Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

[DavidTyler]

Don't confuse the name with the persona. His legal name is "Clark Kent", but his persona is quite different from the public Clark Kent. Ever heard of "growing out"? He leaves "Clark Kent" and builds up a new persona called "Superman". "Clark Kent" remains nothing more than a disguise.


The post-crisis version made never sense. When he develops his powers his whole world view would change. He is more intelligent than ordinary humans so a lot of things the Kents learned him are no longer relevant.

The pre-crisis version is the version that matters. From the Golden Age to the Bronze Age, there was an "essence" that was still kept.

Superman is the only character that his own fans want to be weak and "stupid", am I right?! Arguing about that "Batman" is still "BRuce Wayne" causes an uprising in the Batman corner. That was a guy who was raised as "Bruce Wayne" and a guy who needs a costume. But Superman doesn't. He just is. He was born different, he was never a real member of "our" society, he simply can't. Social things aren't something for him, because he knows EVERYTHING better, so he PLAYS a normal guy. That's truly three-dimensional. The farmboy / "Just a normal guy" take is the one-dimensional one that goes without much thinking

I can't read your posts on this subject anymore. I'm sorry but I just find them a bit 'young'.

People grow out of playing video games and brightly coloured breakfast cereals. They don't grow out of lessons learned from their parents and they never stop being that core individual they grew up as. Clark is Clark.

 

[DavidTyler]

I feel the same way. I use to love Superman II when I was younger but after watching it several times, the movie is so flawed. Ireally wish Donner had been allowed to continue the film. It would have been interesting to see where he would have taken it (and no I don't count the donner cut that was released a couple years back)

Thankfully Reeve was so great he made the weak movie enjoyable

But that is where Donner would have taken it. Why do you discount it?

 

[Clark Kent]

Of course I like the movie, but I'm not going to make up lies on he isn't a deadbeat dad. Don't make up lies because you hate the film. Let me print out a real meaning of it from Wikipedia here. You'll see that nowhere sound like Superman in SR. Don't deny the truth.




Now please tell me how this sound like Superman in SR when he didn't know he has a child at the end? When you been away for 5 yrs. while your girl is, say 1 month preggy, & didn't know the child exist, it doesn't make you a deadbeat dad. Not unless you later found out & you decide to be there for the child. That is no way a deadbeat dad.

Can't see the "deadbeat" quality in SR? Maybe it because there is none? I like to some good proof it is, 'cause I just put up a section about it above. None is what we see in SR.

Can we please, PLEASE get off the whole "deadbeat dad" schtick? It's been done to death.

He says it's 'non news' yet he's the one who started it in the first place.

Exactly, DOUBLE .

Outsiders....Edward Zwick and M Night Shyamalan who is a big fan of Supes himself.

Please, PLEASE never let M. Night Shyamalan anywhere near a Superman movie, or just anywhere near a movie set ever again.

Edward Zwick, on the other hand, would be a very interesting choice. Can that guy make a heartfelt epic movie or WHAT?!

that is where Donner would have taken it. Why do you discount it?

Good question, .

 

[DavidTyler]

Not sure if this has been posted, but someone called Archangel is posting in the comments field on the home page news for the Kurtzman/orci interview...

[Posted by: Archangel on July 3, 2008 at 11:06:14

Quote:
They were never doing MOS and said so in an interview two days after that rumor was posted at IESB. It was a ploy to get people thinking about MOS which is DEAD. Not gonna happen. WB has 4 different reboot pitches to think about between now and December.

Asked how they knew this, Archangel answered:

Posted by: Archangel on July 3, 2008 at 12:53:32

Quote:
Because I'm on the writing team of one and was informed of competition just before Millar made his announcement. Subsequent phone calls revealed a current total of 4 pending pitches and possibly more. It seems WB is actively looking for a reboot now which we didn't expect, but they aren't commenting making it more frustrating. We thought it was just us Vs. Singer but were wrong. Singer is done already and is looking for a way to save face.

And asked for story details, Archangel said:

Posted by: Archangel on July 3, 2008 at 15:59:42

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I'll give you a few tidbits...
1. Film starts with Clark as Superman
2. Villains are Metallo and Brainiac
3. Lex has nothing to do with real estate investing.
4. It's certainly no love story.
Someone managed to take pics of storyboard sketches of our project last weekend during our artist's family reunion and emailed them before getting caught so I'd expect them to pop up on the net soon. Not too happy about it, but what we can do. At least we'll get some feedback on how good it looks so far.

What do you all think?

I absolutely hope this is true. Competition should actually give us a great Superman film ... providing, of course, that the WB aren't total corporate fools. The Superman franchise can be a huge moneymaker for them if they pay attention to what the fans are telling them.

Nolan did and gave us a great Batman flick... and set up the franchise nicely.

 

[Retroman]

Please, PLEASE never let M. Night Shyamalan anywhere near a Superman movie, or just anywhere near a movie set ever again.

I've got a soft spot for M Night even though The Happening and Lady In Water weren't as good as his earlier work.

Edward Zwick, on the other hand, would be a very interesting choice. Can that guy make a heartfelt epic movie or WHAT?!

Yeah, he'd be a great choice imo if they decided to go with someone else.

 

[Superark]

But that is where Donner would have taken it. Why do you discount it?

Because he did not actually get to finish filming and things are always changing in the production process

 

[Showtime]

Not sure if this has been posted but now all of a sudden Millar is backtracking his earlier statements even though he made it seemed like a sure thing.

Source:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=82399

He says it's 'non news' yet he's the one who started it in the first place.

That's a surprise...

 

[AragornKing1]

That's a surprise...

Yeah, no kidding Show, ha ha. Archangel aka Steve from SaveSuperman.com said that he's just backpedaling so he doesn't get in trouble from WB and also says that all the insiders giving info saying that a sequel to Superman Returns is happening is just rumors and them just telling the fans that want a sequel just to give them false hopes. LOL. What a moron. Why would you or any other reliable insider give us false hopes just for the heck of it. It doesn't make any sense Show. He's saying the complete opposite of what you're saying.

 

[Superman-Prime]

Not sure if this has been posted but now all of a sudden Millar is backtracking his earlier statements even though he made it seemed like a sure thing.

Source:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=82399

He says it's 'non news' yet he's the one who started it in the first place.

That's Millar's problem. Shocking.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Not sure if this has been posted but now all of a sudden Millar is backtracking his earlier statements even though he made it seemed like a sure thing.

Source:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=82399

He says it's 'non news' yet he's the one who started it in the first place.

That's a surprise...

With that said can this thread now be closed.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, no kidding Show, ha ha. Archangel aka Steve from SaveSuperman.com said that he's just backpedaling so he doesn't get in trouble from WB and also says that all the insiders giving info saying that a sequel to Superman Returns is happening is just rumors and them just telling the fans that want a sequel just to give them false hopes. LOL. What a moron. Why would you or any other reliable insider give us false hopes just for the heck of it. It doesn't make any sense Show. He's saying the complete opposite of what you're saying.

No offense, but who cares what Archangel aka Steve has to say. Is it just me or are you always talking about that SaveSuperman site?

 

[AragornKing1]

No offense, but who cares what Archangel aka Steve has to say. Is it just me or are you always talking about that SaveSuperman site?

Because he says very interesting things. Are they true? I don't know, but he's not always wrong and he's not always right. The same goes for Showtime. People like supporters of a Superman Returns sequel, and supporters for a reboot say the same thing you say. "Who cares what so and so says. They don't know what's really going on." Blah blah blah. Now, I haven't been on either site long enough to be able to tell who is more credible than the other, but one side either is ********ting or has very, very poor sources inside Hollywood and WB or whatever. All the evidence I've read though seems to point more towards a sequel to Superman Returns happening, but that's only because more insiders are saying so. Only Jayne and Archangel are saying that MOS is dead and Bryan Singer hasn't found any writers yet, and that insiders like Showtime are just giving us false info just to give us false hope, which doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Crowforge]

I'm relieved all the same.

 

[Superman-Prime]

It's an obvious that Jayne and Archangel trying to fool SR lovers that the sequel of SR is NOT going to happen.

Plus, I gotta say the site, SaveSuperman, is not an official site. Nor a source site. It's a stupid site, completely waste of bandwidth.

 

[Tarnish]

I really hated Civil War in the comics, so the idea of Millar on Superman made me cringe, but recognizing my bias, I tried to at least hear his take on the character.

Now that I have, I DEFINITELY hope he never gets his hooks on Superman.

 

[REDophile]

Millar might have a great idea for a reboot, but SR just needs a stronger sequel.
To backtrack, I thought the guys who wrote Transformers were writing the screenplay. All they need is more action and another villain besides Lex. It seems like Singer, Routh and WB are all on the same page.

 

[Billy Batson]

Nah, more like the other way round.

Ice T rules and Soulja Boy sucks ass.

They both suck, I mention them for the old versus new analogy.

If he makes the movie with Welling it will make 300 million to 400 million domestically!

He is the face to the role right now like it or not...

Directed by
Michael Bay

Script by
Mark Millar

Starring
Tom Welling
Erica Durance
Michael Rosenbaum

I can live with that, and be very happy...

No way their movie will be worse then Singers Donner love fest!

YES SIR!!! I like where you're going with that.

 

[AragornKing1]

It's an obvious that Jayne and Archangel trying to fool SR lovers that the sequel of SR is NOT going to happen.

Plus, I gotta say the site, SaveSuperman, is not an official site. Nor a source site. It's a stupid site, completely waste of bandwidth.

I agree, but why are they trying to convince SR lovers that a sequel is not happening? Are they just trying to get attention because if they are it's working, and it's annoying as hell.

 

[Superman-Prime]

I really hated Civil War in the comics, so the idea of Millar on Superman made me cringe, but recognizing my bias, I tried to at least hear his take on the character.

Now that I have, I DEFINITELY hope he never gets his hooks on Superman.

Hmm. I never read any Civil War books.

I agree, but why are they trying to convince SR lovers that a sequel is not happening? Are they just trying to get attention because if they are it's working, and it's annoying as hell.

They want to get attention. That's all and yes, it's annoying as hell.

 

[AragornKing1]

Hmm. I never read any Civil War books.



They want to get attention. That's all and yes, it's annoying as hell.

Yeah they are, but why are they wasting their time trying to get attention. I just don't understand it. I can't wait until the sequel is announced and have them try to back track on everything that they've said, ha ha.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Yeah they are, but why are they wasting their time trying to get attention. I just don't understand it. I can't wait until the sequel is announced and have them try to back track on everything that they've said, ha ha.

Why, we have already seen them try to back track on everything a ton of times.
Their scoops about the JL movie were simply pathetic.

 

[AragornKing1]

Why, we have already seen them try to back track on everything a ton of times.
Their scoops about the JL movie were simply pathetic.

LOL, yeah that is true. Like the whole deal that Tom Welling was Superman and everyone would be happy with the cast which turned out to be a crappy cast, ha ha. What else have they tried to back track on?

 

[mego joe]

Can't see the "deadbeat" quality in SR? Maybe it because there is none? I like to some good proof it is, 'cause I just put up a section about it above. None is what we see in SR.

What we see in SR is a man (SUperman) who is so self-absorbed and emotionally weak that he doesn't say goodbye to Lois in a situation in which he CLEARLY is morally obligated b/c of their sexual relationship. He's a deadbeat. The fact that he doesn't know Lois is pregnant is beside the point. Perhaps deadbeat doesn't work for you- how about jerk, assh----, shmuck or loser? Would that work better for you? WOuld that be somehow more accurate or 'better' than being a deadbeat dad?

However, I didn't see SUperman at the end of SR taking the reings on parenthood for Jason. I saw him content to let Richard do his job. Yeah, SUperman's real involved in Jason's life. He's a deadbeat whether he gives money or not. He's not being an everyday father to Jason. As a parent I can tell you if you cannot do that for your children you ARE a deadbeat. 'Deadbeat' is in there if you expand your understanding of real parental and sexual responsibility to account for what is best for children.

 

[raybia]

Now before you all groan with the old news statement, I assure you this is quite new.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/2008/06/26/exclusive-scots-comic-writer-mark-millar-is-toast-of-hollywood-after-wanted-86908-20621161/



Even if this falls through, I still find it very interesting that WB is so willing to accept new pitches. Then Millar posted this on his message board.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=82235

This would be a dream come true.

 

[raybia]

I don't know what Millar's pick is but mine would basically be a live action STAS...

except that when the movie opens Superman has been on the scene for about a year and he nor the public have no clue he is an alien. Both think that he is a metahuman...until a threat comes from beyond that exposes the truth and now Clark has to come to terms with his true heritage and the public must overcome their xenophobia about Superman while both faces the possible end of humanity as they know it.