The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[Spider-Fan]

For me it implied Luke had given R2 most of the map in case he needed to be found to rejoin the fight. The flashback of Luke touching R2 for was when he gave him the map, and dropped he missing piece off to MVS.

It implied to me he was ready to rejoin the fight if needed and he wasn't off disappearing, but trying to get a greater weapon to defeat Snoke and Ren.

That doesn't ring true to me either because if his plan was to rejoin the fight at a later point in time, why not tell Leia or Han where he was going? Han's expression made it seem like he had no hope Luke was coming back. Why make some convoluted map? It just doesn't make any sense to me. The map was just an excuse to save Luke for a later movie and to tease fans. But in the narrative, it just didn't make much sense.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And it would have been just another lightsaber fight. What we got was better. He outsmarted him on every level.

"I would have been find with like what we got between Rey and Luke earlier in the movie...

Except we already had that scene with Rey and Luke. What do it again?

As the scene with Rey was fleeting, him doing it to Kylo in front of his fleet would have been good show of superiority for me.

We got more than a fight. We got a view of the sheer power of the Force that no one had ever seen before. And he didn't even have to pick up a lightsaber.

I'll be honest I was on board with what we got until it shiwed what happened to Luke afterwards, that ruined it for me.

That's boring.



Still boring.

We have different definitions of boring.

Except that it doesn't. The entire First Order saw their Supreme Leader get fooled by a Jedi - far from the last - by showing powers far greater than his. They were all about destroying Luke because they thought once he was gone the Jedi would go with him, except that Luke's act inspires a new generation of Jedi that's far more formidable to the First Order.

But the thing is, all Kylo has to do is force choke/kill a few officers and the First Order will be back to following him. It will effect Kylo, I get that, but I don't see the big effect it will have on TFO personally.

He lost the nephew his family trusted him with. People died because of his failure. That has to weigh on him, you see it when Rey finds him at the end of the movie. That was solitude, not gearing up for Round 2.

Again, it didn't imply solitude to me, Luke's attitude in that moment was purposefully left ambiguous. I imagine it did weigh on him heavily, but I don't see Luke giving up because of it and letting the rest of his friends and family suffer and die for years due to it.

 

[random_havoc]

My favorite part of The Last Jedi is when Jar Jar farts during Luke's standoff in front of obvious green screen.

You're using a straw man fallacy here (that or you misunderstood in an really dumb way, but I don't think that's the case).
Obviously I wasn't saying TLJ has the same flaws as Phantom Menace, I said they're the same in that with both movies they have glaring flaws that a bunch of people came out and are completely ignoring because they don't want to admit it.

And I just don't get that. You can still like a movie that's not great (or bad as I think it is). For example I know Justice League is objectively bad in many ways, but I still like it because they FINALLY (took them 3 movies) got Superman right.

For flaws other than them terribly messing up Luke, THE MAIN HERO OF THE ORIGINAL MOVIES (again, as Hamill himself said publicly more than once), see the last post, and other bad writing

 

[random_havoc]

I'll be honest I was on board with what we got until it shiwed what happened to Luke afterwards, that ruined it for me.

SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!


YES!!!!!!!
My brother, during the movie, literally looked at each other when they revealed Luke wasn't there and both said "that was cool". And then he's just dead anyway? What the heck was the point then? It took a cool moment and made it pointless and ruined it, SO stupid! And he died from what? Force strain?! Also so stupid! People can throw multiple people around with the force, even summon lightning out of thin air for long periods of time, and they're fine, but Luke manages to kill himself. So dumb

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That doesn't ring true to me either because if his plan was to rejoin the fight at a later point in time, why not tell Leia or Han where he was going? Han's expression made it seem like he had no hope Luke was coming back. Why make some convoluted map? It just doesn't make any sense to me. The map was just an excuse to save Luke for a later movie and to tease fans. But in the narrative, it just didn't make much sense.

I thought he didn't tell Han and Leia due to his shame of what happened to Ben. But he left R2 with the map for a reason for me.

 

[Brother Jack]

And none of that is told in either movie because it's just one more way in which they were badly written. Why'd R2 power back on? Never told? How'd BB8 get the coordinates to where Luke is? Never told. How'd R2 get the other part of the map? Never told. Who was Snoke? (one of the TWO BIG MYSTERIES IN EPISODE 7!!!) Never told.
Repeated and obvious bad writing that fans of the movies like to ignore

BB-8 got it from Poe who got it from Lor San Tekka, an old explorer who got it from Luke.

 

[danoyse]

I thought he didn't tell Han and Leia due to his shame of what happened to Ben. But he left R2 with the map for a reason for me.

But then why did R2 wait all of that time to reveal the rest of the map?

 

[danoyse]

Yeah, what we got was far greater than any simple lighsaber duel could have delivered imo.

Luke played on Kylo's inferiority complex masterfully and brought out both his fear and doubt, which the First Order witnessed so it would have impacted on their morale while at the same time galvanising a seriously weakened resistance. I loved it. Imagine what the tale of Luke Skywalker taking them all on with (what they saw was) minimal effort without even getting a scratch would do to not only bolster Luke's legend but also to inspire...

Amen.

 

[Wise]

SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!


YES!!!!!!!
My brother, during the movie, literally looked at each other when they revealed Luke wasn't there and both said "that was cool". And then he's just dead anyway? What the heck was the point then? It took a cool moment and made it pointless and ruined it, SO stupid! And he died from what? Force strain?! Also so stupid! People can throw multiple people around with the force, even summon lightning out of thin air for long periods of time, and they're fine, but Luke manages to kill himself. So dumb

He lost the will to live. It's unfortunately a medical condition that's passed down hereditarily on the mother's side.

 

[Sithborg]

 

[Wise]

HA the Quincy reference at 00:20 t:

 

[Consona]

Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker deserved the same type of send off that Hugh Jackman's Wolverine got in "Logan"?

...YT comment section https://youtu.be/Mdm8rpv045U

 

[danoyse]

...YT comment section https://youtu.be/Mdm8rpv045U

"I hope they keep adding women to the Star Wars universe until it’s just porgs & women."

-Twitter

 

[Consona]

Funny, but I think that Logan comment is spot on and not funny at all.

 

[danoyse]

funny, but i think that logan comment is spot on and not funny at all.

ok.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But then why did R2 wait all of that time to reveal the rest of the map?

I actually meant to say in my last post, that was poorly done in TFA.

 

[Smurphftw]

Yup. I liked Luke Skywalker in TLJ.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

"I hope they keep adding women to the Star Wars universe until it’s just porgs & women."

-Twitter

Good idea. Seriously.

 

[Venomfan]

A couple assumptions I've noticed from fans debating with those that weren't happy.

One is a lot of comments mentioning that what we got is better than triple flip kick prequel fights. Most just wanted a scene like Vader had in Rogue One.

The second is that everything about the movie would remain the exact same but it would be a real fight instead of a projection. I actually would be fine with the projection if it didn't result in his death, tho I would want a Vader rogue one scene in 9. Maybe a complete reworking of the movie with a different climax. Maybe keep it the same and have a ship of storm troopers track Rey to Luke, not knowing Luke is there and he takes them out. Then u could still have the projection scene.

Also, I want to know if ideally Rey should not fight in 9, since a lot of fans are mentioning that Luke shouldn't fight based on the Yoda quote

 

[BatLobster]

He had to die after the Force projection. It would be too much if that was just a new power he can do whenever and essentially be invincible. It also makes his last stand a heroic sacrifice ala Obi-Wan.

That's what I really respect about this movie. There are huge payoffs but it rarely feels like fan-service cause it feels earned. The end is deliciously bittersweet.

 

[InCali]

I honestly don't see why people had a problem with the Luke fight scene. I thought it was a fresh idea that we hadn't seen before.....oh.....I forgot.....it violated SW canon....the nerve.

 

[Orba]

I honestly don't see why people had a problem with the Luke fight scene. I thought it was a fresh idea that we hadn't seen before.....oh.....I forgot.....it violated SW canon....the nerve.

It was the first use on Force Projection/Doppelganger in canon but the ability had appeared in the old EU. Pretty sure Luke uses it in Dark Empire.

 

[Consona]

I honestly don't see why people had a problem with the Luke fight scene. I thought it was a fresh idea that we hadn't seen before.....oh.....I forgot.....it violated SW canon....the nerve.

Because it was not sincere. Luke's not a coward. He faces his problems.

 

[Consona]

That scene is like the whole TLJ, it's fake.

 

[BatLobster]

It was the first use on Force Projection/Doppelganger in canon but the ability had appeared in the old EU. Pretty sure Luke uses it in Dark Empire.

That's pretty sweet, didn't know that. Something about that scene did feel very "EU" to me, in a cool way though. The slightly de-aged Hamill might have added to that.