MCU Fight: Hulkbuster Ironman vs Abomination

[Batmannerism]

AOU was on TV today and I watched the Buster/Hulk fight. Here's a thought I had... Tony was trying only to stop Hulk, which he did I would say, not kill him. He held back, plus was balancing the fight and trying to limit bystander casualties. Now put Tony in the HB armor against Abombination, not holding anything back, somewhere innocent civvies aren't a factor... Gotta give it to the man over the monster.

Agreed. While Blonsky is a skilled fighter, and nearly as powerful as the Hulk, he's not particularly clever (which is why he ends up in a body cast in the Incredible Hulk movie).

We know that the Hulkbuster armour has enough raw power to take out the Hulk, and we know Tony wasn't trying to kill him. Given its arsenal of weapons and gadgets plus the deadliest weapon - Tony's intellect- well I don't think the Abomination fares too well.

The Hulkbuster has a wider array of weapons, ranged attacks and a big mobility advantage (flight) vs the Abomination's raw strength, toughness and speed. I mean, if Hulk could choke him out, surely Tony could whip up some nice little combo of gadgets to take him out.

Of course, terrain would play a factor - in close quarters the Abomination's got a big strength and durability advantage, but in open ground where his weapons can be used to full effect the Hulkbuster would take him down pretty quickly.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Both are powerhouse. I think Hulkbuster is stronger. Tony's intelligence edges it out for me.

 

[NealKenneth]

not everything can be viewed so simply as this character beat this character on screen and this character beat that character on screen, so it means this character is more powerful then that character. That answer might work sometimes, but other times it doesn't.

I agree! Thank you for hosting this series, it is very cool

 

[jolldan]

Another point for Iron Man is the fact that Bruce Banner actually helped design the mcu Hulkbuster suit. I believe his words were "Don't hate, I helped design Veronica." (Not sure if he helps in the comics as well)

But this is a serious advantage when you think about it. A suit that's specific function is to take down one type of opponent.

You have that opponent giving you all of his weaknesses or the closest thing to them to make the Hulkbuster even more prepared for whatever Abomination could throw at him.

Its a case where Iron Man has built in prep time and Blonsky is coming in to the fight blind.

Think this is an easier win for Stark that I originally thought.

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah, I give this one to Veronica. When the rubber hits the road, the Abomination just isn't as powerful as Hulk. Not as bricky, and not as good in a fight either ( whatever skills Blonsky theoretically had, he seemed to be quite a bit more fight-dumb than Hulk was across his later appearances ). He wouldn't be an easy fight, sure, but he's going to get worn out, blasted up, and eventually beat down.

 

[wampa1]

Both are powerhouse. I think Hulkbuster is stronger. Tony's intelligence edges it out for me.

I don't think the Hulkbuster is stronger but a fight is more than brute strength so with Tony's intellect in the equation, I'd give it to Hulkbuster too.

 

[BigThor]

Hulkbuster takes it for me

It's close but in terms of stats like strength, speed and durability. Tony has the biggest advantage when it comes to brains though and that's what I think would make the difference.

Also we always think about the Hulk holding back or being nerfed but who says Tony wasn't. Just how powerful would the hulkbuster suit have been if Tony ha been straight out to kill the Hulk.

The common opponent is the Hulk. Both had success with weapons against the Hulk, Ironman with his repulsor beams and Bronsky with his improvised mace.

Only one got the victory though (granted Blonsky did face Hulk in his own movie so him winning would have felt a little bit off.) However Ironman just faced more powerful opponents and won or at least stalemated many more powerful mcu characters like Thor and Ultron.



Both should be in the powerhouse class I think.

The Ultron that Iron Man faced was weaksauce, he wasn't s*** compared to final form Vibranium Ultron.

 

[Surfer]

I agree! Thank you for hosting this series, it is very cool

You are very welcome, but it is a group effort between me, Jaqua99 and BigThor. Not to mention all the fans that come in to vote every week. So, thank you for being a part of it!

Also, again people please don't forget to tell us which Power Tier you think each of these characters fall into. If you do not comment on it then you are letting others decide for you. Your opinion matters, so please try to let us know.

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[BigThor]

I agree! Thank you for hosting this series, it is very cool

You are very welcome bud

 

[Chance Jackson]

Hulk Buster 9/10(I voted) both are power house tier.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Good match. Both powerhouse for sure. They are both on par with Hulk. Hulk could probably take either one in a vacuum (not a literal vacuum lol just without extenuating circumstances). However, both have the luxury of more cognizance than Hulk.

idk, In the end I'm gonna go with Abomination. When we saw him fight Hulk he had literally just transformed. There's no way he was used to his body and he's had a minimum of 8 years since that date. Hulkbuster was barely functioning by the end. I hesitate to believe it could beat hulk more than 1/10 times.

I also hesitate to believe Hulk could beat Blonsky more than 6/10 times (a bit more than half the time).

So Hulk > Blonsky > Hulkbuster

Abomination. /voted.

 

[jaqua99]

So, we do remember Abomination was significantly stronger than an in control Hulk.

I think a question here is, which gap is greater, b
Abomination over base Hulk, or enraged Hulk (AoU) over base Hulk.

I think Abomination is stronger than any Hulk aside from AoU fight against Hulkbuster, and the Hulk that fought Thor.

Abomination is strong enough to beat Hulkbuster for sure. Zero doubt about that. As easily as an enraged Hulk was tearing apart the suit, and taking the repulsor blasts, Abomination is similar. The question is..

Can Abomination take care of veronica/the part that sends spare parts before being in trouble?

If he can do that, I think he tears Tony out of the suit.

It depends on how well Abomination's strength and durability stack up against angry Hulk.

He laughed off Hulks punches, and the only thing Hulk ever did was choke him out. There were two instamces where Hulk looked groggy.

I think some of us may be underselling abomination here. Hulk is still more powerful though

I stand that Abomination and Tony have a similar fight to he and Hulk. He then turns his attention to Veronica and if he is able to destroy the repair pod thing, Abomimation will break the suit.

 

[BigThor]

Abomination is being very under sold and Hulkbuster is being very over blown imo.

 

[All-Father]

To me the answer is pretty simple: Abominations wins.

Hulk, savage as he was, started to get the upper hand against the Hulkbuster. Only after he was confused looking at the destruction he had done, Hulkbuster finished the fight with the sucker punch.

Blonsky, on the other hand, was considerably stronger and more durable than the Hulk ( he had to get really mad to start getting the upper hand in that fight), way more vicious and really smart. The sucker punch scenarion won't happen here.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Abomination is being very under sold and Hulkbuster is being very over blown imo.

I agree. People are forgetting how much Tony had to do to even knock out Hulk's tooth, how horribly damaged the Hulkbuster was by the end of the fight, and forgetting how hard of a time Hulk had with Abomination.

 

[jaqua99]

There is handful of you who have participated every week so far, I can't remember each of the names, but thank you guys for showing enthusiasm

 

[jaqua99]

Abomination is being very under sold and Hulkbuster is being very over blown imo.

In a way, I agree. Strength wise, Hulkbuster is LEGIT. Just as strong as angry Hulk for sure. Maybe stronger actually, just a bit. It just takes someone who can hit *clearly* harder than Hulk to put him down.

The issue here is Hulkbuster's durability.

 

[BigThor]

I agree. People are forgetting how much Tony had to do to even knock out Hulk's tooth, how horribly damaged the Hulkbuster was by the end of the fight, and forgetting how hard of a time Hulk had with Abomination.

I've never seen someone get so much credit for a sucker punch, it's unreal. Hulk was thrashing Hulkbuster damage wise and was tearing through it like paper.

It is SO muchhhhhhhhh easier to KO someone when they're relaxed and not looking, he couldn't have knocked Hulk out in a fair fight.

In a way, I agree. Strength wise, Hulkbuster is LEGIT. Just as strong as angry Hulk for sure. Maybe stronger actually, just a bit. It just takes someone who can hit *clearly* harder than Hulk to put him down.

The issue here is Hulkbuster's durability.

I would give Hulk the strength edge, whenever they would straight up grapple Hulk would over power HB and HB would have to resort to gadgets.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I've never seen someone get so much credit for a sucker punch, it's unreal. Hulk was thrashing Hulkbuster damage wise and was tearing through it like paper

Right.

 

[Surfer]

Well it is still somewhat early stages in the battle. Keep in mind the Killian vs. Drax battle had 42 people vote. We are currently at 25 votes. So, if we get the same number of votes on this battle there is still 17 peoples votes outstanding. Therefore, this battle can still very much go either way.

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[Gamma Ra]

Agreed. While Blonsky is a skilled fighter, and nearly as powerful as the Hulk, he's not particularly clever (which is why he ends up in a body cast in the Incredible Hulk movie).

This is false. Blonsky was particularly chose for the mission to find Banner in The Incredible Hulk because he was one of the best soldiers. Ross even questioned him why he didn't have a higher rank and his reply was because he was a "fighter" that liked being in the trenches.

Hulk beat Abomination because he stomped the ground with his patented earthquake stomp, which caused Emil to lose balance when his leg fell in the fissure. That's when Hulk jumped at the opportunity to grab the chain and choke him out.

Also, just because someone is intelligent in science, that does not necessarily make them a physical threat to someone that has become savvy in a fight because they spent most if their life training.

 

[Surfer]

This is false. Blonsky was particularly chose for the mission to find Banner in The Incredible Hulk because he was one of the best soldiers. Ross even questioned him why he didn't have a higher rank and his reply was because he was a "fighter" that liked being in the trenches.

Hulk stomped the ground with his patented earthquake stomp which caused Emil to lose balance when his leg fell in the fissure. That's when Hulk proceeded to grab the chain


Also, just because someone is intelligent in science, that does not necessarily make them a physical threat to someone that has become savy because they spent most if their life fighting.

Agreed! You could see Blonsky had some excellent fighting skills before he turned into the Abomination. They really showcased this in the Berkeley fight scene after he had taken the Super Soldier Serum. I mean he was no match for Hulk's power at that point, but he still attacked Hulk and avoided Hulk's blows and for the most part got away with it until he got cocky.

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[jaqua99]

Yeah I'm not believing there's really a lethal vs non lethal option for Tony. His only way of dealing with Hulk is to give it all he's got until Hulk is hopefully KO'd. "Giving it all he's got", FYI, basically requires him to not be holding back.

I mean, Hulkbuster is possibly one of Tony's deadliest suits. It's basically firing uni-beams from it's oversized palm repulsors. It's powered by (at least) 11 arc reactors. I imagine the one he used on Hulk would vaporize a regular person if it hit them directly. But Hulk is only mildly annoyed by it. Hulkbuster could probably decimate the entire United States military yet it could only win via lucky, plot driven PIS sucker punch against Hulk.

ONE of? Lol it is absolutely his most powerful suit, far and away

 

[Iron_Stark]

I agree. People are forgetting how much Tony had to do to even knock out Hulk's tooth, how horribly damaged the Hulkbuster was by the end of the fight, and forgetting how hard of a time Hulk had with Abomination.

Isn't the old saying: "The madder/angrier Hulk gets, the stronger he gets"?

In the Hulk vs Abomination fight, Banner had to make himself angry or get stressed by jumping off the helicopter, he didn't have it under control yet. While he wasn't calm in that fight, he wasn't at his angriest like the Hulkbuster fight. He was angry or under stress, sure, but he was calm enough for Betty to talk him down from killing Abomination. He wasn't anywhere near his peak strength.

Now lets look at how angry Wanda got him. That version of the Hulk would've killed Abomination with ease. His eyes were red from anger, if he wasn't at peak strength, he was damn near close to it or getting close to it. Nobody, including Betty or Black Widow using that hand thing, would've talked him down under that mind control. He was at another level than the Abomination fight.

That said, the Hulkbuster took that version of Hulk's onslaught and still had enough juice left until the Hulk calmed down. The Hulkbuster vs that version of the Hulk fought to a draw. He only got KO'd because the mind control wore off and he calmed down.

 

[Surfer]

Isn't the old saying: "The madder/angrier Hulk gets, the stronger he gets"?

In the Hulk vs Abomination fight, Banner had to make himself angry or get stressed by jumping off the helicopter, he didn't have it under control yet. While he wasn't calm in that fight, he wasn't at his angriest like the Hulkbuster fight. He was angry or under stress, sure, but he was calm enough for Betty to talk him down from killing Abomination. He wasn't anywhere near his peak strength.

Now lets look at how angry Wanda got him. That version of the Hulk would've killed Abomination with ease. His eyes were red from anger, if he wasn't at peak strength, he was damn near close to it or getting close to it. Nobody, including Betty or Black Widow using that hand thing, would've talked him down under that mind control. He was at another level than the Abomination fight.

That said, the Hulkbuster took that version of Hulk's onslaught and still had enough juice left until the Hulk calmed down. The Hulkbuster vs that version of the Hulk fought to a draw. He only got KO'd because the mind control wore off and he calmed down.

But again you had Hulk showing that he was getting Angrier during the Abomination battle when his Eyes glowed green. Up until that point he had been mostly losing the battle to the Abomination, and even after he got Angry it seemed he only won due to keeping the Abomination off balance and then choking him out from behind with a chain where he remained out of reach. So, not sure I would describe Hulk's win against Abomination a result of him over powering him as much as a result of the specific circumstances. Being keeping him off balance while remaining out of reach. I have a feeling that since Abomination was beating normal Hulk he would have at least matched an enraged Hulk's powers were it not for the circumstances I described above. So, if true then that means that both Hulk Buster and Abomination are able to fight with an enraged Hulk to a tie. However, I lean towards Abomination because Hulk was coming out of Wanda's spell and was being taken out as he was calming down. However, what if the fight had continued and her spell making Hulk enraged didn't wear off? Hulk Buster is able to have self repairing armor and even parts and weapons deployed by Veronica, but it is not limitless. Those resources would eventually be depleated and then I think Hulk Buster would be in trouble. The Abomination is at that power level and does not depend on these gadgets, weapons and armor to boost him to that level. He just is already, therefore there is no resource that might be depleated or fail him like with the Hulk Buster Iron Man in my opinion giving him the edge. Also, keep in mind the placement of these wins and loses within the movies. I mean did we really think they were going to let Abomination win in a Hulk movie. Also, did we really think they would have Hulk totally destroy the Hulk Buster Iron Man when RDJ is their biggest star and cash grab. No, so these movies try to show the characters in a way that will reflect their power levels, but in the end use a set of circumstances that allows the less powerful character to triumph. However, the victory is not always a true indicator of the power level as represented.

At least that is how I see it, but I value your opinion as well as everyone else's. After all if we all seen things the same there would be no need for these Vs. battles which are so much fun.

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