Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

[Erzengel]

I refer to Marvel as a one trick pony only in terms of quality. I know we could argue gross til we are blue in the face but X-Men, Blade were great up until the sequels.

Yes Marvel now has more sucessful movies out and you can argue quality about many of them. DC has only 2 movies out in the past 2 years with only 1 movie in the planning stages.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Since the only ones I had a problem w/were Blade: Trinity & Elektra, I don't consider them a one-trick anything.
As far as DC goes, the last thing I saw from them was V For Vendetta, which I enjoyed immensely. But you'd think a production house that OWNS the comic publisher could get more varied projects out.

 

[Erzengel]

You really had no issue with X-3?

 

[Chris Wallace]

No major ones, no.
I can list a lot of major ones but nothing that just ruined my enjoyment of the movie.

 

[brainchild81]

X3 was crap

 

[Erzengel]

I think Ratner did the best that he could with what he had but turned out a very mediocre movie. Sure there were some scenes that were fun but nowhere as good as the previous two movies.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Besides, we don't know what's gonna happen w/"Ghost Rider", "Hulk 2", "Punisher 2" & "Iron Man".

 

[Erzengel]

Ghost Rider? "Maybe it's something else?" Sorry that line makes me snicker.

Hulk 2? A remake and not a sequel?

Punisher? I liked the first one actually so I am looking forward to it.

Iron Man? I'm not a fan of Iron Man but look forward to Favreau directing as long as he stays away from Tom Cruise.

 

[KenK]

So, you're looking forward to two Marvel films, neither of them connected to what you referred to as Marvel's "one-trick", but you want to herald them "losing their edge"? O-kay!

 

[Erzengel]

Well don't you need at least 2 movies before you can call it a franchise?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not necessarily; as long as a follow-up is in active development.
And he didn't say anything about them being franchises.

 

[Erzengel]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.

 

[Weadazoid]

Ghost Rider? "Maybe it's something else?" Sorry that line makes me snicker.

Hulk 2? A remake and not a sequel?

Punisher? I liked the first one actually so I am looking forward to it.

Iron Man? I'm not a fan of Iron Man but look forward to Favreau directing as long as he stays away from Tom Cruise.

Hulk 2 is not a remake.... and it is not a sequal much like Superman I imagine a kind of Loose histroy will be used as an explanation.... Hulk 2 has the Hulk already out ... it is not an origin film.. there fore not a remake.

If Banna comes back well

 

[Chris Wallace]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.

I wasn't counting Iron Man either way; if you recall I said we DON'T KNOW what's gonna happen w/it.
I liked Punisher & I'm not even a Punisher fan. I think it would've done better at the B.O. if it hadn't had Beatrix Kiddo to compete with.

 

[Chris Wallace]

DC hasn't made a comeback yet, we'll see. Catwoman was a huge flop. Hopefully Batman Begins will help DC. As for Marvel, it's unfair to believe that every movie they put out will be a hit, NO studio has had consistent luck with its film properties. And Marvel has alot of great characters still to come, so let's not dog Marvel yet. Hopefully FF will be a huge hit, because you are right, if FF flops, Marvel will begin its downward spiral.

Boy was this premature. And inaccurate.

 

[KenK]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.

I'm just not understanding your logic; basically, the Marvel properties that have only spawned one film aren't worth mentioning? That makes no sense! You're basically talking about commercial viability. Quality is irrelevant if that's the case.

 

[Erzengel]

My whole "one trick pony" stance is subjective.

And the Marvel movies that spawned only one film and have no intention to have a sequel made or are in production limbo, honestly why should they be considered a commodity if they aren't going anywhere with it?

 

[KenK]

My whole "one trick pony" stance is subjective.

And the Marvel movies that spawned only one film and have no intention to have a sequel made or are in production limbo, honestly why should they be considered a commodity if they aren't going anywhere with it?

You're taking the stance of a Hollywood executive. You think comic fans think, "Oh, this movie didn't get a sequel, so we might as well forget it was ever made."? I don't think so.

 

[Erzengel]

I think we are getting our wires cross but let me add this.

Let me state again why I think Marvel is in my view a "one trick pony". Also, this is purely subjective or my view. You can agree or disagree with it.

Spider-Man - 2 movies, highly successful, loved by regular movie goers and fan alike. 3rd movie on it's way.

X-Men - 3 movies, 1 and 2 loved by fanboys and critics alike, did decent money with it. I feel the 3rd movie was barely mediocre even though it grossed more than it's previous movies. Most fans tend to agree.

Blade Movies - 3 movies, fans seem to enjoy the first 2, it but once the 3rd one came out a lot of people disappointed. All the Blade movies also don't surpass $95 million

FF - 1 movie, luke warm reviews and some disdain from longtime fans. Sequel in the works but it's being passed over because of the first movie

On many messageboards, like this one, it is the concensus that Spiderman 1, 2, X-Men 1, 2, Blade 1 and 2 are good to excellent movies.

Hulk, Daredevil, FF, X-3 are considered barely decent to average.

Blade Trinity, Punisher, Elektra are considered to be poor.

I feel that Blade, X-Men dropped the ball with their 3rd movies. FF wasn't really anything special. Honestly since Spider-Man 2, the only 2 comic book movies I was impressed with was Begins and V for Vendetta.

I understand that Marvel has Ghost Rider, FF, Iron Man waiting to be released but I think Spiderman is the only movie to consistantly deliver and the 3rd looks to be following in their footsteps.

I really hope this explains my point.

 

[brainchild81]

I wasn't counting Iron Man either way; if you recall I said we DON'T KNOW what's gonna happen w/it.
I liked Punisher & I'm not even a Punisher fan. I think it would've done better at the B.O. if it hadn't had Beatrix Kiddo to compete with.

I was thinking the same thing. Saw them both on the same day and liked Punisher better. I think KB2 was pushed back for some reason if I rember right so the just happened to arrive @ the same time. Too bad for punisher. Hope the sequel is good and comes out @ a good time

I think we are getting our wires cross but let me add this.

Let me state again why I think Marvel is in my view a "one trick pony". Also, this is purely subjective or my view. You can agree or disagree with it.

Spider-Man - 2 movies, highly successful, loved by regular movie goers and fan alike. 3rd movie on it's way.

X-Men - 3 movies, 1 and 2 loved by fanboys and critics alike, did decent money with it. I feel the 3rd movie was barely mediocre even though it grossed more than it's previous movies. Most fans tend to agree.

Blade Movies - 3 movies, fans seem to enjoy the first 2, it but once the 3rd one came out a lot of people disappointed. All the Blade movies also don't surpass $95 million

FF - 1 movie, luke warm reviews and some disdain from longtime fans. Sequel in the works but it's being passed over because of the first movie

On many messageboards, like this one, it is the concensus that Spiderman 1, 2, X-Men 1, 2, Blade 1 and 2 are good to excellent movies.

Hulk, Daredevil, FF, X-3 are considered barely decent to average.

Blade Trinity, Punisher, Elektra are considered to be poor.

I feel that Blade, X-Men dropped the ball with their 3rd movies. FF wasn't really anything special. Honestly since Spider-Man 2, the only 2 comic book movies I was impressed with was Begins and V for Vendetta.

I understand that Marvel has Ghost Rider, FF, Iron Man waiting to be released but I think Spiderman is the only movie to consistantly deliver and the 3rd looks to be following in their footsteps.

I really hope this explains my point.

Good post. Punisher was pretty good though. Blade 3 was lame. I'll watch anything w/ninjas in it, but Elektra was horrible. Begins was good, but those fights looked like they were filmed by a crackhead going "cold turkey" w/Parkinson's disease and Bale's batvoice made me laugh a few times.

 

[Shuley]

Marvel has had some good movies come out. DC has had more crap come out than Marvel has.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I think it is pretty even handed. DC has done more or bigger foul ups overall (Superman III, Superman IV, BF and X3 are both mediocre, but BF was better made, B&R was the worst superhero ever made, Catwoman was pretty close in becoming the worst superhero ever made) but Marvel has ****ed their good franchises (Elektra, Blade: Trinity, X3) and ruined good materials (FF, the Punisher, a few others).

However Marvel has Spider-Man which just hits the nail on the head and DC is pushing Batman the same way. Commerically though (for studio execs) Marvel is winning.

Past that Superman Returns has Hulk reactions and is likely to be hard pressed to get a sequel the same size. The movie itself doesn't live up to Singer's work on the X-Men. So I said and I stand by it is pretty even handed

Though I think DC won this year as V For Vendetta was quite good and Superman Returns was decent while X3 was pretty damn bad as Marvel (well more Fox) killed and ruined one of its better franchises and what was shaping to be a classic trilogy into the comic book film equivalent of the Terminator trilogy.

In the future Marvel has the Spider-Man movies (if there are anymore after 3) and Iron Man. DC seems to be relying mostly on Batman at this point and perhaps Whedon's Wonder Woman too though.

Oh well.

 

[brainchild81]

Haven't seen V for Vendetta yet but I want to and I've heard it's awesome. X3 AND Supes were both lousy a$$ films.

 

[Red Mask]

Vertigo is a safer bet than DC's costumed heroes.

 

[CConn]

Those will always be more mid-range budget/earners films than blockbusters, though.