"Make America Great Again!": The TRUMP Thread!!! - Part 8

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[Matt]

Pence's addition to the ticket may spell major trouble for Trump's fundraising efforts.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/07/pences-pay-to-play-problem/

In essence, Indiana has a state public pension fund of nearly 30 billion dollars that is heavily invested in stocks, banks, hedgefunds, etc. But the SEC has a rule that prohibits registered financial advisers from donating more than $350 to any campaign of an official who could manage a state or local pension fund. So long as Pence is governor, he fits that description. This essentially locks out stock brokers, hedge fund managers, venture capitalists, investment bankers, just about everyone with deep pockets that a campaign would normally go to. This will CRIPPLE the Trump campaign's fundraising efforts.

I would not be surprised to see Pence resign as governor. He is not running for re-election. He may resign under the guise of "not wanting to deprive Indiana of a governor" or some such nonsense, but the real reason would be to get around this rule.

In case you're wondering about the destructive potential of this rule, for a campaign, its the reason why Scott Walker didn't even make it to the first primary election and why Chris Christie dropped out right after New Hampshire. This rule makes it VERY hard for a sitting governor to raise money needed to run a presidential campaign (if not impossible).

 

[SV Fan]

Pence's addition to the ticket may spell major trouble for Trump's fundraising efforts.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/07/pences-pay-to-play-problem/

In essence, Indiana has a state whose public pension fund of nearly 30 billion dollars that is heavily invested in stocks, banks, hedgefunds, etc. But the SEC has a rule that prohibits registered financial advisers from donating more than $350 to any campaign of an official who could manage a state or local pension fund. So long as Pence is governor, he fits that description. This essentially locks out stock brokers, hedge fund managers, venture capitalists, investment bankers, just about everyone with deep pockets that a campaign would normally go to. This will CRIPPLE the Trump campaign's fundraising efforts.

I would not be surprised to see Pence resign as governor. He is not running for re-election. He may resign under the guise of "not wanting to deprive Indiana of a governor" or some such nonsense, but the real reason would be to get around this rule.

In case you're wondering about the destructive potential of this rule, for a campaign, its the reason why Scott Walker didn't even make it to the first primary election and why Chris Christie dropped out right after New Hampshire. This rule makes it VERY hard for a sitting governor to raise money needed to run a presidential campaign (if not impossible).

I disagree, fundraising is a Trump weakness, I actually think Pence if a good pick in terms of pandering to establishment types. Pence for instance got lots of contributions from the Kochs and their contributions could equal that of 100s of hedge fund guys

 

[Matt]

I disagree, fundraising is a Trump weakness, I actually think Pence if a good pick in terms of pandering to establishment types. Pence for instance got lots of contributions from the Kochs and their contributions could equal that of 100s of hedge fund guys

The Kochs can't just dump a million dollars into the Trump campaign. They are limited by individual and PAC contribution limits. Now sure, they can make expenditures and do advertisements, but they have to disclose that stuff and considering how toxic the Koch name has become (it is synonymous with corrupt politics at this point), doing so would be harmful to the campaign. Pence is going to have to resign as governor or he is going to sink the campaign's fundraising efforts.

 

[enterthemadness]

First Mitt, now Jeb considering voting for Libertarian Johnson.

Let that sit in...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

First Mitt, now Jeb considering voting for Libertarian Johnson.

Let that sit in...

Personal insults can more than make you not want to legitimize a bully just for the sake of party unity.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Personal insults can more than make you not want to legitimize a bully just for the sake of party unity.

This is so true. Less about reason, more about a personal dislike.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I have to be honest, I don't know much about his VP choice but I really enjoyed watching him in a couples interviews. He seemed rather intelligent, and didn't appear over the top in what could easily be a GE circus. Trump needed someone like that I believe personality wise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have to be honest, I don't know much about his VP choice but I really enjoyed watching him in a couples interviews. He seemed rather intelligent, and didn't appear over the top in what could easily be a GE circus. Trump needed someone like that I believe personality wise.

He wanted to force women who had abortions to bury the fetus and pay for it and signed into law the worst anti-LGBT legislation we had seen up to the point. He also stole money from his campaign. He is going to be chum for Hilary and her crew.

 

[Sawyer]

He wanted to force women who had abortions to bury the fetus and pay for it and signed into law the worst anti-LGBT legislation we had seen up to the point. He also stole money from his campaign. He is going to be chum for Hilary and her crew.

BUT TEH E-MAILS!!!!1!

 

[Sithborg]

Pence's addition to the ticket may spell major trouble for Trump's fundraising efforts.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/07/pences-pay-to-play-problem/

In essence, Indiana has a state whose public pension fund of nearly 30 billion dollars that is heavily invested in stocks, banks, hedgefunds, etc. But the SEC has a rule that prohibits registered financial advisers from donating more than $350 to any campaign of an official who could manage a state or local pension fund. So long as Pence is governor, he fits that description. This essentially locks out stock brokers, hedge fund managers, venture capitalists, investment bankers, just about everyone with deep pockets that a campaign would normally go to. This will CRIPPLE the Trump campaign's fundraising efforts.

I would not be surprised to see Pence resign as governor. He is not running for re-election. He may resign under the guise of "not wanting to deprive Indiana of a governor" or some such nonsense, but the real reason would be to get around this rule.

In case you're wondering about the destructive potential of this rule, for a campaign, its the reason why Scott Walker didn't even make it to the first primary election and why Chris Christie dropped out right after New Hampshire. This rule makes it VERY hard for a sitting governor to raise money needed to run a presidential campaign (if not impossible).

Fascinating.

The real question is, will Trump treat Pence better than Christie?

 

[redhawk23]

He wanted to force women who had abortions to bury the fetus and pay for it and signed into law the worst anti-LGBT legislation we had seen up to the point. He also stole money from his campaign. He is going to be chum for Hilary and her crew.

That's what's most interesting to me about this stage of the election: Much of Trump's success so far has come from the fact that he has been able to claim pretty much whatever he wants because he has pretty much no political record to point to to say otherwise. In contrast to everyone else you could say "Cruz says this now but in 2011 he did this" or "Hilary can't be trusted because she voted for this in 2005."

In now having to pick a running mate, the Trump campaign now has an actual record to deal with... and man it is like a drinking game of standard horrendous Republican talking points.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

"So you're not comfortable with bigotry and neo fascism? Here's a theocrat who hates all social services as my VP!"

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Awww, I know for a fact I opened this thread in a different and much better way.

 

[Victarion]

Anyone else think of Race Bannon when they announced Pence as the running mate?

 

[Lighthouse]

Anyone else think of Race Bannon when they announced Pence as the running mate?

I don't want to associate anything cool with Pence.

 

[samsnee]

How much will Trump blame Pence if he loses the election?

 

[Matt]

How much will Trump blame Pence if he loses the election?

You know, I've been thinking about Trump's potential loss a lot lately.

In 2008, Sarah Palin wanted to speak on election night. The senior staff had to basically forbid it. The reason they did not want her to do it was due to the importance of a concession speech. It was not the time for Sarah Palin to go out and try to rally the base. Such a thing undermines the peaceful transfer of power that is the nature of our democracy. It is actually a pretty important principle.

What if Trump loses? What will his concession speech be? Will he call Clinton a crooked cheater? Will he accuse her of fixing the election? Will he blame the media and the Obama administration and anyone else he can? Will he call for riots, the likes of which he threatened when it seemed like a brokered convention was a possibility?

I can't see Trump standing on stage and conceding defeat in a civilized way that signals the peaceful transition of power. The possibility actually scares me quite a bit.

 

[DeadPresident]

You know, I've been thinking about Trump's potential loss a lot lately.

In 2008, Sarah Palin wanted to speak on election night. The senior staff had to basically forbid it. The reason they did not want her to do it was due to the importance of a concession speech. It was not the time for Sarah Palin to go out and try to rally the base. Such a thing undermines the peaceful transfer of power that is the nature of our democracy. It is actually a pretty important principle.

What if Trump loses? What will his concession speech be? Will he call Clinton a crooked cheater? Will he accuse her of fixing the election? Will he blame the media and the Obama administration and anyone else he can? Will he call for riots, the likes of which he threatened when it seemed like a brokered convention was a possibility?

I can't see Trump standing on stage and conceding defeat in a civilized way that signals the peaceful transition of power. The possibility actually scares me quite a bit.

He'll probably signal a call to arms or his own little military coup

 

[Lighthouse]

I don't even know that Trump would concede the election.

 

[samsnee]

He'll say how he got so many votes that he can't be ignored.

 

[Schlosser85]

I can't stand people like Pence who try to appoint themselves in charge of how everyone should live, despite being ridiculously ill-informed and uneducated about basic science.

I do not consent to my personal life being governed by someone I'm smarter and better-educated than.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Does Trump even want to live in the White House? I ask this because some how I think he wants the title of "President of the United States" but doesn't want to do the actual work.

 

[Schlosser85]

Does Trump even want to live in the White House? I ask this because some how I think he wants the title of "President of the United States" but doesn't want to do the actual work.

No way does he have the patience or attention span.

He's admitted himself that he gets bored very easily.

He likes to be able to live the way he wants and do whatever he wants whenever and wherever he wants to do it.

No way can I see him wanting to be locked into such a rigidly scheduled and structured lifestyle for four years.