MCU Fight: Abomination vs Scarlet Witch

[kedrell]

Since she hasn't figured out how to alter reality and erase him from existence yet unlike her comics counterpart, I'd have to give this to Blonsky. It's very nearly like asking SW to fight the Hulk and ask yourself how'd that turn out. Foes like Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive aren't very comparable.

 

[kedrell]

Wanda easily lifted multiple wheels of death.

Her power has grown immensely since Age of Ultron.

Unless he hits her by surprise and kills her Wanda would pull his heart out through his nose or throw him off the planet.I

A simple thunderclap from him ruptures her eardrums and removes her ability to concentrate and use her powers. Then he steps on her like a bug. End of fight. War Machine already proved this works on her in CW.

 

[Batmannerism]

A simple thunderclap from him ruptures her eardrums and removes her ability to concentrate and use her powers. Then he steps on her like a bug. End of fight. War Machine already proved this works on her in CW.

War machine blasted her from behind, while she was holding up a massive amount of debris. Has Abomination used a thunderclap in the film ? Comics maybe, films no, and also not possible after she pulls his bones out of his body, as parts of them are helpfully sticking out.

 

[kedrell]

He saw Hulk do it so now he knows it can be done. He simply lacked the opportunity to try it out. Whether WM did from behind or not, having the ability to concentrate is vital to her ability to use her powers. Remove that and she's helpless. Physically she's just an athletic human woman with all the frailties thereof. That's her Achilles Heel.

 

[Thör-El]

It's very nearly like asking SW to fight the Hulk and ask yourself how'd that turn out. Foes like Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive aren't very comparable.

Not even close. Hulk's way tougher/stronger than he was in his solo film and even back then once he got angry enough he was overpowering Abom.

She trounced Proxima/Corvus, held back Thanos (who had overpowered Hulk) with one hand, tore vibranium Ultron's heart out and has beaten Iron Man and overpowered Vision.

He saw Hulk do it so now he knows it can be done. He simply lacked the opportunity to try it out. Whether WM did from behind or not, having the ability to concentrate is vital to her ability to use her powers. Remove that and she's helpless. Physically she's just an athletic human woman with all the frailties thereof. That's her Achilles Heel.

Not a strong argument. Yes, she's physically human and a glass cannon which makes her weak to surprise attacks from War Machine/Proxima. On the other hand though if she can see an attack coming she can counter it/ use her force fields to block it. And if she can conjure force fields that hold back Thanos/lift things hundreds of tonnes heavier than Blonsky then no way do I buy that Blonsky's attacks (thunderclap included, if Abom can even do one) are getting past her shields.

 

[jaqua99]

Being more powerful doesnt mean winning in a fight.

How does Wanda KO him?

 

[jaqua99]

Wanda "beating" Vision means nothing. She controlled his powers by controlling the mindstone. A McGuffin that she is HEAVILY tied to. It isnt a combat feat. She also didnt hold back Thanos. She "slowed down" a walking "calm" excited Thanos. If he was enraged like on titan, he would probably have run through it.

Wanda hasn't defeated any powerhouse in combat yet. She has *near* Thor potential, but is way to inexperiencef still. How can she KO Blonsky?

It has to be stomp for Wanda or Abom. Cause all he needs is to get her panicking. What is she going to do? Ragdoll him? What will that do? Can we quantify how strong she can ragdoll? Thor's hammer strike into the ground did WAY more damage than Wanda dropping massive ships into the ground, so her TK "slams" probably arent enough to KO him.

Still, she has no combat feats doing this, aside from against street levelers.

I feel people are just looking at power. This is in a fight. Combat. Heads up. No prep. I cannot see Wanda winning this. She may deserve a high spot in tier ranking than him, but I see him winning 8/10 times. 8 of those wins being without too much effort. Qnd 2 or 3 of them resulting in Wanda's death. These are battle threads. She doesnt have feats in combat.

Slowing down Thanos is NOT an impressive feat. He was walking. Wasnt using all his strength.

But if we want to cherry pick out of context feats, cap's two arms are stronger than Thanos' one arm, since he resisted it. If Wanda is powerful enough to hold back Thanos, Cap is strong enough to hold back Thanos.

Given Thanos strength through out the movie, and his agressiveness when serious...it was pretry clear Thanos in Wakanda was child's play.

Abomination wins this battle.

 

[Thör-El]

Being more powerful doesnt mean winning in a fight.

How does Wanda KO him?

Depends how ruthless she's feeling. She's capable of ragdolling him over and over and hurting him with the impact, slamming him through the ground, using force fields around his neck to choke him out, telekinetically breaking his bones or even tearing out his heart like she did with vibranium Ultron.

Obviously if Wanda isn't going all out the fight lasts longer but the power gap is huge.

 

[Thör-El]

Wanda "beating" Vision means nothing. She controlled his powers by controlling the mindstone. A McGuffin that she is HEAVILY tied to. It isnt a combat feat. .

She manipulated the mind stone to mess with his density and make him let Hawkeye go but it was a telekinetic blast that slammed him through floor after floor of concrete.

She also didnt hold back Thanos. She "slowed down" a walking "calm" excited Thanos. If he was enraged like on titan, he would probably have run through it.

But if we want to cherry pick out of context feats, cap's two arms are stronger than Thanos' one arm, since he resisted it. If Wanda is powerful enough to hold back Thanos, Cap is strong enough to hold back Thanos.

Cap briefly resisted Thanos closing his hand to use the gauntlet.

SW put up a shield that made Thanos grit his teeth, lean into it and push with both hands. He even closes his fist ready to use the gauntlet if he needs to. He never broke through her shield, she held him off with one hand long enough to destroy the mind stone with the other. It's a hell of a feat.

And Abomination isn't in the same league as Thanos anyway.

 

[BigThor]

Lmao

 

[ernesth100]

A suggest. Abomination vs Kurse or Fenris.

 

[Fosterson]

A suggest. Abomination vs Kurse or Fenris.

Abom would lose both of those badly. He's inferior to both Thor and the current Hulk, who struggled against Kurse and Fenris respectively.

 

[Fosterson]

Wanda "beating" Vision means nothing. She controlled his powers by controlling the mindstone. A McGuffin that she is HEAVILY tied to. It isnt a combat feat. She also didnt hold back Thanos. She "slowed down" a walking "calm" excited Thanos. If he was enraged like on titan, he would probably have run through it.

There's no reason to think that Thanos wasn't giving his all in that scene. He was using both the Gauntlet and his other arm to shield himself and using his full body to push through it, as Thor-El pointed out. And besides, Wanda was only using one arm to hold him back. If she'd directed her full power against him, then he would have probably found it nearly impossible to break through.

You're making it sound as if Thanos just strolled through her TK with no effort whatsoever.

And besides, Thanos is on another planet in terms of strength to Abom. This is the guy who stomped both Thor and Hulk (a vastly superior Hulk to the one Blonsky fought) with just one Stone. And Wanda was holding him back when he had five.

but is way to inexperiencef still.

Technically, she's significantly more experienced than both Doctor Strange and Spider-Man. And yet I don't hear anyone using this argument against them.

How can she KO Blonsky?

Rip his heart out (I don't buy that his skin is tougher than Vibranium); drop a building on him; break his neck etc.

Thor's hammer strike into the ground did WAY more damage than Wanda dropping massive ships into the ground, so her TK "slams" probably arent enough to KO him.

Wanda doesn't need an attack as powerful as Thor's hammer strike in order to hurt Abom.

Slowing down Thanos is NOT an impressive feat. He was walking. Wasnt using all his strength.

And Wanda was only using one arm.

If Wanda is powerful enough to hold back Thanos, Cap is strong enough to hold back Thanos.

Nope. When has Cap supported the weight of an entire building? Or stopped dozens of giant metal wheels each weighing tens of tons?

That's what you call an outlier.

Given Thanos strength through out the movie, and his agressiveness when serious...it was pretry clear Thanos in Wakanda was child's play.

Why? He was having to face all of the Avengers at once, and the last of the Stones was finally within his grasp. What reason would he have to not take things seriously?

 

[ernesth100]

Abom would lose both of those badly. He's inferior to both Thor and the current Hulk, who struggled against Kurse and Fenris respectively.

I'm sure he wouldn't have much a problem with Kurse. But Fenris I can see where it may be a mismatch.

 

[Thör-El]

I'm sure he wouldn't have much a problem with Kurse. But Fenris I can see where it may be a mismatch.

Kurse is way above Abomination too.

He gave a pissed off Mjolnir wielding Thor one of the most one sided beatdowns in the whole MCU. Granted Thor fought stupidly and tried to brawl rather than using lightning but trashing Thor in hand to hand is still an incredible feat. Hulk couldn't do that and Abomination definitely couldn't.

Abomination vs Fenris would be closer but I'd still give it to Fenris.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wanda is really powerful, but then one hit from Proxima Midnight in the Wakanda fight out her down for a good amount of time. If Blonsky is able that same opening that Proxima did, he kills her in one punch. ‘If’ being the operative word though.

 

[jaqua99]

A suggest. Abomination vs Kurse or Fenris.

Seperate tiers.

 

[jaqua99]

12-7. Not a popular battle

 

[BigThor]

People were talking about Scarlett Witch throwing someone of the planet, well Quake on AOS actually did it.

 

[Thör-El]

Seperate tiers.

I still have no idea why Fenris is in the transcendent tier. The only feat we saw is a close fight with Hulk. Hulk won and he's in the powerhouse tier.

 

[BigThor]

In the way Hulk won there's nothing to suggest he's more powerful, he simply removed Fenris from the battlefield.

Nothing Hulk did really hurt Fenris and Fenris was portrayed to be pretty much completely invulnerable.

 

[Thör-El]

In the way Hulk won there's nothing to suggest he's more powerful, he simply removed Fenris from the battlefield.

Nothing Hulk did really hurt Fenris and Fenris was portrayed to be pretty much completely invulnerable.

Hulk definitely seemed stronger to me. He stopped Fenris mid-sprint on the bifrost then later he held her jaws open and body slammed her. Even when Fenris managed to bite him he rallied and made her release him/sent her over the cliff with one right hook.

It was a close fight and if the cliff hadn't been there it would've kept going and Fenris might've had a chance. Even if you think she's above Hulk I definitely don't buy they're in different tiers.

 

[Surfer]

I still have no idea why Fenris is in the transcendent tier. The only feat we saw is a close fight with Hulk. Hulk won and he's in the powerhouse tier.

Well Fenris was placed in the Transcendant Tier speculatively which is how he got started in that tier. However, we are now allowing characters at the top of the tiers below to battle into bottom of the tiers above. So, with that said if Fenris were to lose to Ultron Prime there could be a battle conducted between Thor and Fenris. If Fenris were to lose they would swap tier placements. Thor becoming the bottom of the Transcendant Tier with the opportunity to continue upward and Fenris at the Top of the Powerhouse Tier with the ability to continue battling downward. So, my point is that where a character starts is not a guarantee of where they will end up. Especially in cases where the character continues to reappear in movies and new feats and abilities are presented to fans for consideration. So, true final placements can only really be conducted with characters that never will reappear in film or Television. Every other characters final placement is really only a Final Placement as of their most recent showing. Which means we need to reevaluate when they reappear, making the list somewhat a constant work in progress.

Hope that explains it.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Hulk definitely seemed stronger to me. He stopped Fenris mid-sprint on the bifrost then later he held her jaws open and body slammed her. Even when Fenris managed to bite him he rallied and made her release him/sent her over the cliff with one right hook.

It was a close fight and if the cliff hadn't been there it would've kept going and Fenris might've had a chance. Even if you think she's above Hulk I definitely don't buy they're in different tiers.

Hard to compare the strength of a wolf with no arms and hands for leverage to a humanoid like Hulk.

 

[jaqua99]

Hard to compare the strength of a wolf with no arms and hands for leverage to a humanoid like Hulk.

Given how Hulk spent that fight getting ragdolled, and Fenris broke skin, she was clearly above Hulk.