Marvel: Do NOT kill Cap, or make him the new ****ing Ronin

[Colossal Spoons]

Am I crazy for not even entertaining the thought of Cap dying?

 

[Xofenroht]

Not at all, because I'm not either. Nevertheless, I'm still pretty pissed I had to see the title of this thread considering I was trying to avoid potentially big reveals like that.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

What have you been avoiding really? The NA line-up?

 

[Frico]

Nah, I think he means Cap maybe being Ronin or dying, like my thread title says.

Sorry Xof.

 

[Xofenroht]

What have you been avoiding really? The NA line-up?

Yeah, pretty much that plus pictures of Logan's son before the issue came out, any mention of the end of civil war (which could have leaked like the Xorn/Magneto thing). I came back thinking it'd all be in spoiler tags. Oh well, it's not like it's the last page or anything.

Edit: Don't worry man, it is speculation until proven otherwise, like my immortality.

 

[stillanerd]

Count me in on as one of the people who is leaning into the "Cap is believed dead but is really Ronin" camp. We'll get his "heroic sacrifice" in Civil War #7, is thought dead, but is really incarcerated by S.H.I.E.L.D., then get sprung out by Strange, and takes on the identity of Ronin so as to not attract attention--thus another fine example of Marvel repeating itself with the whole "A disillusioned Cap takes on a new costumed identity to do some soul searching while kicking butt and calls himself Nomad...I mean Ronin" After all, "killing" of an icon is considered a guaranteed sales booster supposively. It did wonders for Superman (although not so well for Spider-Man.) Then again, considering how much prominence Hawkeye got in New Avengers #26, I'm thinking he's a strong contender too. After all, he, like Cap, has a history of having more than one costumed identity.

 

[Frico]

Count me in on as one of the people who is leaning into the "Cap is believed dead but is really Ronin" camp. We'll get his "heroic sacrifice" in Civil War #7, is thought dead, but is really incarcerated by S.H.I.E.L.D., then get sprung out by Strange, and takes on the identity of Ronin so as to not attract attention--thus another fine example of Marvel repeating itself with the whole "A disillusioned Cap takes on a new costumed identity to do some soul searching while kicking butt and calls himself Nomad...I mean Ronin" After all, "killing" of an icon is considered a guaranteed sales booster supposively. It did wonders for Superman (although not so well for Spider-Man.) Then again, considering how much prominence Hawkeye got in New Avengers #26, I'm thinking he's a strong contender too. After all, he, like Cap, has a history of having more than one costumed identity.

You're right about Clint. He's someone who's been in the MU for a long time, like Bendis said whoever the new Ronin is. And changed his ID to Golitath for that one time.

 

[Red]

Am I crazy for not even entertaining the thought of Cap dying?

How can you not?

He's not even on the New Avengers roster

 

[stillanerd]

You're right about Clint. He's someone who's been in the MU for a long time, like Bendis said whoever the new Ronin is. And changed his ID to Golitath for that one time.

More than once actually. Also, he's had other aliases besides Golitah. Clint also one time donned a suit of armor to become a "darker vigilante" type (I think he called himself DreadKnight), and at one time also called himself the Golden Archer. So, like Cap, he has changed identities based on his mood. He was also trained by the Swordsman, so he would potentially know how to use bladed weapons if he wanted to. Also, he is skilled in hand-to-hand combat, is a olympic-league gymnast, which also means he's a martial artist, which is what Ronin is apparently. And he was also been trained by Captain America himself. More I think about it, Clint makes a very strong candidate for Ronin.

 

[Tropico]

Am I crazy for not even entertaining the thought of Cap dying?

No. I'm not entertaining it either.

 

[CBK]

It makes no sense for Cap to die and be someone else. how can he fight the registration and recruit people to the cause if hes ronin.

 

[Artistsean]

No matter if they kill Captain America off or not, he will return. He was created during the war by Jack Kirby and then cancelled becausse he didn't seem to work after the war. Then brought back in Avengers.

Plus how many comic characters in Marvel, or the world, have been killed and then brought back? And since he is so popular if he is killed you know he will return.

But thats if they kill him, which I don't think they will. but I heard they are killing off two FF memembers, who they will bring back, so maybe they can kill him off.

 

[IronMan_2005]

Relax, Cap's not dying

Spoiler

from the looks of the Dr Strange preview, Cap's caputred. If he was dead why would SHIELD need to strap him down on thier table

IMO one of two things are going to happen:

for the next couple of issues, Cap stays captured, Luke Cage leads the team to free him, Ronin is Hawkeye or someone else.

or

Luke Cage leads the team to free Cap in the first issue, Cap "dies" during rescue, or so SHIELD thinks, but he actually just goes into hiding dons the Ronin guise and sets off the whole Fallen Son series, Wolverine doesn't buy it goes looking for answers, finds out Ronin is Cap and joins the New New Avengers.

 

[3dman27]

No matter if they kill Captain America off or not, he will return. He was created during the war by Jack Kirby and then cancelled becausse he didn't seem to work after the war. Then brought back in Avengers.

Plus how many comic characters in Marvel, or the world, have been killed and then brought back? And since he is so popular if he is killed you know he will return.

But thats if they kill him, which I don't think they will. but I heard they are killing off two FF memembers, who they will bring back, so maybe they can kill him off.

actually he was cancelled due to dr wirthams crusade against comics in the 1950s

 

[DraXXXen]

I say just kill em, replace him with Winter Soldier and it works.
Then a month after everyone is done throwing a fit, say he's back via a clone by Tony and Reed.
Follow up with some spiritual soul crap about the original caps soul finding its way into this new body (something like Spidermans spider totem..but make caps totem abraham lincoln in the dream) so everything is back to normal.
Don't forget to retcon civil war in the process just for kicks, making the one of the kids who died in the stamford blast actually the love child child of green goblin and speedballs mom.

you now have a typical Marvel story right there
...and you will all still buy it. :P

 

[samurai black]

Relax, Cap's not dying

Spoiler

from the looks of the Dr Strange preview, Cap's caputred. If he was dead why would SHIELD need to strap him down on thier table

IMO one of two things are going to happen:

for the next couple of issues, Cap stays captured, Luke Cage leads the team to free him, Ronin is Hawkeye or someone else.

or

Luke Cage leads the team to free Cap in the first issue, Cap "dies" during rescue, or so SHIELD thinks, but he actually just goes into hiding dons the Ronin guise and sets off the whole Fallen Son series, Wolverine doesn't buy it goes looking for answers, finds out Ronin is Cap and joins the New New Avengers.

good hypothesis, i just don't get all this hype over cap dying, like i said in post eerily similar to this one, this reminds me of the rumors swirling around Batman dying and Nightwing taking over in Infinite Crisis. In the end, he didn't die, dropped the insecurties, and came back stronger than ever. If anything, this past year has been landmark for Cap and Marvel would be clinically insane to kill off the leader of their heroes. yeah DC killed supes, but they still had the other trinity members as well as the 4 dupes. Cap may not win the Civil War, but he most assuredly will survive it.

 

[Artistsean]

Right, and they can always find some way to bring him back to life.
Look at Reed Richards, Colossus, Norman Osborne, Psylock, Jean Grey, and countless others. I think Thor, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, and some others are coming back too.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Ok, so like we all know, Cap's been the one getting the most heat of MAYBE getting the bite at the end of CW. All the clues, and speculation, and even rumors bring it to an all new high. Marvel is either stupid, or just plain crazy. Cap's a freakin' legend. A damn ICON. He can't die, he just can't. Man, I swear, if the only reason Bucky was brought back was for this, and if Cap dies so he can replace him, I'm going to be one pissed off Cap fan. Not to mention it would be damn predictable, and IMO, a dumb move. I can't speak for everyone, but I'd personally hate it. Steve Rogers IS and FOREVER will be Captain America. And if Marvel can't understand that history, then, I'll have to say that I'd officially be done. Marvel would lose me as a reader, 'specially for the CA title.

This "Cap is Ronin" speculation is bugging me even more. Seriously, Cap ditching the costume and shield, to carry on swords and shurikens? WTF?? That isn't Steve Rogers at all. And the Avengers is NOTHING without Cap on the team, and Steve under the mask.

I agree,The Captain stands for all American ideals.Truth and justice,freedom and respect.I dont belive any of this for a second,Marvel may be trying to do anything to gain on the competition.But this is something that should not be touched,if Captain America dies..then Marvel is dead also.

 

[The_Hulk]

Captain America can't die...because he's Captain America. The End.

 

[Kitsune]

I got Punk'd by Darthphere

Isn't that usually followed by "And all I got was this stupid T-Shirt?"

 

[Horhey]

Uh oh. After reading the latest interview with Bendis Im thinking Cap will indeed be killed or at the very least be captured. Seems like his death or capture is partly what motivates the team to stay together.

Brian Bendis: Well, that will be a question answered in the pages of Captain America, and in this book. But this is Cap’s team. Cap said these people are the Avengers so that is why they are Avengers. And what that means and how that motivates the team is a big, big, big, big part of why the series exists after Civil War. These people are together for a reason and just because the person who put them together isn’t physically there doesn’t mean that reason doesn’t matter… or matter more…

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html

 

[Marcdachamp]

Count me in on as one of the people who is leaning into the "Cap is believed dead but is really Ronin" camp. We'll get his "heroic sacrifice" in Civil War #7, is thought dead, but is really incarcerated by S.H.I.E.L.D., then get sprung out by Strange, and takes on the identity of Ronin so as to not attract attention--thus another fine example of Marvel repeating itself with the whole "A disillusioned Cap takes on a new costumed identity to do some soul searching while kicking butt and calls himself Nomad...I mean Ronin" After all, "killing" of an icon is considered a guaranteed sales booster supposively. It did wonders for Superman (although not so well for Spider-Man.) Then again, considering how much prominence Hawkeye got in New Avengers #26, I'm thinking he's a strong contender too. After all, he, like Cap, has a history of having more than one costumed identity.

I'm positive it's Cap, but I think he's only going to wear the suit in New Avengers. Thus, putting his team in LESS danger than they're already in. He'll still be Cap in his book. That, or he won't show up in his book for a while, and Bucky takes on the mantle.

Hawkeye probably won't show up for at least another arc. Ronin shows up in the first issue. I really don't think Bendis is going to rush Hawkeye back so quickly.

 

[3dman27]

Am I crazy for not even entertaining the thought of Cap dying?

not at all