Marvel Heroes Movie

[Cyrusbales]

But how long before the Avengers sequel threads are filled with "I want Spider-Man in the next one!" "I wanna see Wolverine!" "I want Blade! Why can't Blade be an Avenger! Avengers is a racist movie!!!"

O...............K. You could always post on the 'marvel are racist' sorta thread. I think people who understand how films work will be able to understand why blade may not be brought into fight, let's say Loki or something. I think people would be happy if it just followed the ultimates comics.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Dude, it was a joke. And I have seen ignorant posts like that, protesting Blade's absence from things like the "Marvel Super Heroes" videogame.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Dude, it was a joke. And I have seen ignorant posts like that, protesting Blade's absence from things like the "Marvel Super Heroes" videogame.

I thought so, but sarcasm is hard to put in your posts. lol. Do you read the ultimates? I'm waiting for volume 2.2 to come out, I think that would be awesome as a live action film!

 

[Chris Wallace]

I do read it. There are things I like & things I don't, but the animated films show that they'd translate well w/minimal difficulty due to backstory.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I do read it. There are things I like & things I don't, but the animated films show that they'd translate well w/minimal difficulty due to backstory.

I haven't seen the animated films, I can't get a region 2 copy

 

[Chris Wallace]

They're not perfect, especially w/their portrayal of this guy<---- in the second one. But they are entertaining.

 

[Spider - Man]

Salaries have little to do with it. Even if the rights to all these scattered properties could be secured, the movie incarnations of these characters were never designed to co-exist, but rather to be self-containted & self-sufficient. In the comics they're all working together all the time. The movies have different aesthetic parameters. Spider-Man is basically geared toward costumed nutjobs & street crime. The X-Men exist only to deal with mutant-related issues. Blade is EXCLUSIVE to vampires. (And is unlikely to appear on film again.) Punisher just wants to kill gangsters. The FF's MO hasn't really been established yet but will most likely pertain to cosmic threats. The Hulk just wants to be left alone, & Ghost Rider mainly deals with demons. These motifs just don't mix. It wouldn't work. This overcrowded story & convoluted plot would be a disaster in the making. PLUS-you're talking about replacing the familiar faces of the established films with unknowns? Do you really think that would sell?

I agree with some of your points. Replacing the actors that people have now associated with the parts they play would be dumb. Having a BUNCH of heroes in one film would be a convoluted mess, storywise and in relation to character developement. That's one reason why I have come out against having too many heroes in the first Avengers movie.

But it seems to me you might believe that even 2 of these characters in a common movie wouldn't work. I disagree with you there. The original Marvel comics heroes weren't ever meant to meet. When Stan wrote the Spider-Man origin story, I don't think he was wondering "Now will this character fit in if I want to include him in an issue of the FF later on?" But later they did meet as have nearly all the Marvel characters at one time or another, and by countless different creative teams.

I could easily see film Spidey webslinging over to the Baxter for help getting the black costume off. Would some things need to be altered? Probably. But a little on each end probably wouldn't be noticable. I guess I'd have to see Ghost Rider first, but from the trailers, I don't have too much trouble imagining him and Snipes' Blade coexisting onscreen.

I think it'll be interesting to see if, after the solo movies come out, all by different directors and apparently set in different times and even worlds, you'll feel that the individual Avengers wouldn't work in a team movie.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Right now, I do believe that 2 of these characters in a film couldn't work. Down the road, maybe. Again, there's the rights issues. Sony ain't givin' Spidey up anytime soon, & why ****e him out to team up w/a property that pulled less in total than he pulled in the first week?
As for something like him going to Reed for help, forget it. Just because they do it in the comics that way doesn't mean the movies will-or need to-follow suit. Did we see Wolverine going after the Hulk? No. The movies need to stay independent. When I go to a movie called "Spider-Man" I'm there to see Spider-Man. Not the X-Men. Not the Fantastic 4. It's like I've said numerous times. It would've been a really cheap ending had he shown up at Ock's lab w/20 superheroes behind him. That's not to say that if a solid' plausible teamup movie is thrown out there 5 years from now I won't get behind it. For now let's focus on getting good individual projects.

 

[Union Jack]

Heh not bad...tho it seemed to me galactus needs his voice to break yet!!

kinda had a david beckham voice thing going on!!

 

[Cyrusbales]

The trailer would benefit from a decent rendering and touch up, and maybe edit in some lighting or something to make galactus more impressive. Although if your going to use a stationary image, put it into a newspaper photo or something(daily bugle!) so it doesn't stand out from the rest for the wrong reasons. The voice was a little overkill, did you use moviemaker I'm guessing?

 

[Spider - Man]

Right now, I do believe that 2 of these characters in a film couldn't work. Down the road, maybe. Again, there's the rights issues. Sony ain't givin' Spidey up anytime soon, & why ****e him out to team up w/a property that pulled less in total than he pulled in the first week?
As for something like him going to Reed for help, forget it. Just because they do it in the comics that way doesn't mean the movies will-or need to-follow suit. Did we see Wolverine going after the Hulk? No. The movies need to stay independent. When I go to a movie called "Spider-Man" I'm there to see Spider-Man. Not the X-Men. Not the Fantastic 4. It's like I've said numerous times. It would've been a really cheap ending had he shown up at Ock's lab w/20 superheroes behind him. That's not to say that if a solid' plausible teamup movie is thrown out there 5 years from now I won't get behind it. For now let's focus on getting good individual projects.

I'll address the comments in bold:

1. I was speaking theoretically. IF the rights weren't an issue, I absolutely think that a multi-hero crossover would work on screen.

2. I didn't say they NEEDED to follow suit, but again, if they did do a cinematic crossover the right way, it could work. I'd say Jackman's Wolverine scrapping with CGI Hulk (9' please!) would rock hard!!

3. When you go to a movie called Spider-man, all you're GOING to get is Spider-man, but if the movie was called Spider-man vs. Daredevil, you may only be there to see Spider-man, but you'll see DD too! You know when I buy a magazine called Spider-man, I may be reading it to see Spider-man, but if The Thing is making a guest appearance, I'm not going to throw it down in disgust and yell "What's HE doing in there?!"

4. I think I already stated somewhere how I'm against a BUNCH of superheroes in one movie. I never said I wanted Spidey to show up ANYWHERE with 20 other heroes. I'm talking about a 2- or 3-hero crossover.

5. I agree. There are several more individuals I want to see in successful solo films first, but eventually you will start seeing crossover films, especially if the Avengers does well. And if they don't do well, it won't be because they COULDN'T. It will be because someone just didn't do it RIGHT!

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'll address #3 & 4, Spider - Man.
I simply mean that an individual movie should remain thus, & not turned into the spandex smorgasbord that some fanboys think they wanna see. I didn't mean that YOU necessarily want "Ultimate Alliance: The Movie", but I come across numerous posts from people who do. Or at least think they do. Unlike them, you & I have thought it through.
I have no problem w/#5, as shown in my last statement before the highlighted part.

 

[Chris Wallace]

But I still think it'll be at least 5 years before it can plausibly be done. Maybe longer.

 

[Spider - Man]

But I still think it'll be at least 5 years before it can plausibly be done. Maybe longer.

You're right about the latter. I'm thinking the same. I mean just for Avengers - IM & Hulk in '08, if they did 2 heroes each for the 2 years following (Cap, Thor, Antman, Fury) you're looking at 2011, more likely 2012 before the first Avengers. And the Avengers would be the first such crossover movie they would try.

I get you now and agree somewhat. I wouldn't want another hero "guest-starring" in a solo heroes movie. BUT I always thought it would be cool to see (rights issues notwithstanding) Spider-man swing by in the background during an FF film, for instance. Or see a headline of the "Hulk's Rampage in San Fran" on the cover of the bugle in a Spider-man movie. Just a nod to acknowledge that there are other heroes out there and they do share a common universe. But not to actually share screentime with the main hero or group.

BUT later on, when solo movies have run there course, and the genre needs a shot in the arm, I WANNA see Logan tracking the Green Goliath or Spidey team up with the FF in movies with titles that reflect those scenarios.

 

[Chris Wallace]

My only problem w/the idea of cameo appearances is this; if those other heroes exist, where the hell are they when the danger happens? Ever play the Spider-Man video games on PS1? You had people like Torch, Beast & Daredevil pop by to talk for a minute, but they don't stick around to help you against Venom or Electro. I always thought it was kinda stupid to have DD take off just before the cops show up & chase Spidey. Or Cap flies by Ock's lab in a quinjet after Spidey's done all the work. And at the same time I don't want them to help out b/c the hero's triumph should be his & his alone.

 

[Spider - Man]

My only problem w/the idea of cameo appearances is this; if those other heroes exist, where the hell are they when the danger happens? Ever play the Spider-Man video games on PS1? You had people like Torch, Beast & Daredevil pop by to talk for a minute, but they don't stick around to help you against Venom or Electro. I always thought it was kinda stupid to have DD take off just before the cops show up & chase Spidey. Or Cap flies by Ock's lab in a quinjet after Spidey's done all the work. And at the same time I don't want them to help out b/c the hero's triumph should be his & his alone.

Well, all I can say is if you'd have a problem with it in the movies then you must've been having the same problem with the comics. I mean, how many times has the world been within a hairbreadth of ending and one hero alone saves the day. I mean on a grand scale, with the whole NY skyline lit up and no one comes. The only explanation that comes to mind is that if you pick up any of the other mags on the stand, you'll see that each hero or team of that mag is likewise involved in their own world saving exploit at the time and can't readily slip away to help one of the others.

I mean, come on, just to read these things in the first place, you have to suspend your disbelief a bit. To be a comic fan almost implies that you are good at rationalizing situations. Otherwise you'd never get thru your very first issue!

Yes, it's one thing to see a hero pass by and continue on when he sees his fellow do-gooder in pitched combat with some super baddie. But all I said was have them appear briefly in the background during a quieter moment or just make a reference to them - like Jameson referencing Dr. Strange in SM2! That's all! I just always liked the idea that all the Marvel heroes lived in the same unierse - heck, the same town! I'd just like a nod o that in the movies whereever possible.

 

[Samster]

WOW i hope thay make it that can't do all of the Marvel Heroes Of Coruse
But thay will do alot i would hope for one's like Spider-Man Fantastic Four
Ghost Rider Hulk And well you know The big One's thay'd have to get a BIG
cast What Would You'r Cast Be?????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Thanks for the comments guys, I made the clip with windows movie maker for the person who asked on page 1

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, all I can say is if you'd have a problem with it in the movies then you must've been having the same problem with the comics. I mean, how many times has the world been within a hairbreadth of ending and one hero alone saves the day. I mean on a grand scale, with the whole NY skyline lit up and no one comes. The only explanation that comes to mind is that if you pick up any of the other mags on the stand, you'll see that each hero or team of that mag is likewise involved in their own world saving exploit at the time and can't readily slip away to help one of the others.

I mean, come on, just to read these things in the first place, you have to suspend your disbelief a bit. To be a comic fan almost implies that you are good at rationalizing situations. Otherwise you'd never get thru your very first issue!

Yes, it's one thing to see a hero pass by and continue on when he sees his fellow do-gooder in pitched combat with some super baddie. But all I said was have them appear briefly in the background during a quieter moment or just make a reference to them - like Jameson referencing Dr. Strange in SM2! That's all! I just always liked the idea that all the Marvel heroes lived in the same unierse - heck, the same town! I'd just like a nod o that in the movies whereever possible.

The difference is that comics have more room for that sort of thing. By this I mean they're ongoing monthly (sometimes bi-weekly) stories, with more varied plot points. So I can deal w/something like Maximum Carnage or Secret Wars in a comic, because a storyline like that has a generally solo hero seeking specific help for that specific situation. I can even take a situation like MTU, where Blade & Punisher are arguing on a rooftop while Spidey & Daredevil are battling Ringmaster. Now if Spidey was ALWAYS running to Mr. Fantastic or DD or whoever & ALWAYS calling in backup, it's get kinda lame. With a movie, you're not gonna see these people on screen for another 2 years or more. Let the focus be on the character whose name is on my ticket.
Now passive references on the other hand, are cool as long as they're not along the lines of "This is why Superman works alone."
I just remembered a line from those earlier games that I loved:
"No Blackbird, no Quinjet, no Helicarrier, no Fantasticar-no backup whatsoever! Where's the love?"
I wouldn't mind him saying something like that.

 

[Spider - Man]

The difference is that comics have more room for that sort of thing. By this I mean they're ongoing monthly (sometimes bi-weekly) stories, with more varied plot points. So I can deal w/something like Maximum Carnage or Secret Wars in a comic, because a storyline like that has a generally solo hero seeking specific help for that specific situation. I can even take a situation like MTU, where Blade & Punisher are arguing on a rooftop while Spidey & Daredevil are battling Ringmaster. Now if Spidey was ALWAYS running to Mr. Fantastic or DD or whoever & ALWAYS calling in backup, it's get kinda lame. With a movie, you're not gonna see these people on screen for another 2 years or more. Let the focus be on the character whose name is on my ticket.
Now passive references on the other hand, are cool as long as they're not along the lines of "This is why Superman works alone."
I just remembered a line from those earlier games that I loved:
"No Blackbird, no Quinjet, no Helicarrier, no Fantasticar-no backup whatsoever! Where's the love?"
I wouldn't mind him saying something like that.

Well, the bottom line is that our little difference of opinion (minor as it is) is pretty much a moot point. I don't really think we even disagree. I am with you that, FOR NOW, they should just do the solo movie thing because there's so much left to be seen in the solo realm. I wanna see Iron Man and all the Avengers done solo. I want Doc Strange done right. I want Luke Cage (would REALLY love it if they did a Heroes for Hire film with Iron Fist - maybe that goes against what you want?). I want a lot more that I'll probably never see like Morbius and Nova.

But after all the heroes are out and have several solo movies under their collective utility belts, I would love to see a crossover. Heck, if they got the right person to do it, I'd love to see a big 3-hour (maybe even multi- film crossover, ala LOTR or something) crossover with all of the heroes so far portrayed. If that's several years down the road, we could have Spidey, Hulk, DD, X-men, FF, Avengers, Silver Surfer, Blade, Ghost Rider, Punisher...

Wait, let me catch my breath...!!!

I think what we actually disagree on is whether it COULD EVER work. I absolutely think it COULD. They'd just have to get the right people to do it. I mean, the LOTR trilogy could have been done horribly wrong (odds were actually against it, IMO - I mean, a project of that scope has more chance of being screwed up just because of the size and length and number of characters) but it worked to great success! I think you're of the opinion of "Spidey and Blade and Hulk have no business being in a film together - ever - because there is no common element!" I say a good, creative writing team could bang out a great story that could logically (well, comic logic anyway!) bring all of those together in a superhero extravaganza that would never be topped!!!

 

[Chris Wallace]

Sure a crossover film could probably one day work-in theory. I wouldn't wanna combine the superheroes w/the non-superheroes (Blade, Punisher & Ghost Rider) on film but otherwise, maybe.
But as you said, the heart of our disagreement is in the practicality of such an attempt. And it's not even broad enough to really qualify as a disagreement. A disagreement is you like Coke & I like Pepsi. You're gung ho for the crossover idea & I'm skeptical. I could be swayed by the right presentation, that's all.

 

[Cyrusbales]

pepsi all the way

 

[Chris Wallace]

Lol!

 

[Asteroid-Man]

coke pwns :P in Canada
The US Coke is nasty same wit the CA Pepsi

 

[Spider - Man]

coke pwns :P in Canada
The US Coke is nasty same wit the CA Pepsi

Now THERE'S a crossover/team-up you're not likely to ever see!!!