Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio Eye Killers of the Flower Moon

[Filmfreak]

Well, Irishman says otherwise. We'll see when this one comes out, though.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Well, Irishman says otherwise. We'll see when this one comes out, though.

Eh, I keep it simple. I ain't paying for it. My taxes ain't paying for it and he is one of the greatest directors of film ever and sadly due to his age is far more knocking on the other side than this one, so why not just enjoy the ride, bald rabbit man.

Now, if you wanna try any rough stuff, I ain't no band leader. Yeah, I heard that story.

 

[mclay18]

Yes, a guy with a distinguished 50+ year career as a professional filmmaker and a crew of some of the best collaborators in the business must not know what they're doing with budgets.

Hugo and Silence proves your point there. Plus, all the major distributors passed on The Irishman because of its length and price tag.

Scorsese makes great films but he can certainly afford to cut corners on things like shooting locations and stripping all the fat out of a script before shooting begins. Spielberg could probably make this film, with the same cast and script, for 25-50% less.

 

[moviedoors]

Hugo and Silence proves your point there. Plus, all the major distributors passed on The Irishman because of its length and price tag.

...and then Netflix picked it up and proved him right.

I just don't get this attitude at the basest level either. Martin forking Scorsese has a new movie in production, and you're hung up on what you think the budget should be?

 

[Eddie Dean]

Who cares lol

 

[Boom]

Shoddy de-aging effects aside, The Irishman is a masterpiece. They don't make them like this anymore, and bless Netflix for fronting the bill for it.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Whelp, this is probably the wrong time to come in to say I REALLY didn't like The Irishman and think it embodies all the worst tendencies of Scorsese's career, especially the latter years...

But gosh do I hope someone manages to convince him to actually, you know, edit his movie this time around.

 

[Boom]

Whelp, this is probably the wrong time to come in to say I REALLY didn't like The Irishman and think it embodies all the worst tendencies of Scorsese's career, especially the latter years...

But gosh do I hope someone manages to convince him to actually, you know, edit his movie this time around.

 

[DarkKnight88]

But gosh do I hope someone manages to convince him to actually, you know, edit his movie this time around.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Oh, wow, I didn't realize she did The Irishman. (I actually thought she was dead, for some reason ) Looking at the wiki, a lot of their recent collabs (Irishman most glaringly) just seem so uncharacteristic of her talents. She's a huge part of making Scorsese's legendary work as legendary as it is. But then you look at something like The Irishman, and it just feels like it's barely been edited at all beyond the technical level, just stringing every single scene and shot Scorsese thought up into one overlong stream of consciousness.

But thank you so much for making me realize Schoonmaker is thankfully still with us. I hope this movie is a return to form for them both.

 

[Boom]

Worst part of The Irishman is an obviously elderly Robert De Niro (despite de-aging effects) beating up a guy in the street.

 

[Drizzle]

Oh, wow, I didn't realize she did The Irishman. (I actually thought she was dead, for some reason )

I make the same mistake sometimes, and I realized that I always mix up Schoonmaker and Sally Menke, Tarantino's longtime editor who worked on all of his films until her death in 2010.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I make the same mistake sometimes, and I realized that I always mix up Schoonmaker and Sally Menke, Tarantino's longtime editor who worked on all of his films until her death in 2010.

Ah, yes, I think that's my problem, too. Especially since both Scorsese and Tarantino's later work share the problem of not being cut sternly enough in the editing booth, IMO.

Worst part of The Irishman is an obviously elderly Robert De Niro (despite de-aging effects) beating up a guy in the street.

At least on that we can all agree.

 

[Eddie Dean]

An editor’s job isn’t just to make a movie shorter.

 

[weezerspider]

Anyone who thinks The Irishman isn’t edited well, knows nothing about film editing or they probably didn’t see it in theaters or both. Pacing is always going to feel different at home when you have a million distractions. Both times I saw it in theaters, it flew by. The pacing Schoonmaker and Scorsese create for the film is remarkable. Not to mention, as is the norm for the two, you can’t tell what is improvised and what is scripted. You watch a Judd Appatow film, you know exactly what’s improvised and what’s scripted. It’s not easy to edit twelve different takes where almost all of them have completely different lines into one, cohesive conversation. Schoonmaker has been doing that for Scorsese since Raging Bull.

The Wolf of Wall Street, Silence and The Irishman all have a case to be Scorsese’s fourth best film behind the big three. He’s on a roll. Give him whatever he wants.

The fact “fans” are even concerned about the price card for films is asinine. We’re here for the art of it. The business side has become to prevalent. There was a time when B.O. wasn’t even reported on the front page. Now we’re worried about a living legend’s budget. It’s gross.

 

[CaptainWagner]

An editor’s job isn’t just to make a movie shorter.

I am well aware of this. I spent many, many hours in the Edit Suites at college working on my film projects. My point is that my major issue with both "The Irishman" and "OUATOH" was with the pacing/final cut, which is ultimately dictated in the editing process. Personally, I find the pacing in both those movies atrocious. But I fully know I'm in the minority on that.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Whelp, this is probably the wrong time to come in to say I REALLY didn't like The Irishman and think it embodies all the worst tendencies of Scorsese's career, especially the latter years...

But gosh do I hope someone manages to convince him to actually, you know, edit his movie this time around.

....

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm getting deja vu. Last time everybody doubted The Irishman and he made his second masterpiece in a single decade. This movie is gonna be great.

The Irishman in the theater didn't feel like three and a half hours. It's a very well structured film, and that's what the pace is dictated by.

 

[weezerspider]

I think the funniest aspect of all this is a bunch of fanboys cried that Scorsese makes the same movie over and over again(which is an absurd take) and then those same fanboys don’t like The Irishman because it is nothing like GoodFellas or Casino.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Filmmakers tend to revisit similar themes in different ways. Scorsese likes the rise and fall stories he just tells them in very different and exciting ways each time. Howard Hawks remade Rio Bravo twice.

 

[moviedoors]

Filmmakers tend to revisit similar themes in different ways. Scorsese likes the rise and fall stories he just tells them in very different and exciting ways each time. Howard Hawks remade Rio Bravo twice.

Him reusing a similar template for a few movies is part of what makes them so interesting. THE IRISHMAN is great, but it's also fascinating when juxtaposed with GOODFELLAS. They have a similar energy and style, but they aren't about the same thing. There is a bleak, lonely, sadness to THE IRISHMAN that only an older filmmaker revisiting an old stomping ground would be able to tap in to.

 

[Persona]

The Irishman is a well-edited film. Every scene is meaningful to the story that Sheeran is telling us, which ultimately is a story about himself. The way the scenes flit in and out with Sheeran's unfocused mind but still come together to find a poetic logic and a crushing resolution (because the story fades into the reality) is absolutely no slight on Scorsese or Schoonmaker.

However, it is no Silence, which in terms of how the direction, cinematography, and editing work together is perhaps the greatest work of sustained technical virtuosity in the past five years. It's just on another level from most modern films in terms of how rich and intense its filmic grammar is. Parasite is comparable, though, in terms of that kind of precise achievement of mise en scene and aesthetic construction.

I am really excited for Killers of the Flower Moon and I don't know why we already have people thinking that it is gonna have "fat" that needs to be trimmed. And, really, when it comes to a movie that's telling the story of the Osage murders, I'd rather they err towards leaving details in as opposed to removing stuff so as to have a more Hollywood-esque pacing.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[DarkKnight88]

With this and the Darren Aronofsky pic, Fraser might be in for a bit of an acting comeback.

 

[Kane52630]

Don't forget, he was also phenomenal in No Sudden Move.