Civil War Cap 3 or Avengers 2.5?

[yllum]

Just go into the cinema and watch this movie as : iron man: civil war

You will feel the title is appropriate as well.

 

[FN-2187]

Cap 3.

Steve's choices drive the plot. Tony merely reacts to Cap's decisions.

 

[ScarlettW]

Avengers 3: Civil War

 

[Dark Raven]

Just go into the cinema and watch this movie as : iron man: civil war

You will feel the title is appropriate as well.

I'm going to go and watch it as GOTG: Civil War and see if that works. Who else wants to try that?

 

[Havok83]

well that makes absolutely no sense considering GoTG werent even in this. i dont agree with his title, but it actually has some merit

 

[Dark Raven]

Dr Strange Civil War?

Or how about Justice League Civil War?

 

[The Caped Knight]

This was a Captain America film just like The Winter Soldier, it had elements of Avengers which makes sense because their his family but this was a cap film straight up from the start to end.

 

[JB33]

This is a post I made in the Scarlet Witch thread but I feel it belongs here:


The core Avengers (Captain America, Black Widow, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Falcon, War Machine) are there because the Avengers facility is now Steve's home.

Tony is there because of the Accords.

Ant-Man and Hawkeye are there because Steve recruits them to help him in his mission to defeat the super soldiers in Siberia.

T'Challa is there because he and his father are present at the ratification of the accords in Vienna and then Black Panther becomes a factor because his father is killed there.

Spider-Man is the only character you could say is truly shoe-horned in.


What I'm trying to say is, yes, it's a lot of characters, but they're all there for a purpose that revolves around Captain America or at least the Accords, which is a Captain America event. It is the ONLY story in Captain America lore that contains this many fellow Avengers and Marvel decided to tell this story to cap off an amazing trilogy. Makes sense.

It's NOT an Avengers movie. It's just a crucial chapter in the story of Captain America that happens to involve many of his fellow superheros because of the Accords. Period. The end.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Avengers 2.5

 

[Havok83]

It's NOT an Avengers movie. It's just a crucial chapter in the story of Captain America that happens to involve many of his fellow superheros because of the Accords. Period. The end.

Its a crucial chapter in the story of the Avengers. Everything that happens in this film has direct longterm consequences on the characters involved and the Avengers franchise as a whole. No other "solo" film before has to this extent. He and his story don't even get proper resolution at the end as it is played off as more as a lead in to the next Avengers film.

 

[JB33]

Its a crucial chapter in the story of the Avengers. Everything that happens in this film has direct longterm consequences on the characters involved and the Avengers franchise as a whole. No other "solo" film before has to this extent. He and his story don't even get proper resolution at the end as it is played off as more as a lead in to the next Avengers film.

Agree to disagree then. I see it as a Captain America story which involves several of his fellow Avengers. To me there's a difference.

I mean, two of the MAIN Avengers aren't even in this (Thor, Hulk).

 

[Havok83]

Agree to disagree then. I see it as a Captain America story which involves several of his fellow Avengers. To me there's a difference.

I mean, two of the MAIN Avengers aren't even in this (Thor, Hulk).

Theres like 10 Avengers. Not every single one of them is needed every time. Besides Hulk left the team in the last film and Thor had no reason to be involved in this

 

[Bo Dallas]

So much of who the Captain America character is revolves around him being a 'leader of men'. Heck, even the Punisher would run out into traffic for Cap.

With that being understood I always found it a bit odd when the ensemble aspect was held against the character's ability to draw money "on his own". Whatever that means.

 

[MarvelFan]

Its a little bit mix between both i think

But Captain America: Civil War has popular in Japan (the same level as when Avengers movie is released)
it even make a trending topic on Twitter 2 weeks ago in Osaka..(mostly about Spidey) , it something that never happened before for an MCU films until now

 

[The_Manhunter]

Theres like 10 Avengers. Not every single one of them is needed every time. Besides Hulk left the team in the last film and Thor had no reason to be involved in this

Plus in the comics the roster changes all the time. Does that make them not Avengers comics then because one or more of the big 4 aren't around?

 

[JB33]

Its a little bit mix between both i think

But Captain America: Civil War has popular in Japan (the same level as when Avengers movie is released)
it even make a trending topic on Twitter 2 weeks ago in Osaka..(mostly about Spidey) , it something that never happened before for an MCU films until now

That's good news because films that resonate with the Japanese audience have some serious legs there. It seems certain movies just keep in bringing handfuls of millions from there every weekend for long periods of time, especially animated hits like Frozen.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's a direct follow-up to both Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Avengers 2: Age of Ultron.

But really for all intents and purposes it's pretty much another Avengers movie.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It's a direct follow-up to both Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Avengers 2: Age of Ultron.

But really for all intents and purposes it's pretty much another Avengers movie.

Agreed. Feel more like Avengers movie and sequel to all previous movies with Cap including Avengers ones.

 

[Nebraska]

I wanted to give this a few viewings to make sure I was over that puppy love stage and got a good understanding of what drives each character and the main plot of the movie. If Zemo is truly the villain then his motivations are the main plot of the film. He was affected by the actions of the Avengers in Sokovia. His plan is to tear them apart by pitting their leaders, Tony and Steve, against each other.

The conflict for the rest of the team comes in the form of the Accords, which were formed because of the casualties of their battles around the world -- three of the four examples that Ross names were Avengers missions.

So we have a main plot and a key sub plot both working to create conflict within the Avengers.

An argument can even be made that it's more Iron Man 4 than it is Captain America 3, since the plot moves along based on his decisions brought on by the guilt over Sokovia/Ultron, which was mainly his fault, and his reaction at the very end. He starts the battle at the airport and in Siberia, and he's the reason Spider-Man is even in this film in the first place.

I'll go a step further than the original question and say that this movie is Avengers 3, not just 2.5. They are the main characters and the plot is driven by their actions and the actions of their villains -- Ultron in Sokovia, Loki in New York, Ross with the Accords, Zemo with Vienna and Siberia.

 

[daddydivine]

I think this is going to always be split down the middle even 10 years from now. I think it feels like people think it's Avengers 2.5 or 3 because the Russos did such an amazing job including so many characters, making them interesting, and giving them motive. If the side characters had been just decoration then everyone would be clamoring that it was a Cap 3 movie... that was muddled and overstuffed.

It feels like a Cap 3 movie to me just because of the personal nature of the film. The Avenger films have been huge world threatening events.

 

[TheVileOne]

In some ways, I feel like this is just as much an Iron Man movie. In other ways this is what I wanted Iron Man 3 to be more than what it actually was.

To me it's not really a big deal. I feel like we got a good continuation of Cap's journey and Iron Man's as well. I think it juggled all the characters a lot better than Age of Ultron. I thought the interactions and development felt a lot more natural.

 

[kguillou]

Guys, respectfully, I just do not see how you could deem this an Avengers film. Cap drives the narrative, most of the film is in his point of view, the climax revolves around Cap and his conflict with Tony.

An Avengers film would feature the Avengers in the big cilmax like the first movie and AoU but they are not present.The climax of the film was about Steve protecting his best friend against another man he called his friend. That is not an "Avengers"-type of climax. Theres no splash page action set piece with the entire team assembled fighting against the villain because it is not an Avengers movie.

 

[Nebraska]

Guys, respectfully, I just do not see how you could deem this an Avengers film. Cap drives the narrative, most of the film is in his point of view, the climax revolves around Cap and his conflict with Tony.

This is true ... if you left theater after the airport scene. The actual climax revolved around Zemo's plan to, as he put it, "make [the Avengers] kill each other." Tony, Bucky, and Cap are all necessary to make the climax work. Without Tony there is no fight. Without Bucky there is no one to protect. Without Cap there is no way Bucky and Tony both survive.

As for the narrative, it's driven by the differences between Tony and Steve. Tony's decision to sign is as crucial to advancing the plot as Steve's decision not to.

The thing that bothers me is that people see this as a negative that this isn't Cap 3. Just be honest and enjoy it for what it is -- Avengers 3: Civil War. It's pointless to ignore major plot points just for the sake of saying Captain America is now a trilogy.

 

[Havok83]

the thing is none of the Avengers needed to be in this. The movie could have been told and been fully supported based on the conflict between Cap, Tony and Bucky. I think maybe you could have thrown BP in there as well as Falcon (bc he's already a supporting character to Cap). Instead they not only put the Avengers in there but gave most of them their own personal character arcs and decided to follow story threads from the Avengers, not to mention serve as backdoor origins for BP and Spidey in advance of their solo films. Thats what made it feel more like an Avengers film. I think it feels like both a Cap and Avengers movie but the choice to implement the Avengers kind of dilutes and takes away from Cap. Its not 100% a Cap film. Maybe like 55/45

 

[ernesth100]

Dr Strange Civil War?

Or how about Justice League Civil War?

I always thought JL having Civil War would be an amazing concept.

Superman Pro Registration and Batman Anti-Registration

-Team Supes
Supergirl
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Cyborg
Wonder Woman

-Team Bats
Nightwing
Shazam
Hawkgirl
The Atom
Green Arrow
Aquaman

The figure behind it all "Lex Luthor".

Plot: After the events of BvS Superheroes needed to be put int check. But many heroes dont agree with this course of action.