Man With Alzheimers Shot By Homeowner After Ringing Doorbell

[Dispatch Ninja]

Reading charl's posts about these gun incidents is pretty disturbing, tbh.

 

[Marvolo]

Having known a few people in nursing homes and who have worked at nursing homes ill say this: old people with Alzheimer's can be dangerous. They've stabbed a few people with random objects and can poke some eyes out if they get scared. That being said, just don't get within arms reach and call the cops problem solved. Tho with how the police have been acting lately they'd probably gun him down for refusing to comply.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm pretty sure shooting somebody needlessly trumps disturbing people during 'not normal operating hours' in terms of things you can't do. I don't care what time of night it is, that should never give you the right to legally go out of your house and kill somebody on your property because they were lost and confused and needed help. God, American hospitality is horrible.

 

[charl_huntress]

Reading charl's posts about these gun incidents is pretty disturbing, tbh.

Goodness people. I'm not happy somebody was killed. Jeeze! However, with all that I have seen I'm a lot more hardened then some. As I said before I spent quite a few years in the military. I learned long ago people can easily die over the dumbest stuff. Mistakes, accidents, whatever the case may be. It happens.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

It happens. I met a man once who's wife wandered off and was lost in the forest for 3 days.

That's understandable, but someone in his condition should be cared for 24/7. Even late at night and into the early morning hours someone should be watching him.

 

[warhorse78]

That's understandable, but someone in his condition should be cared for 24/7. Even late at night and into the early morning hours someone should be watching him.

And with the technology available (electronic ankle bracelets, alarms on exterior doors and windows) there really isn't any excuse.

And, people could also be a little less trigger happy. Or just a bit more smart about something. Perhaps people should keep on hand some firecrackers, that way if they see someone wandering in the yard, just light them up and toss them towards the perps direction. Usually the noise is enough to scare most people off.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Even carers are entitled to sleep... Mind you I suppose it would have been a good idea to have all the doors locked from the inside in such a way that the old man could not open them...

But it's easy to suggest solutions after the event.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Reading charl's posts about these gun incidents is pretty disturbing, tbh.

That is why the ignore button is your friend...

 

[charl_huntress]

There is usually supposed to be some sort of 24 hour care given when caring for patients with dementia in most nursing facilities. This would include bed checks to ensure all patients are where they are suppose to be. There are also protocols in place to deter from escaping, like usually having someone posted at the main exit and securing all other likely exits with a lock. Likely this man was being cared for at home by his family.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm sorry but let's not try to steer this away from a guy shooting an elderly man outside of his house. Obviously, ideally this guy wouldn't have escaped from whereever he was being cared for, but this is another example of somebody who should've just stayed in his house and waited for the cops to arrive rather than opening the door to a stranger and shooting them. And he's not likely to be charged with anything? The fck.

 

[Tropico]

I've not read anything that says the he lived with anyone aside from his 2 dogs. There's no information if he had any family. Even if he did, a lot of people don't care for the elderly even if they're family and don't look after them or stick them in a home and let strangers "take care" of them.

I have a great-aunt that has Alzheimer's, they had to put her in a home a few months ago. Thankfully, it has helped her condition and she has more "good days" than "bad ones". I can understand why people would be wary of someone like that. Some of them can be taken for being under the influence, crazy or even violent. Even then, I don't see the logic of the shooting. You're armed, your house is secure from the inside, the authorities are being notified...why go outside? What is happening? Are people going: "Well, I got a gun to protect my property, it'd be a shame not to use it; I've been ITCHIN' to use it!" Or are they losing grip on reality and think they're in the Walking Dead or some crap like that?

 

[Hotwire]

I'm sorry but let's not try to steer this away from a guy shooting an elderly man outside of his house. Obviously, ideally this guy wouldn't have escaped from whereever he was being cared for, but this is another example of somebody who should've just stayed in his house and waited for the cops to arrive rather than opening the door to a stranger and shooting them. And he's not likely to be charged with anything? The fck.

Exactly! This seems like another case of a trigger-happy home owner who will, sadly, get away with killing an innocent person.

 

[charl_huntress]

You're armed, your house is secure from the inside, the authorities are being notified...why go outside?

I won't be drawn back into this again, not when there are 15 pages of me already involved in it elsewhere.

The only thing I can say is when people are in a fear state they may not think rationally. If they are armed then odds are they will already have a natural instinct to confront what they may think is an immediate threat. They are not going to wait for protection to arrive if they feel threatened by an imminent danger. If they are armed, odds are they will feel the need to protect themselves and their family.

Though some of you may like to think we live in a perfect society, we do not in fact live in that society. All it takes is to read the news to know there are a lot of individuals out there who may do you harm. I don't get this notion some have that America was founded by a bunch of people standing around singing kumbaya--like the nation sprout out the ground like a pretty little flower. This country was founded on violence and there has never been a time in its history where the people here weren't afraid of something...be it the British, Red-Skins, slaves, Germans, Communist, aliens...or strangers in the night.

 

[Tropico]

I won't be drawn back into this again, not when there are 15 pages of me already involved in it elsewhere.

The only thing I can say is when people are in a fear state they may not think rationally. If they are armed then odds are they will already have a natural instinct to confront what they may think is an immediate threat. They are not going to wait for protection to arrive if they feel threatened by an imminent danger. If they are armed, odds are they will feel the need to protect themselves and their family.

Though some of you may like to think we live in a perfect society, we do not in fact live in that society. All it takes is to read the news to know there are a lot of individuals out there who may do you harm. I don't get this notion some have that America was founded by a bunch of people standing around singing kumbaya--like the nation sprout out the ground like a pretty little flower. This country was founded on violence and there has never been a time in its history where the people here weren't afraid of something...be it the British, Red-Skins, slaves, Germans, Communist, aliens...or strangers in the night.

Charl, I wasn't addressing this at you specifically. Nor was the other one, I truly wish you were the only one with those points of view but there are a couple of you on these boards. My 1st comment on this thread was the only one where I thought solely of you. I'm just making this clear because I don't want any misunderstandings or pointing fingers later on.

I'm clear on your POV, you don't need to clarify or feel you're being dragged into anything 'cause you aren't. We can all voice our opinions, it's not meant to invalidate yours.

We don't live in a perfect world. That's why we secure our stuff, have law enforcers and some people arm themselves legally (some, illegally). No one here thinks we live in a Utopia. What most of us see is that there is a middle ground, a gray area, that is not a black/white world of kill or be killed because that mentality isn't necessary most of the time even if you're scared, sad or angry.

It's not just the people of the Hype, BTW. I went to 5 different blogs and news sites to see if I could get more details and the common denominator is that people don't think it was acceptable for the home owner to go out hunting for this enfeebled old man that didn't pose any real threat to him or his home. I even read: "This person gives us gun owners a bad name!". If you want to continue deluding yourself that we're a minority and that we think we live in Barney's World, go ahead, it's your prerogative but it's just that: a delusion.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm sorry, but I can't see how someone can justify shooting some old ass motherf***er who was unarmed.

 

[KevanG]

Looks like open season on anyone who comes aknockin at night.

 

[Warhammer]

Yep, don't knock. You best use your cell phone and call just to make sure. If not, you might mess around and die.

 

[KevanG]

Everyone better watch out for New Years. Invite some people over and wind up shooting them.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'm pretty sure shooting somebody needlessly trumps disturbing people during 'not normal operating hours' in terms of things you can't do. I don't care what time of night it is, that should never give you the right to legally go out of your house and kill somebody on your property because they were lost and confused and needed help. God, American hospitality is horrible.

Things in the news in the last two weeks:

*An unarmed woman gets shot because she dared knock on a door

*Multiple stabbings at stores on Black Friday

*Teens play "knock out" just for laughs, which leads to several hospitalizations and a death

* A basically-mute old man is shot because another intellectually inept person is incapable of problem-solving without bullets being part of the equation.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

So another one of these? Does everyone come to their door armed these days?

 

[Victarion]

I blame the ding dong ditchers and poop baggers.

 

[Xeno]

Everyone better watch out for New Years. Invite some people over and wind up shooting them.

People are already shooting young kids in Halloween costumes, so everyone is a potential target these days.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/girl-halloween-costume-mistaken-skunk-shot-cousin/story?id=17536625

 

[KevanG]

Fine Jeez. Everybody stay inside and just start shooting anyone who comes near the door. Just leave money for the delivery guys and tell them to run.

 

[Hotwire]

Fine Jeez. Everybody stay inside and just start shooting anyone who comes near the door. Just leave money for the delivery guys and tell them to run.

...in a serpentine fashion.

 

[KevanG]

They better not expect a tip either.