Man faces murder charge for giving woman abortion pills

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  1. Dope Nose Registered

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    http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071129/APC0101/71129075

     
  2. Wilhelm-Scream Registered

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    Here is some Abortion Powder. :(


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  3. Lackey Registered

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    our world is so ****ed up... how can this be murder if he didn't kill anyone :huh:
     
  4. Wilhelm-Scream Registered

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    This is the stupidity that drives me insane.

    Especially after that "double murder" case where the guy killed his wife and their "unborn child",
    It is clear that society has answered the questions about "when life starts"

    Life starts when someone wants you. :):up:

    He signed ya, foetal tissue
    Now you're a human

    Oh YeAh!
     
  5. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    There are abortion pills?

    Like, for real?

    Actual pills?
     
  6. AhabTheArab Registered

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    couldnt he have just stopped banging her without a rubber? sounds like a chicken egg problem....
     
  7. bullets bang bang

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    she should have taken the blue pill.
     
  8. Brick Tropical Caterpiller

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    And it's not a news story from the Middle East :wow:
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% pro-choice and I hate pro-lifers with everything in me. But isn't it a little odd that if she had taken those pills under her own consent it would be just fine yet when some dumb guy gives it to her in some drink it's murder? I suppose an arsonist who burns down a fertility clinic with 5,000 embryos in it is as bad as Osama Bin Laden now.
     
  10. Matt IKYN Guy Groupie

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    I'd say her intent to have the child could have played a factor. Though I'm guessing the charges are just knocked up (pun not intended) to get him to plead down to a lesser one.
     
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    Doesn't assault seem more appropriate considering the legality of abortion?
     
  12. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    i one time got a girl pregnant, and she got an abortion without my prior knowledge or consent... i know this is a little different, but still, if a woman can decide not to have a kid without telling the father without any repercussions, shouldn't the opposite be okay, too?

    seems like a double standard, albeit a very, very complicated one.
     
  13. bullets bang bang

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    it is a doubly standard , i think she should also be charged with murder.
     
  14. Matt IKYN Guy Groupie

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    Well, I think intent to have the child has been established to play some role in the criminality of it. But yes, which is why I think they are simply trumping up the charges to get a lesser plea bargain.
     
  15. Hotwire Dealin' W/ Demons

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    For me, I cannot support abortion. From the second I saw my daughter in a sonogram and heard her heartbeat, I lost all support for abortion. As to how this counts as murder is simple, she had decided to keep the baby. Once she did that, she envoked her right to choose, she chose life, and he ended it. Now, of course, condoms would have al hell of a lot easier.
     
  16. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    this case brings up a lot of points that i'm surprised have never been discussed in a courtroom before. like, if a couple gets pregnant, the man basically has no say in what the woman does with the baby, even though it's 50% his, and i don't think that's right at all. if the woman says 'i want an abortion.', but the man wants to keep it, what can he do? i'm actually shocked that this hasn't been brought up before.

    also, why is it okay for a woman to get an abortion, but when a man does it, even though the child is half his, it's (apparently) called 'first-degree intentional homicide of an unborn child'? that guy should have just as much say in the fate of that fetus as the woman does.

    i'm not saying what the guy did was cool, but like i said, it raises a lot of interesting points.
     
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    The only thing is there is a difference between a woman getting an abortion without telling the man in her life that she's getting one, and a guy essentially slipping her a mickey
     
  18. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    i know there's a difference, i just really hope this case gets the publicity it needs so it can make the public ask the question: should there be a difference?

    that baby was 50% his, period. and there should be no gender-bias when it comes to any law, or any bias at all. if a woman stabs some guy in the face, is it murder? yup. if a woman gets an abortion, is it murder? nope. so why would it be murder if a guy did it?
     
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    Because when it comes to pregnancy, the guy doesn't have the fetus inside them for 9 months.
     
  20. Matt IKYN Guy Groupie

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    Because under our current law it is not 50 % his until it leaves the woman's body.
     
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    how bout opposite, like this guy, say he was working at mcdonalds and his girl is all like 'lets have a baby' hes prob just going along with it to get some of that RAW you know? then he finds out that hes got the super sperm, obviously, on a mcdonalds salary you gotta find someway to get rid of the little bastard. i smell double standard.... maybe thats just me though....
     
  22. Warhammer Half Monk, Half Hitman

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    Why did my comment get deleted?
     
  23. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    but that's exactly my point: it may be the law, but that hardly makes it right. maybe this will make people examine the law a little more closely. sure, maybe the woman is the one that has to go through the pregnancy and everything, and i'm sure that's not easy, but that shouldn't make the kid any less his. the point is that if the mother can kill the unborn fetus with no consequences, then why can't the father? no law should be based on gender/race/etc...
     
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    word. takes two to make a baby, belieee dat!
     
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    i have some simple questions.

    lets say a women gets pregnant. but the father doest want a baby. so he is against the baby. the women wants teh baby. so when she gets teh kid the father needs to take care for the kid right? its the law right?
    but what if the women doesnt want teh baby and the man wants it? the women can get rid of the kid and the kid is not even born. what can the man do here?


    doesnt sound fair IMO
     

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