Moon Knight Marvel Studios' Moon Knight General Discussion Thread

[Inhuman117]

Its rumored that Werewolf By Night and Dracula will appair so Budapest makes lots of sense

 

[Eddie Dean]

Budapest???

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I wonder when and how we will see the costume?

 

[TheVileOne]

I wonder when and how we will see the costume?

My prediction, D23 Expo 2022.

 

[Inhuman117]

My prediction, D23 Expo 2022.

nahhh thats too late i think

 

[TheVileOne]

nahhh thats too late i think

Not really. Depends on when they want to launch the show.

 

[Dr. Evil]

nahhh thats too late i think

2022 is probably Post-COVID, so it would be a perfect time.

 

[TheVileOne]

2022 is probably Post-COVID, so it would be a perfect time.

One can hope.

 

[Iceman]

Ha, I hope we one day see what really happened in Budapest with BW and Hawkeye.

 

[THORin]

Apparently the character breakdown for Marc Spector mentions him wearing a “silver” cape. So that means we should indeed be seeing the classic costume, as I suspected we would.

 

[TheVileOne]

Apparently the character breakdown for Marc Spector mentions him wearing a “silver” cape. So that means we should indeed be seeing the classic costume, as I suspected we would.

So they are going to make his costume silver instead of white? I wonder how that will look onscreen. Either way, he better have a costume.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

So they are going to make his costume silver instead of white? I wonder how that will look onscreen. Either way, he better have a costume.

Preach.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Very disappointed with the lack of news today.

Was hoping for some concept art.... sigh.

 

[Albright]

I was hoping for an announcement, who the actor is.
But after all those Manabyte and WGTC rumors turned out to be 70-80% true then it sure will be Oscar Isaac

 

[THORin]

Strange that they didn’t just confirm Oscar Isaac then and there, since Maslany and Steinfeld were both confirmed. Maybe the deal isn’t done just yet?

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Feige's talking about DID doesn't give much confidence in how that aspect of the show will be handled. They'll probably get flack over ableism.
Mispronounced 'dissociative' as 'dissassociative'
Using the phrases "suffers from" and "multiple identities that live inside him"
Hope they can manage to have proper consultancy for it on the actual show to avoid issues.

 

[Iceman]

Apparently the character breakdown for Marc Spector mentions him wearing a “silver” cape. So that means we should indeed be seeing the classic costume, as I suspected we would.

Excellent! Can’t wait to get a look at it.

 

[Inhuman117]

Strange that they didn’t just confirm Oscar Isaac then and there, since Maslany and Steinfeld were both confirmed. Maybe the deal isn’t done just yet?

or he dropped out because of Metal Gear Solid

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm more concerned about the Indiana Jones comparison and what that could mean for the approach to the show.

Oscar Isaac is in huge demand as of late. So the deal either isn't finalized or Isaac ultimately passed on it. We'll see.

 

[TheVileOne]

Feige's talking about DID doesn't give much confidence in how that aspect of the show will be handled. They'll probably get flack over ableism.
Mispronounced 'dissociative' as 'dissassociative'
Using the phrases "suffers from" and "multiple identities that live inside him"
Hope they can manage to have proper consultancy for it on the actual show to avoid issues.

This is still a comic book superhero show at the end of the day. I'm not watching Moon Knight for a realistic depiction of DID.

Also, ableism would be showing prejudice to Marc Spector because of his disability, which this show wouldn't be doing.

 

[Albright]

I think, he probably declined the offer. Being Solid Snake is probably more his thing, after his recent collaborations with Disney and Fox didn’t went so well

 

[SirStrangefolk]

This is still a comic book superhero show at the end of the day. I'm not watching Moon Knight for a realistic depiction of DID.

Also, ableism would be showing prejudice to Marc Spector because of his disability, which this show wouldn't be doing.

It's still ableist (and nonsensical) to perpetuate very incorrect ideas about a group of people that's already barely understood. Disabled people have made it very clear for a very long time that incorrect media depictions that shape public opinion of them harm them, even if not showing negative prejudice. Like how autistic people continuously express how harmful depictions of autistic savants in media are to them because it has a huge influence on how real people treat them, despite those depictions being inaccurate.

Can you imagine a movie about a paraplegic person that calls the person "paraplegistic", says that means their legs are turned to stone and implies that paraplegics are poor, poor, miserable people we should pity? Can you see how that's very dumb and also harmful to paraplegic people who will have to deal with people thinking that depiction is accurate?

 

[TheVileOne]

It's still ableist (and nonsensical) to perpetuate very incorrect ideas about a group of people that's already barely understood. Disabled people have made it very clear for a very long time that incorrect media depictions that shape public opinion of them harm them, even if not showing negative prejudice. Like how autistic people continuously express how harmful depictions of autistic savants in media are to them because it has a huge influence on how real people treat them, despite those depictions being inaccurate.

Can you imagine a movie about a paraplegic person that calls the person "paraplegistic", says that means their legs are turned to stone and implies that paraplegics are poor, poor, miserable people we should pity? Can you see how that's very dumb and also harmful to paraplegic people who will have to deal with people thinking that depiction is accurate?

Movies and TV shows do that on a regular basis for the legal process, police procedures and a whole mountain of other topics. They are fantasy and make believe at the end of the day.

Also, it's just as premature to pass judgement on some rather innocuous comments made by Kevin Feige.

No subject matter should be off limits for telling a story.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Movies and TV shows do that on a regular basis for the legal process, police procedures and a whole mountain of other topics. They are fantasy and make believe at the end of the day.

Also, it's just as premature to pass judgement on some rather innocuous comments made by Kevin Feige.

No subject matter should be off limits for telling a story.

I think there's a rather big difference between misrepresenting a legal system and a group of people, in that the system's quality of life is not threatened by misrepresentation. If you make a movie where people are guilty until proven innocent and cases get thrown out if they aren't solved in 1 day, sure lawyers and judges might get annoyed that things aren't right, but the legal system itself will not have to face the consequences of that influence on the societal collective consciousness. The legal system is not a person that will have to deal with people misunderstanding them and behaving harmfully towards them.

Try making a movie that unironically claims black people became black during their lifetime from staying in the sun too long and that they all love watermelon. Try then claiming "I don't care about a realistic depiction of black people. At the end of the day this is just my fantasy and make belief. And it's not racist because I'm not showing prejudice and didn't say black people are bad." Can you still not see how bad that would be?

And you're right, we don't know how the show will be. Perhaps Feige is just ignorant and nobody checked his presentation, but they will have DID advocates and consultants help on the show to make sure it doesn't happen there. That's possible. But I think it's good to spot potential bad signs early and point them out. At least if enough people do so early on perhaps they can catch some more mistakes earlier, before the show is finished.

 

[metaphysician]

1. To say that no one is harmed by unrealistic depictions of the legal system feels like a *huge* stretch, since those unrealistic depictions contribute to, amongst other things, jury decisions. Consider the influences on those decisions of, say. . . instant perfect forensics, confessions only ever coming from the guilty, and police being flawless paragons of virtue.

2. There is a limit to how much accuracy you can demand in portrayal of disability from what is essentially a superhero adventure tale, given that a strictly accurate portrayal of virtually all disabilities would end up with "The adventure tale does not happen, because a person with X disability is physically or mentally incapable of doing the tasks involved in being a swashbuckling adventurer". There is a spectrum, and not all inaccuracies serve a useful purpose, but presumably you do not want to push things to the "People with disabilities don't get to have superheroic power fantasies" end of the spectrum.