Comics Marc Guggenheim's latest explanation for why some folks hate Brand New Day

[Themanofbat]

Or they get swept under the rug and never spoken about... (around the next big assed event that will shatter Spidey's core)

With that kind of an attitude, I'm surprised you still read any comics (if a all)...

I'm giving Marvel the benefit of the doubt because they have said all things would be answered. We've had a hint that Peter had some help with a mindwipe, and we're getting answers to Harry's ressurection in December's books... so think they'll get "swept under the rug" all you want... I'd rather be optimitic.

 

[carnageehw]

But that's not what I said...

If you just look at that blanket 3-4 months as a mystery, then the continuity gaps will eventually fill themselves out...

Impossible. Well, for me anyway. See, I can't get into a story not knowing anything about the characters. Not knowing stuff about characters I SHOULD know about, and previously DID know about. Things that I DID know about, I no longer do, because they may or may not have happened. Hard to get behind stories like that.

I can't look at it as a mystery....because the "Mystery" isn't interesting. All the "mystery" is, is a reminder of OMD, and the editorial changes that forced the issue.

If I look at it as a mystery, it becomes "Hmm, I wonder how they changed history after the Mephistio deal". That's not interesting in the least. It's tedious. We NEED to know how things have changed in order to possibly get behind all the drastic changes.

 

[shinlyle]

Guys, you realize that TMOB is not going to change his stance on this anymore than you will change your, right? Honestly, he's defending it because he likes it, which is his right. The same can be said of us and our right to hate on this storyline.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[carnageehw]

Guys, you realize that TMOB is not going to change his stance on this anymore than you will change your, right? Honestly, he's defending it because he likes it, which is his right. The same can be said of us and our right to hate on this storyline.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

If people discussed things over the internet based on successful conversion rate, there would be no forums....like ever.

We're all here for the same reason: We're bored, we're opinionated, and we want our points heard.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Guys, you realize that TMOB is not going to change his stance on this anymore than you will change your, right? Honestly, he's defending it because he likes it, which is his right. The same can be said of us and our right to hate on this storyline.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

I think I'm wearing him down. First I'm going to convince him to give up this whole "being canadian thing" then I'll work on logic and the failings of Spider-Man.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

With that kind of an attitude, I'm surprised you still read any comics (if a all)...

I'm giving Marvel the benefit of the doubt because they have said all things would be answered. We've had a hint that Peter had some help with a mindwipe, and we're getting answers to Harry's ressurection in December's books... so think they'll get "swept under the rug" all you want... I'd rather be optimitic.

But you have to admit that it is a possibility... I wish I was at least half as optimistic as you are, regarding Spidey... But Marvel's Spidey rug has a lot of stuff underneath it...

I tried to like BND, but it just doesn't click... like classic Spidey used to... at least to me... I WANT the answers, maybe it'll help me like it or hate it... I dunno what's in the future... all I can do is wait...

 

[kguillou]

The reason why its not sticking for a lot of people is because JMS gave us a version of spiderman that we all liked and enjoyed. We were enjoying where JMS was taking the character and his supporting cast and then suddenly everything changed and we're back to a 'simplified' version of spider-man. Its gona take a long while to get used to.

 

[Blader5489]

The reason why its not sticking for a lot of people is because JMS gave us a version of spiderman that we all liked and enjoyed. We were enjoying where JMS was taking the character and his supporting cast and then suddenly everything changed and we're back to a 'simplified' version of spider-man. Its gona take a long while to get used to.

Really? Because I remember a lot of people lambasting JMS for his direction with the character, especially in regards to plots and the lack of a supporting cast. Nobody liked Morlun and Ezekiel back then, and now you've got people like DACMAN who are wishing we could get those characters back.

 

[JayTee]

Really? Because I remember a lot of people lambasting JMS for his direction with the character, especially in regards to plots and the lack of a supporting cast. Nobody liked Morlun and Ezekiel back then, and now you've got people like DACMAN who are wishing we could get those characters back.

I HATED JMS's Spider-Man and so did an awful lot of people, especially after Sins Past. After that moment it was a never ending stream of "anything goes". Brand New Day is the first time I've been buying Spider-Man stuff since like 2004. In fact, the more emphasis you put on the writer part of "(Writer)'s (Character)" the less like that character it's going to be. Quesada opened the floodgates in 2000 or so for writers to come in and do whatever the hell they wanted, and it saved the industry from being in utter-hell to just hell, sure, but at the expense of stability and cohesive character models.

Hopefully someday soon this new, more sane, Spider-Man can set an example and usher in a new era of writers writing in the interest of the characters and we can get back the Marvel we all used to love. Then kids can buy this stuff again and whiney 30 year olds can go get a life and not worry about continuity-forensic-science.

 

[farmernudie]

JT: I HATED JMS's Spider-Man and so did an awful lot of people, especially after Sins Past. After that moment it was a never ending stream of "anything goes".

Joe is the one that wanted it to be an "never ending stream of anything goes", as you put it, so he could "FIX" it, his plan all along, as he stated.
It made it look like it needed fixing to some people that way. Wrote it into a corner with no way out except a REBOOT.

MAddening.

If you like the reboot you're against gay marriage. IF you're not buying it, it is because you are for gay marriage.

What does it mean if you did or didn't like JMS????????? I hope Marvel issues a press release to let us know. I liked JMS mostly, except for Sins PAst.

 

[JayTee]

The fact that it IS fixed is all I care about right now.

Everything that happened between Coming Home and One More Day can be tossed right in the trash where it belongs.

I think the problem a lot of you are having is you can't separate OMD from BND. Since I started with BND, I seriously don't care about Mephistos and Kingpins and Iron Costumes and Spider Stingers and other nonsense. That's JMS territory regardless of whatever blogs or whiney "I can't do exactly what I wanted with an iconic corporate character, I only got to screw up 95% of it instead of 100%" BS he spews.

 

[farmernudie]

JT:

The fact that it IS fixed is all I care about right now.

Everything that happened between Coming Home and One More Day can be tossed right in the trash where it belongs.

I think the problem a lot of you are having is you can't separate OMD from BND. Since I started with BND, I seriously don't care about Mephistos and Kingpins and Iron Costumes and Spider Stingers and other nonsense. That's JMS territory regardless of whatever blogs or whiney "I can't do exactly what I wanted with an iconic corporate character, I only got to screw up 95% of it instead of 100%" BS he spews.

OMD ....IS......BND.

YOu can't seperate them.

That is like saying the foundation for your house has nothing to do with your home.

And, regressing a character that your purposely wrote into a character, well, i wouldn't call that fixing it, or brilliant.

If someone sold you bad coffee everyday, in order to sell you "better" coffee two years later, you wouldn't be amused with them would you??

Joe coulda put Slott on Spidey at any time.

These stories coulda been told with a marriage.

Time/History IS altered no matter what Marvel trys to tell you just magically "Stayed the same" despite changes.

If these things don't bother you, that is fine too.

I am glad Pete still went on his honeymoon and everything still happened exactly the same, as marvel keeps stating, EXCEPT they NEVER married. Only that. That's what they say. Yeppers.

Welcome to never never land.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think I'm wearing him down. First I'm going to convince him to give up this whole "being canadian thing" then I'll work on logic and the failings of Spider-Man.

Oooooooohhhh.... Caaaaanaaadaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

 

[farmernudie]

So, TMOB...

If you're from Canada, you must be for the unusual and bizzarre treatment of circus elephants?

(since this is the funny logic thread....)

 

[kguillou]

Whoaa, im so confused, so now all of a sudden everybody hated JMS' spiderman?? I coulda sworn i was hearing praises all over these boards about the great job he did with the character and how all the progress he made with peter parker is gone( with the exception of the very bad sins past and the Other stories). I thought the general consensus was that JMS saved spiderman? I for one, loved his more mature, introspective peter parker.

 

[farmernudie]

I liked JMS generally, quite a lot. ( What does that say about me? )

 

[Blader5489]

Whoaa, im so confused, so now all of a sudden everybody hated JMS' spiderman?? I coulda sworn i was hearing praises all over these boards about the great job he did with the character and how all the progress he made with peter parker is gone( with the exception of the very bad sins past and the Other stories). I thought the general consensus was that JMS saved spiderman? I for one, loved his more mature, introspective peter parker.

It's not all of a sudden, people have been anti-JMS for years. It's only with hindsight and OMD that people have begun praising JMS' direction.

 

[Themanofbat]

I liked JMS generally, quite a lot. ( What does that say about me? )

You like doing crossword puzzles and eating chinese noodles.

 

[farmernudie]

Actually, my wife has kinda gotten me into Soduku, or whatever that number game is....

Chinese noodles tho...naw...

 

[Themanofbat]

Whoaa, im so confused, so now all of a sudden everybody hated JMS' spiderman?? I coulda sworn i was hearing praises all over these boards about the great job he did with the character and how all the progress he made with peter parker is gone( with the exception of the very bad sins past and the Other stories). I thought the general consensus was that JMS saved spiderman? I for one, loved his more mature, introspective peter parker.

JMS' run on ASM was ok in my opinion... had some great moments, and somereally bad ones.

But of the 11 writers to ever write ASM (not including the new team nor filler issues), he ranks around 8th or 9th place in my opinion (depending on how I feel about Michelinie's run)... which either speaks highly of the previous writers, or the mediocricy of JMS' work on the book.

1. Stan Lee
2. Marv Wolfman
3. Roger Stern
4. Len Wein
5. Gerry Conway
6. JM DeMattheis
7. Tom DeFalco
8. David Michelinie
9. JMS
10. Denis O'Neil
11. Howard Mackie

 

[Themanofbat]

Actually, my wife has kinda gotten me into Soduku, or whatever that number game is....

Chinese noodles tho...naw...

I was going to say Sudoku puzzles, but I didn't want to get the oriental feel with the chinese noodles.

 

[webhead921]

I personally enjoy the current spidey, but I am aware that I am in the minority. Marvel needs to be extremely careful with what they do/say with spidey. It seems that a lot of readers have abandoned the title, and it will take a lot to bring them back. New Ways to Die seems to be attracting the attention of those who stopped reading after OMD, but if writers make comments like Guggenheim's, they might do some serious harm to amazing's sales. Let's hope that guggenheim's comments do not prevent readers from enjoying what slott is doing with new ways to die.

 

[Styleshift]

I have nothing against Dan Slott. Unlike Guggenheim, he can write Spidey and actually make his lines FUNNY. Zeb wells also does a great job as seen in Peter Parker Spider-man.

Gale however, needs to be kicked off as most would agree.

 

[kguillou]

I think Slott pretty much writes the definitive peter parker/spider-man, whenever i read his dialogue, it reminds me of the 90's animated series. If Slott wasnt restrained by the "OMD chains" then i think he could work some real magic with spider-man. But so far he's doing good in my book.

 

[farmernudie]

And, back on topic, Gugg's explanation shows how far off base the creative teams are in explaining why the fans are unhappy with this new direction.