The Amazing Spider-Man maybe

[©KAW]

Your reply would be great if someone actually "wrote it in stone"

I said "IF" you've wrote it in stone.

Please, for Christ's sake...get off your ****ing high horse. If you think Darkman was cheesy than you obviously have no idea that A.) it was meant to have a sort of neo-noir inspiration and B.) it was made in freaking 1990, anyone in the year of 2011 can call something that's 20+ years old cheesy, but it's not credible nor correct.

Seriously, you just come off as someone that hates Sam Raimi and hates light-hearted CBMs.

Calm yourself, what's wrong with you, do you need anger management classes?

I thought Darkman was cheesy as hell, and you didn't, no big deal. And I also think that it's one of Liam Neeson's worst movies. Look at this cheesy scene below, Liam Neeson dancing like a baboon in heat, just like Raimi's Peter Parker (dude loves dancing scenes), that whole scene is cheese to me:
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You're an idiot if you think we're going to be some reason for Arad to be pushing a character into the film. It wasn't for the FANS; Arad just wanted to interfere because he's a pompous ass. Sure, he said that Venom has a large fanbase, but it was him just trying to be Sam Raimi's puppet master.

He interfered because he knew that the Venom fans wanted Venom and there was big money to be made off of it. Sadly, I also blame the fans, they pushed for Venom to be in SM3 like crazy! Every question of every interview Raimi was answering idiotic Venom questions.

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/07/23/comic-con-new-spidey-director-talks-reboot

Nope, saw this, nothing was said that guarantees The Death of Gwen Stacy arc, but I hope it's so.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Nope, saw this, nothing was said that guarantees The Death of Gwen Stacy arc, but I hope it's so.

The fact that he refers to the Gwen Stacy Saga means nothing?

Yeah, I think we're done here.

 

[©KAW]

How does that translate to him actually doing the Gwen Stacy saga?

 

[Marvel Spider]

[YT]sMaWnzT0HeA[/YT]

KAW, Listen to what Webb says starting at 1:25.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Kaw doesn't listen though, silly. He only hears and reads what he wants to to.

 

[DIRECTOR]

i would be happy if she didn't die, but she has to die for Peter to find MJ

 

[Anno_Domini]

I said "IF" you've wrote it in stone.

And as I said, it's not like anyone DID "write it in stone", only opinions and you're sadly wrong to come here and shoot down what the majority thinks is needed for TAS-M 3.

Calm yourself, what's wrong with you, do you need anger management classes?

I thought Darkman was cheesy as hell, and you didn't, no big deal. And I also think that it's one of Liam Neeson's worst movies. Look at this cheesy scene below, Liam Neeson dancing like a baboon in heat, just like Raimi's Peter Parker (dude loves dancing scenes), that whole scene is cheese to me:
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I find it hilarious when you sound like a jerk with a huge ego and YOU tell others to calm down when they get tired with having to reply to your ignorant and arrogant posts.

And...that scene is FAR from cheesy as it was showcasing how much madder and crazier Peyton was becoming, but then again, you may not even know what good storytelling is when you also have no idea what cheesy and hokey means

This has NOTHING to do with what Raimi did with Spidey's dancing scenes in Spider-Man 3.

Oh, and by the way...Marc Webb had a dancing scene in (500) Days of Summer, so to be fair, at least make fun of Webb then

He interfered because he knew that the Venom fans wanted Venom and there was big money to be made off of it. Sadly, I also blame the fans, they pushed for Venom to be in SM3 like crazy! Every question of every interview Raimi was answering idiotic Venom questions.

And it's your sad interpretation to think Arad only brought it up because of the "fans". Much as how Arad didn't want to use Vulture, it was only what Avi Arad wanted and nothing else.

Will he push Green Goblin into the third film? No, I hope not, but to even compare what us fans are doing to what Arad did is just laughable to be honest.

Nope, saw this, nothing was said that guarantees The Death of Gwen Stacy arc, but I hope it's so.

Imo, I kinda knew you would say this. So, it's not surprising. But think what you want to even though any person watching this could guess what is in store for Gwen Stacy.

 

[Troy_Parker]

And as I said, it's not like anyone DID "write it in stone", only opinions and you're sadly wrong to come here and shoot down what the majority thinks is needed for TAS-M 3.



I find it hilarious when you sound like a jerk with a huge ego and YOU tell others to calm down when they get tired with having to reply to your ignorant and arrogant posts.

And...that scene is FAR from cheesy as it was showcasing how much madder and crazier Peyton was becoming, but then again, you may not even know what good storytelling is when you also have no idea what cheesy and hokey means

This has NOTHING to do with what Raimi did with Spidey's dancing scenes in Spider-Man 3.

Oh, and by the way...Marc Webb had a dancing scene in (500) Days of Summer, so to be fair, at least make fun of Webb then



And it's your sad interpretation to think Arad only brought it up because of the "fans". Much as how Arad didn't want to use Vulture, it was only what Avi Arad wanted and nothing else.

Will he push Green Goblin into the third film? No, I hope not, but to even compare what us fans are doing to what Arad did is just laughable to be honest.



Imo, I kinda knew you would say this. So, it's not surprising. But think what you want to even though any person watching this could guess what is in store for Gwen Stacy.

Kaw is the brick wall, and you're the person arguing with it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Kaw is the brick wall, and you're the person arguing with it.

Yah, I know...my German shepherd has more sense than KAW, but I'm bored, so I'm totally fine with arguing on these boards, hahaha.

 

[©KAW]

And as I said, it's not like anyone DID "write it in stone", only opinions and you're sadly wrong to come here and shoot down what the majority thinks is needed for TAS-M 3.

How am I shooting it down, when it's exactly what I want in ASMIII?

I find it hilarious when you sound like a jerk with a huge ego and YOU tell others to calm down when they get tired with having to reply to your ignorant and arrogant posts.

If you don't like responding to my post, don't.

And...that scene is FAR from cheesy as it was showcasing how much madder and crazier Peyton was becoming, but then again, you may not even know what good storytelling is when you also have no idea what cheesy and hokey means

Cheesy and hokey was that scene I just showed you in Darkman, unfortunately, that wasn't the only one.

This has NOTHING to do with what Raimi did with Spidey's dancing scenes in Spider-Man 3.

But it has everything to do with both Darkman and Spider-Man being cheesy movies, and both directed by the same director.

Oh, and by the way...Marc Webb had a dancing scene in (500) Days of Summer, so to be fair, at least make fun of Webb then

What do I care about 500 DOS, as long as he's not stupid enough to make Peter Parker dance like Jim Carrey in The Mask in ASM...I'm fine.

And it's your sad interpretation to think Arad only brought it up because of the "fans". Much as how Arad didn't want to use Vulture, it was only what Avi Arad wanted and nothing else.

Are you kiddin' me, Venom fanboys were all over the place screaming for Venom to be in SM3. Raimi said in his own words that Arad told him that Venom was the character that fans wanted to see (first question):

http://www.darkhorizons.com/features/1124/sam-raimi-for-spider-man-3

Do you think Arad doesn't have a computer, lol. It was easy to see what villain fans wanted. Most Venom fans didn't even care about the movie being crowded, they just wanted Venom, no matter what.

Will he push Green Goblin into the third film? No, I hope not, but to even compare what us fans are doing to what Arad did is just laughable to be honest.

Yeah, I am comparing Venom fans to Arad, they both wanted Venom in SM3, perhaps for different reasons, but they both wanted him in the movie.

Imo, I kinda knew you would say this. So, it's not surprising. But think what you want to even though any person watching this could guess what is in store for Gwen Stacy.

Yep, as they could also guess what was in store for Curt Connors. But no Lizard materialized. All I'm saying is wait and see. Fingers crossed that they actually do it.

 

[Billy the Poet]

dont you think ,that when it happens in the 3' movie , he must know how his powers work and can save her ?

I actually believe it must be his first reaction, instead of not knowing how to use his web. Something that would come up to his mind immediately, considering how little time he has. The fall may take just 20-30 secs and he has only half of this time to catch her before it's too late.

I always thought in this scene Spider-Man was too emotional and self-interested to think out the actual way to do that. He was driven by emotions, which is no sureprise, as his only love is just about to die. If he was more cool-headed, he would certainly try a more rational approach.

The Goblin knew it would all play, thus he wanted exactly that: under emotional pressure Spider-Man could haveplayed a part in the death of his own girlfriend. Planned, tragic and ironic.

 

[Gunga Diner]

Let's look at the word KAW loves using so much: "Cheesy."


1) There is nothing inherently bad about a movie being "cheesy." Nor does a movie being "cheesy" mean "comedic/light-hearted" or "careless."
2) Most Spider-Man comics are cheesy. Especially the early issues which define the character. The vast majority of his one-liners are cheesy.
3) Spider-Man was created for children initially and doesn't have to be DEATHLY SERIOUS ALL THE TIME

There are three definitions of "Cheesy," as far as I'm concerned.
A) Presence of cheese (dairy product.)
B) Melodramatic and sentimental
C) Inauthentic and tacky

I think that Raimi's Spider-Man moments have frequent moments of "B." I don't think that's an unfair statement at all. But I also feel like Raimi's Spider-Man movies took the time to flesh out the characters and make us care about them as much as the director clearly did. There are moments of heart and sincerity that nobody expected in a superhero movie. KAW feels that Raimi's movies were "C" and that's perfectly fine. I'm sorry he didn't like them as much as I did. Hope the new ones are to his liking.

That said, KAW has seemingly created an account for the sole purpose of insulting Raimi's Spider-Man films, his entire body of work, his credibility as a filmmaker, and anybody who likes his work. KAW is almost definitely a troll, and is probably no older than 16.

 

[©KAW]

1) There is nothing inherently bad about a movie being "cheesy." Nor does a movie being "cheesy" mean "comedic/light-hearted" or "careless."

Yeah, you probably think Catwoman, Batman & Robin and Tank Girl are awesome.

And this isn't the 1960s, Batman comic books were for kids too (someone tell Nolan to shut down production), but we don't need directors who have a juvenile brain and mediocre directing skills on these films.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

@Gunga Diner

I agree with you that there isn't anything wrong with cheese per se. And Raimi has certainly made a career of it with his over the top, exaggerated asthetic (minus the great A Simple Plan ). He has an unusual approach which I have grown to appreciate more over the years. Army of Darkness I've seen multiple times. But I think there is a big difference in using this approach or style for an original piece vs. applying it to a well known character lke Spider-Man. A character that everyone has their own interpretations of how he should be represented in popular culture. So when you have someone with such a distinct and idiosyncratic style as Sam Raimi interpreting that character, you are going to get some pretty extreme reactions, one way or the other, because of it. There is not much middle ground with Sam I feel. Personally I was let down with his films. I felt he shoehorned the character into his own tastes and asthetic more then anything. Others will feel differently of course. What grates on me a little is when people say that it's OK that Sam's films are "cheesy", because the character is a little cheesy himself. I think that's a bit of a cop out. I think it's more of a Raimi defense for people who liked the films more then anything. All comics were cheesy to some degree or another 40 + years ago (and still open to interpretation today). I believe Batman and Robin wore kilts when visiting Scotland in the 50's. And it was THIS era that Sam was representing (Lee/Ditko 60's era).

Remember when James Cameron was going to do Spider-Man and how psyched everyone (or most people) was for it? What would have happened if he actually did it? Or if the rumors of Fincher doing it (before Raimi got the gig) panned out? There is no doubt in my mind that their tone would have been more serious and grounded then Sam's. Do you think that after seeing those films, people would have complained that there wasn't enough "cheese" for their liking? I highly doubt that. Maybe they complain there isn't enough humor or quips in certain spots, but that's different then cheese or camp. I'm personally excited for the new direction of the charater. And for the people who like Raimi, they have three (or two) films which they can enjoy.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Kaw doesn't listen though, silly. He only hears and reads what he wants to to.

Exactly.

 

[Godzilla2014]

and maybe



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love this pic

God, Humberto Ramos's art style ruined that story.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Tbh, it's a personal favorite Goblin story of mine. And Ramos's art had a certain feel to it and it has evolved over time, if you ask me.

 

[Godzilla2014]

^^ Tbh, it's a personal favorite Goblin story of mine. And Ramos's art had a certain feel to it and it has evolved over time, if you ask me.

Ramos's art is just terrible in my opinion. He makes everyone look like apes. The script and the story for A Death In The Family are great, if a little too much like The Killing Joke in places, but the art is subpar, in my opinion. I would love to see the story redrawn by a different artist.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just always felt Ramos brought a sense of mood. I mean, he's not on my top 5 favorites list, but I do think his art can be good.

 

[Anno_Domini]

How am I shooting it down, when it's exactly what I want in ASMIII?

God dangit man, do you realize that your whole point is mine as well as others? We all want to see Green Goblin in the third installment, so why are you arguing at others that makes mention of the SAME exact thing? Do you WANT to argue or what?

If you don't like responding to my post, don't.

It's easier to do than just trying to get you to severely understand. Rudy, my dog, learned how to shake hands a couple days ago...I can't get you to understand anything

Cheesy and hokey was that scene I just showed you in Darkman, unfortunately, that wasn't the only one.

Lol, you're an idiot. Use other words that would make sense

But it has everything to do with both Darkman and Spider-Man being cheesy movies, and both directed by the same director.

That's great if you knew how to use cheesy correctly

What do I care about 500 DOS, as long as he's not stupid enough to make Peter Parker dance like Jim Carrey in The Mask in ASM...I'm fine.

Gotta ask...do you think The Mask was cheesy?

Are you kiddin' me, Venom fanboys were all over the place screaming for Venom to be in SM3. Raimi said in his own words that Arad told him that Venom was the character that fans wanted to see (first question):

http://www.darkhorizons.com/features/1124/sam-raimi-for-spider-man-3

Do you think Arad doesn't have a computer, lol. It was easy to see what villain fans wanted. Most Venom fans didn't even care about the movie being crowded, they just wanted Venom, no matter what.

Yeah, I am comparing Venom fans to Arad, they both wanted Venom in SM3, perhaps for different reasons, but they both wanted him in the movie.

Still saddening that you think Arad was telling the truth when he brought up the fanbase of Venom as his defense. I guess you'll believe anything Arad says...so, you're on his side when he said Vulture wouldn't work, correct? Wait, don't answer that...it was, if anything, a rhetoric question because I know exactly what your answer would be.

Yep, as they could also guess what was in store for Curt Connors. But no Lizard materialized. All I'm saying is wait and see. Fingers crossed that they actually do it.

I guess I can understand this point, but then you're asking for a big fat answer on video to literally explain if Webb was using Lizard or using the Death of Gwen Stacy and that is NOT needed.

And once again, you mention to just wait and see...so I guess when people do bring up how they want to use Green Goblin, we shouldn't? Because what? Because...Arad will hear us? Really? That's your reasoning of why fans shouldn't be talking about how the third film should use Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy?

Perfect logic. NOW I understand

 

[Anno_Domini]

Kaw doesn't listen though, silly. He only hears and reads what he wants to to.

I hope his name starts with a 'K' as I have the perfect words for the acronym 'KAW'.

 

[Lord]

somebody should change khaaaaaaan for @Kaw in this meme

 

[Gunga Diner]

God dangit man, do you realize that your whole point is mine as well as others? We all want to see Green Goblin in the third installment, so why are you arguing at others that makes mention of the SAME exact thing? Do you WANT to argue or what?

Of course he does.

 

[©KAW]

God dangit man, do you realize that your whole point is mine as well as others? We all want to see Green Goblin in the third installment, so why are you arguing at others that makes mention of the SAME exact thing? Do you WANT to argue or what?

I always thought it takes two to argue, if you're responding back to me, aren't you talking to yourself, as well?

It's easier to do than just trying to get you to severely understand. Rudy, my dog, learned how to shake hands a couple days ago...I can't get you to understand anything

Translation: You can't stop yourself from responding to me. So I guess we both like to argue, eh?

Lol, you're an idiot. Use other words that would make sense

That's great if you knew how to use cheesy correctly

Cheesy + hokey + mediocre + Sam Raimi = Darkman

Nah, these words are fitting for such a movie.

Gotta ask...do you think The Mask was cheesy?

You don't think Darkman is cheesy, how would you even comprehend whether or not The Mask is?

Still saddening that you think Arad was telling the truth when he brought up the fanbase of Venom as his defense. I guess you'll believe anything Arad says...so, you're on his side when he said Vulture wouldn't work, correct? Wait, don't answer that...it was, if anything, a rhetoric question because I know exactly what your answer would be.

Oh, I was here when Venom fans were going nuts over putting Venom in SM3. They regret it now and won't admit to it, but it happened on every board you went to. I experienced it for myself, unfortunately.

I guess I can understand this point, but then you're asking for a big fat answer on video to literally explain if Webb was using Lizard or using the Death of Gwen Stacy and that is NOT needed.

I'm not interested in a director's play on words, if you're not specific in naming exactly what your goals are, then don't say anything at all. Plus, Webb isn't in charge of what villains shows up on screen, Sony is, and they can change things at a moments notice. I haven't forgotten that, obviously, you have. Let me refresh your memory: "We're just doing rewrites on SM4"...oh wait...we're rebooting the whole damn thing" sorry for the mix up.

And once again, you mention to just wait and see...so I guess when people do bring up how they want to use Green Goblin, we shouldn't? Because what? Because...Arad will hear us? Really? That's your reasoning of why fans shouldn't be talking about how the third film should use Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy?

Perfect logic. NOW I understand

Yeah, I don't want you to talk about Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy (it's forbidden) and you better listen to me.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I always thought it takes two to argue, if you're responding back to me, aren't you talking to yourself, as well?
Translation: You can't stop yourself from responding to me. So I guess we both like to argue, eh?

Do you listen to yourself speak/type? YOU'RE the one who said first that fans should stop talking about Webb using Green Goblin. I am not starting what was an idiotic conversation as you got on your high horse stating fans shouldn't say GG should be in the third film even when you're stating the exact thing.

A bit hyprocrite, much? I think so. Just to make a big speech even though you believe and saying the same exact thing as everyone on this thread

Cheesy + hokey + mediocre + Sam Raimi = Darkman

Nah, these words are fitting for such a movie.

Again, you have no idea what cheesy and hokey means. Sorry bro

You don't think Darkman is cheesy, how would you even comprehend whether or not The Mask is?

I'm asking you just because your definitions are screwed up already

I'm not interested in a director's play on words, if you're not specific in naming exactly what your goals are, then don't say anything at all. Plus, Webb isn't in charge of what villains shows up on screen, Sony is, and they can change things at a moments notice. I haven't forgotten that, obviously, you have. Let me refresh your memory: "We're just doing rewrites on SM4"...oh wait...we're rebooting the whole damn thing" sorry for the mix up.

Yeah, I don't want you to talk about Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy (it's forbidden) and you better listen to me.

Stubborn

As you can tell, I'm not typing much because...I'm just tired of your ignorance.