scene. Personally I hope it's used in the sequel, and not as a fear gas effect. I hope the mask was burned to his face by the taser, and that when we next see him he's more like Scarecrow from the comics.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's practically a certainty that the studio edited it.

Thing is, some directors film stuff.....and might not give edits enough chance to change.

There were things cut.......ya just know WB is planning to cash in on it with the SE.

Director's Cut? That's reaching waaaayyyyy too far. That would imply atleast an extension or different ending or something major.....which I doubt. Just a few scenes here and there that are gone. That's all.

 

[Katsuro]

It's practically a certainty that the studio edited it.

Thing is, some directors film stuff.....and might not give edits enough chance to change.

There were things cut.......ya just know WB is planning to cash in on it with the SE.

Director's Cut? That's reaching waaaayyyyy too far. That would imply atleast an extension or different ending or something major.....which I doubt. Just a few scenes here and there that are gone. That's all.

Not according to Nolan. He said the movie we saw is exactly what he wanted. It's exactly what he envisioned, and anything that was filmed then cut was done so by him because he himself thought it didn't work for the movie. Perhaps it didnt pace well with the rest of the film, or just didn't fit with the theme, but whatever reason, it was his choice, no one elses.

 

[The Kid]

I don't believe him. Why would he tell the truth when that'd probably mean bad business. It's hollywood, everybody lies in interviews and stuff to sell the product. That's what I've been taught.

 

[zer00]

The only thing I want to see put in that...just should not have been edited

Is all the extended fear gas sequences with crow. We've seen glimpses of them even down to different angles that all around makes him a better villian. And Stage 2 Crow which is a damn shame we've seen nothing of it.

There is still enough of WB wanted to release an extended cut of BB. And with sequel tie-ins you never know. Odder things have happened

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Every film gets edited.....the studio just does it. Even if it's minimal. I highly doubt that Nolan had total control over EVERYTHING. Nobody ever does.

I mean.....am I to actually believe that he casted Holmes of his absolute choice? That the studio had absolutley no influence on her getting cast? Please........we're too smart to not notice. Every actor on the cast makes sense...except her. Obviosuly, nobody expected her to get "Cruised".....but she was on the rise before it.

There were some extra footage of the Scarecrow elevator scene, where we some nasty maggots fall off his face right before he goes and swipes Rachel.

Again....Nothing major. From what I've seen, small scenes were taken out...nothing that would qualify a different CUT. But, things that might look mighty fine when added to a nicely packaged Special Edition. And ya know what.....I'll be one of the first in line to buy it.

 

[zer00]

I wouldn't mind a better DVD anyway. I know there was more than the scarecrow stuff taken out. Really only 3 other scenes. The only described above. Bruce on the train(would have been nice to see if only for the YO reference) and I forget the other. OF course there are the extended bits but besides Demon-Bat and Crow nothing that adds to the film.

the only ones that I think would add to the film are the extended scenes with Scarecrow to make him more menacingly. I mean the extra bits we saw from the Falcone scene would have made it sooooo much better than it was. And of course Stage 2 would have made him a villian almost on par with Ra's in normal people's minds. So I hope we atleast see him a bit in the sequel and throw that stuff in there.

WB could have seen it and thought parents might complain and asked for it to be removed. WB does own the film. Nolan made it yes. But WB can still get final word on things. Hence Holmes(who I thought did decently in the role...though that constant smile bugged the **** out of me, I understand where she was going in certain scenes but in others it was just....distracting)

 

[zer00]

*waits for motown*

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think the other scene was when Bruce walked out of the mansion with rope, ready to explore the cavern....and he walked past the greenhouse. I saw pics of him standing inside, most likely remembering right before he fell into the cave when he was playing with Rachel.

 

[zer00]

That be it

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah. I think I heard there may have been a few other small scenes, like Bruce testing out the cape in the batcave.........I'd buy that being cut, it would ruin the overall debut of the costume for audiences later.

Another one might have been the moving of the Tumbler from the Wayne Enterprises Warehouse.

 

[zer00]

No those aren't scenes.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Or are they.....? Thum thum thummmmmmmmmmm.......lol.....

I do wonder, what other stuff could they squeeze onto a Special Edition DVD?

Deleted scenes.
Trailers (although I doubt they'll put all 12 or 15 of them)
commentary w/ Nolan
commentary w/ Goyer maybe? Maybe Bale and rest of cast?

Could they muster up anymore features? Those are pretty cool extras, but wouldn't exactly justify SE.

 

[zer00]

Nolan said he didn't like doing commentary.

Goyer on the other hand has done commentary on all 3 Blade movies. He's quite good at it. So just him by himself would be nice. I love commentary and was pissed that none was included, I was so happy when the report came out that Nolan and Goyer did a commentary. That was the last we'd heard of it

I'm sure there will be a re-release around the time of the sequel. People still go into stores around here asking for the DE DVD. Probobly gets annoying to the people who work there

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, the reason I had heard behind him not doing commentary was b/c he didn't feel it was finished. Apprently, atleast I believe I read it in his interview and reason behind not doing it, the commentary for the DVD release is done pretty much during post production. I'd buy it, too, since films get released only like 4 months after it had been in theaters. I think he also had this thing about having to talk about a movie he had made, without any actual feedback from fans and audiences. They made sense to me.

I figure, Nolan had whatever feelings about doing it....WB felt it would help save commentary for a SE, make more money, so no big deal.

That's whaI figure. With movies making MORE money on DVD than they do in theaters, makes sense.

 

[zer00]

Yeah I agree. All in all I think almost everyone can agree there will be some form of DVD in time for the sequel. For promotion and a little extra cash, nothing wrong with that. A commentary from someone would be nice though.

 

[Katsuro]

I've read that the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray version of Batman Begins will have some nice extra features, including a Picture-in-picture commentary by Bale on the film. Who knows, maybe they'll put some deleted scenes in there.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah. I mean......have you seen the promotion for MI: III? They're releasing a Collector Special Edition of a film that was out in 1996. I must have been like 11, then......so they're promoting the third film with the first film dvd.

Studios do that stuff....funny, how money helps people dig up stuff to make more money. Hmmmmm..........

Yeah, there will be a SE edition......and it'll probably be out right before the sequel, help hype it.

 

[DCW]

This the picture you're talking abuotThe Only Woj?

 

[zer00]

I've read that the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray version of Batman Begins will have some nice extra features, including a Picture-in-picture commentary by Bale on the film. Who knows, maybe they'll put some deleted scenes in there.

Shame that they're asting that stuff on a format that probobly won't take off.

Least not for another 5 years or so

 

[Avid Fan]

 

[Macphisto]