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So the marvel tv universe, which is a sub universe of the MCU, we've had two seasons of two different shows with one of them getting another season in another month, that's 3 seasons. Making it parallel to the movies, each season is the equivalent of a movie in a phase.

So, in my opinion, the timeline so far is:

Daredevil season 1 ---> Jessica Jones season 1 x Daredevil Season 2 ---> Luke Cage season 1

I think jj and daredevil season 2 are happening simultaneously. That would explain why [blackout]Matt didn't do anything during the purple man saga. Matthew has supersonic senses so if things in his personal encironment were peaceful he would have known about purple man.[/blackout]

But if I'm wrong, [blackout]And Jj takes place before daredevil season 2, both Mahoney and Claire should definitely have told Matt about purple man by then. So Matt should realize that even at street level there needs to be a team of superheroes

Let's not forget that in the alias storyline, it was Matt, not Hogarth, that defended Jessica.[/blackout]

What do you think?
 
I think we have almost 6 1/2 seasons of 4 shows. but maybe that's just me
 
Maybe we should wait until season two of Daredevil to find out rather than blindly guessing. Although Jessica Jones was far more of a personal story so Kilgrave's actions weren't obvious to outside observers, so I probably wouldn't read too much into it.
 
I think we have almost 6 1/2 seasons of 4 shows. but maybe that's just me
I haven't at all kept up with the abc shows so I have no idea where they fall on the timeline.
Maybe we should wait until season two of Daredevil to find out rather than blindly guessing. Although Jessica Jones was far more of a personal story so Kilgrave's actions weren't obvious to outside observers, so I probably wouldn't read too much into it.
purple man was affecting a lot of lives and it was happening in hell's kitchen.
 
But the way he was operating made him more myth than fact. It's only obvious from our perspective because we're following the story of the person who is seeking him out (while he seeks her out). There are literally scenes of people being controlled and people in the background don't know. Daredevil (who isn't necessarily on the same block) has even less reason to know.
 
But the way he was operating made him more myth than fact. It's only obvious from our perspective because we're following the story of the person who is seeking him out (while he seeks her out). There are literally scenes of people being controlled and people in the background don't know. Daredevil (who isn't necessarily on the same block) has even less reason to know.
If it's happening on hell's kitchen turf, daredevil would know. it is of my opinion that he's resourceful enough like that.
 
And I disagree with that. Obviously, we'll see in about a month (or not since Netflix shows tend to be fairly vague on the timeline*). But I think it's entirely realistic for Daredevil to not know about something subtle on his turf. In fact, I think the first season showed he had to go through considerable effort of investigation to find out about the Kingpin's activities and it involved [BLACKOUT]blinded people manufacturing drugs. If he didn't instantly know about Madam Gao's efforts, he wouldn't know about Kilgrave's work[/BLACKOUT].

* The only way I can think of to clarify the timeline is [BLACKOUT]if Clare mentions her encounter with Jessica Jones or Luke Cage[/BLACKOUT].
 
The MCU is generally real-time. Jessica Jones airs between DD Season 1 and DD Season 2, that means it occurs between the two unless otherwise noted.

One thing I like about the Netflix series especially is that the characters think more like adults and use less comic book logic. When faced with a mind controller, they don't say "Well, if we get three or four strong guys together, that'll help us deal with more mind controllers." They are more likely to avoid giving such an enemy a group of super powered peons. They'd probably be really REALLY thankful the Avengers didn't come to stop Killgrave.

It'll be really interesting to see how the Defenders come about. After all, what kind of problem calls for a team up of street level heroes but doesn't attract the attention of any Avengers? Chances are it'll be something that happens organically like how groups of people form in real life, as opposed to with a symbol and a bat-signal and a "calling all superheroes" call, which, honestly, half the Defenders wouldn't even answer... or else they'd join the Avengers.
 
And I disagree with that. Obviously, we'll see in about a month (or not since Netflix shows tend to be fairly vague on the timeline*). But I think it's entirely realistic for Daredevil to not know about something subtle on his turf. In fact, I think the first season showed he had to go through considerable effort of investigation to find out about the Kingpin's activities and it involved [BLACKOUT]blinded people manufacturing drugs. If he didn't instantly know about Madam Gao's efforts, he wouldn't know about Kilgrave's work[/BLACKOUT].

* The only way I can think of to clarify the timeline is [BLACKOUT]if Clare mentions her encounter with Jessica Jones or Luke Cage[/BLACKOUT].
Plus another thing to remember is just because Daredevil has great hearing he's no omniscient. He can't hear all things at once, remember what he said about Foggy talking on the phone he "has to focus on letting it in" and [BLACKOUT]he lost Claire trail pretty fast when she was kidnapped[/BLACKOUT]. Hell's Kitchen is still a pretty big place and when DD on patrol he's listening for screams or violence, not for some british guy giving orders. [BLACKOUT]Even the incident with Mahoney at the police station everyone wrote of as a prank, there's no reason to believe that Mahoney isn't convinced it was and further more no real reason to bring it up with Matt. First of he's Foggy's contact and second they don't seem to be super close, really only talking when a case is involved. As with most people who came under his control they'd rather forget about it than confront it(a major theme in JJ) so it's not something every victim is openly talking about. There's a lot of denial going on[/BLACKOUT]

So there's no reason why DD has to have known about it or whatever. It's perfectly reasonable why he wasn't involved.

As for the timeline I agree with DrCosmic, the series present day story take a place in order they premiere. It's much easier for Marvel to keep track that why, while giving show runner creative freedom without having to settle timeline disputes. How it fits with the film timeline I feel will follow the same principal. So DD season 1 is before AoU, JJ season 1 and DD season 2 is after AoU but before CW. Luke Cage season 1 will most likely take place after CW. I think that the assumption we should go with unless the series explicitly states other wise.

As for Agents of Shield, I picture either as an over lap in netflix's timeline in phase 2 or(to make things easier) taking place after the netflix since it usually lead to a major MCU film which I see as the milestones in the MCU.

So basically:

Phase 2
Iron Man 3
↓
AoS season 1: part 1
↓
Thor 2
↓
AoS season 1: part 2
↓
Winter Soldier
↓
AoS season 1: part 3
↓
Guardians of the Galaxy
↓
AoS season 2: part 1
↓
Daredevil season 1
↓
Age of Ultron
↓
AoS season 2: part 2
↓
Ant-man
↓
Jessica Jones Season 1
↓

Phase 3
Daredevil season 2
↓
AoS season 3: part 1
↓
Civil War
↓
AoS season 3 part 2
↓
Luke Cage Season 1 (possibly)

At least that's how I picture it.
 
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And I disagree with that. Obviously, we'll see in about a month (or not since Netflix shows tend to be fairly vague on the timeline*). But I think it's entirely realistic for Daredevil to not know about something subtle on his turf.
The crap that purple man was pulling was far from subtle.
In fact, I think the first season showed he had to go through considerable effort of investigation to find out about the Kingpin's activities and it involved [BLACKOUT]blinded people manufacturing drugs. If he didn't instantly know about Madam Gao's efforts, he wouldn't know about Kilgrave's work[/BLACKOUT].

* The only way I can think of to clarify the timeline is [BLACKOUT]if Clare mentions her encounter with Jessica Jones or Luke Cage[/BLACKOUT].
because he KNEW something was up, that's why he decided to start investigating. he realized there was a disturbance and he's resourceful enough to discover more of that.
 
The crap that purple man was pulling was far from subtle.because he KNEW something was up, that's why he decided to start investigating. he realized there was a disturbance and he's resourceful enough to discover more of that.
He only knew something was up at all when a shady business man offered him a ton of money to defend someone accused in a murder and let slip he knew about Karen's arrest. That's the only clue he had that led him to Fisk. Remember in the abandoned building when Vladimir says something along the lines "you really have no idea what's going on." It's because at the start of the series all he was doing was fighting crime. We literally see each step of his investigation and how his powers help but don't solve the puzzle for him. He only discovered the two detectives were dirty because he happened to be in the building and also happened to hone in on their conversation. He didn't hear it from across the city. As for the stuff purple man was pulling nearly all of it was one guy calmly telling someone to do something. Not something that stands out to someone standing on a rooftop that could be blocks away. And most of his orders had been written of as jokes, delusions, crazy people, etc. It's entirely possible that DD didn't pick up on anything first hand.

And what's he gonna do, beat a victim of mind controller for answers on what's just rumors for him?
 
He only knew something was up at all when a shady business man offered him a ton of money to defend someone accused in a murder and let slip he knew about Karen's arrest. That's the only clue he had that led him to Fisk. Remember in the abandoned building when Vladimir says something along the lines "you really have no idea what's going on." It's because at the start of the series all he was doing was fighting crime. We literally see each step of his investigation and how his powers help but don't solve the puzzle for him. He only discovered the two detectives were dirty because he happened to be in the building and also happened to hone in on their conversation. He didn't hear it from across the city. As for the stuff purple man was pulling nearly all of it was one guy calmly telling someone to do something. Not something that stands out to someone standing on a rooftop that could be blocks away. And most of his orders had been written of as jokes, delusions, crazy people, etc. It's entirely possible that DD didn't pick up on anything first hand.

And what's he gonna do, beat a victim of mind controller for answers on what's just rumors for him?
i'm honestly tired of arguing about this. maybe you're right. but i will just wait for an explanation in daredevil season 2 now
 
i'm honestly tired of arguing about this. maybe you're right. but i will just wait for an explanation in daredevil season 2 now

The thing is,s I'm not sure you can expect one. After all, I know if I were a showrunner for DD I sure wouldn't feel the need to explain in detail why DD wasn't around for JJ, or why he didn't help out in Age Of Ultron, or even why he seems entirely unaware of inhumans popping up around the globe. Because those are all plots of other properties that DD doesn't nessisarily belong in and I sure as hell wouldn't want to have other showrunners/writers/directors forced to shove my character in just because it happens to occur after my TV debuted. Just as I (as a showrunner) would be upset if hey were like, "hey we've decided to do this Hawkeye special so we need you to use Barton and part of his plot in one episode." Now if it were optional and I had a place for him, no problem. If they came to me before the project started and Hawkeye was always part of the pitch well, that's fair. But if I had, say, a very personal story entirely set around the idea of my main character needing to deal with this trauma on his own terms and suddenly I absolutely had to insert another hero we're going to have trouble.

Now asking for an explanation as to why DD had no idea about Killgrave is not as big as having a mandatory cameo, but at the same time I could do without the forced clunky exposition. Just like I don't think the movies nessisarily owe us any explanation on where other heroes are, especially when a reason is easily assumed from the plot (ie: IM3 - Tony was believed dead and wanted to get revenge against The Mandarin on his own. CA2: Steve has been labeled a traitor and isn't sure who he can trust) and in those cases the heroes actually know one another. DD doesn't know JJ, he doesn't have any sort of Big Brother set up that monitors the whole city and even if he did he couldn't be everywhere stopping all crime at once.

So, personally, I can pretty safely reason that DD was not around to deal with Killgrave because he's just one guy in a suit and not even a multimillionaire with tons of free time and contacts and access to police records and street cameras or anything like that. It's totally believable to me that DD could somehow manage not to know every single thing going down in the city. I mean, honestly, it's almost better if they don't address it since if you think about it...Sure, he likely would have been aware of Hope's case, but still it would require him to believe Hope's story (and remember that Luke Cage - a man with actual unbreakable skin - found the idea of mind control ludicrous) and then actively pursue an investigation. For the record, JJ had personally dealt with Killgrave before and he was stalking her at the time and yet he was still a difficult man for Jessica to track down. The first like 5 episodes of JJ were all about finding someone not crazy or high who would admit that Killgrave existed using a girl he was obsessed with, a lawyer working for a powerful law firm, and a highly public homicide case. Oh, and tracking him down wasn't just something Jessica was doing after work, it was her full time job. Matt has absolutely NONE of that. He does have a day job and while he's a lawyer himself he doesn't have nearly as many resources at his dispose as Jerry. He has no personal connection to Killgrave and none of the knowledge Jessica had going into the case. He could walk by Killgrave on a daily bases and wouldn't be able to recognize him, not unless his senses are now so super that he can tell the slight rhythmic difference between a psychopathic mind controller's heartbeat and every other New Yorkers. Basically by asking that Matt was aware of the Killgrave case you're also forcing the writers to admit that, actually, he totally failed at that investigation since we've seen the end of JJ and, spoiler warning: Matt does not show up at the end to save everyone. So, yeah, as a showrunner I would probably avoid adding unnecessary exposition just to explain how my main character totally failed at a mission that the audience will never see him work on at all anyway.

On the other hand, if DD2 and JJ take place at the same time than the series writers might feel boxed in with certain elements like how much trouble they can cause in Hells Kitchen and what they can do with the character of Claire (I mean they wouldn't kill her but death is hardly the only character changing event that one can go through). And even if they are simultaneous, as they totally could be, I doubt it gets referenced for much the same reasons I mentioned above. This is Matt's story. Unless referencing what is happening with Killgrave somehow adds to what is happening to DD it just wouldn't be relevant or necessary. It's just forcing the writer's to add something into the story that doesn't need to be there. Not to say that they couldn't do it and it couldn't come into play organically, but just don't expect it to be a detail they even care to deal with.
 
The thing is,s I'm not sure you can expect one. After all, I know if I were a showrunner for DD I sure wouldn't feel the need to explain in detail why DD wasn't around for JJ, or why he didn't help out in Age Of Ultron, or even why he seems entirely unaware of inhumans popping up around the globe. Because those are all plots of other properties that DD doesn't nessisarily belong in and I sure as hell wouldn't want to have other showrunners/writers/directors forced to shove my character in just because it happens to occur after my TV debuted. Just as I (as a showrunner) would be upset if hey were like, "hey we've decided to do this Hawkeye special so we need you to use Barton and part of his plot in one episode." Now if it were optional and I had a place for him, no problem. If they came to me before the project started and Hawkeye was always part of the pitch well, that's fair. But if I had, say, a very personal story entirely set around the idea of my main character needing to deal with this trauma on his own terms and suddenly I absolutely had to insert another hero we're going to have trouble.

Now asking for an explanation as to why DD had no idea about Killgrave is not as big as having a mandatory cameo, but at the same time I could do without the forced clunky exposition. Just like I don't think the movies nessisarily owe us any explanation on where other heroes are, especially when a reason is easily assumed from the plot (ie: IM3 - Tony was believed dead and wanted to get revenge against The Mandarin on his own. CA2: Steve has been labeled a traitor and isn't sure who he can trust) and in those cases the heroes actually know one another. DD doesn't know JJ, he doesn't have any sort of Big Brother set up that monitors the whole city and even if he did he couldn't be everywhere stopping all crime at once.

So, personally, I can pretty safely reason that DD was not around to deal with Killgrave because he's just one guy in a suit and not even a multimillionaire with tons of free time and contacts and access to police records and street cameras or anything like that. It's totally believable to me that DD could somehow manage not to know every single thing going down in the city. I mean, honestly, it's almost better if they don't address it since if you think about it...Sure, he likely would have been aware of Hope's case, but still it would require him to believe Hope's story (and remember that Luke Cage - a man with actual unbreakable skin - found the idea of mind control ludicrous) and then actively pursue an investigation. For the record, JJ had personally dealt with Killgrave before and he was stalking her at the time and yet he was still a difficult man for Jessica to track down. The first like 5 episodes of JJ were all about finding someone not crazy or high who would admit that Killgrave existed using a girl he was obsessed with, a lawyer working for a powerful law firm, and a highly public homicide case. Oh, and tracking him down wasn't just something Jessica was doing after work, it was her full time job. Matt has absolutely NONE of that. He does have a day job and while he's a lawyer himself he doesn't have nearly as many resources at his dispose as Jerry. He has no personal connection to Killgrave and none of the knowledge Jessica had going into the case. He could walk by Killgrave on a daily bases and wouldn't be able to recognize him, not unless his senses are now so super that he can tell the slight rhythmic difference between a psychopathic mind controller's heartbeat and every other New Yorkers. Basically by asking that Matt was aware of the Killgrave case you're also forcing the writers to admit that, actually, he totally failed at that investigation since we've seen the end of JJ and, spoiler warning: Matt does not show up at the end to save everyone. So, yeah, as a showrunner I would probably avoid adding unnecessary exposition just to explain how my main character totally failed at a mission that the audience will never see him work on at all anyway.

On the other hand, if DD2 and JJ take place at the same time than the series writers might feel boxed in with certain elements like how much trouble they can cause in Hells Kitchen and what they can do with the character of Claire (I mean they wouldn't kill her but death is hardly the only character changing event that one can go through). And even if they are simultaneous, as they totally could be, I doubt it gets referenced for much the same reasons I mentioned above. This is Matt's story. Unless referencing what is happening with Killgrave somehow adds to what is happening to DD it just wouldn't be relevant or necessary. It's just forcing the writer's to add something into the story that doesn't need to be there. Not to say that they couldn't do it and it couldn't come into play organically, but just don't expect it to be a detail they even care to deal with.

three quick things i'll say in response to you are that

1. unlike age of ultron that you randomly mentioned in your first paragraph, jessica jones takes place in hell's kitchen. the same hood matt lives in.

2. showrunners have to deal with the burden of fact that this is a shared universe. purposely not making a connection a priority is not gonna fly with everyone in the audience; a lot of people were disappointed with the lack of a cameo in jessica jones, which leads me to my third point:

3. matt murdock was involved in the alias storyline in the comics. so, not only would it have been a great cameo to include him in that final scene instead of hogarth, it would've been comic book accurate.
 

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