Marvel Films MCU Thunderbolts - Team suggestions?

[psylockolussus]

Not really interested in the Thunderbolts.

 

[Silvermoth]

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I think now would be a perfect time to introduce Justin Hammer as the new head of Shield. Now that Iron Man is gone he’s going to be looking to exact revenge but at the same time he’s going to be dirty he could never do it to Tony. Destroying the avengers is a great way to destroy Tony’s legacy.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

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I think now would be a perfect time to introduce Justin Hammer as the new head of Shield. Now that Iron Man is gone he’s going to be looking to exact revenge but at the same time he’s going to be dirty he could never do it to Tony. Destroying the avengers is a great way to destroy Tony’s legacy.

They'd never give that kind of position to Hammer, especially after what he pulled in IM2 and him serving federal prison time.

 

[Silvermoth]

Please, he’s rich enough to stay out of prison for very long and serving prison time never slowed down Norman Osborn

 

[metaphysician]

I wouldn't be shocked if Hammer got out at some point, but no, I don't believe even the governmental systems that handed great power to Thaddeus Ross would be so stupid. Even back in IM2 when the government *was* using Hammer as a substitute for Stark, it was obvious that nobody actually liked or respected or trusted him, and that was before the epic debacle.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

We know nothing about what the state of the universe is gonna look like in these coming movies.



Shocker would be cool. But they might be saving him for an eventual Sinister Six in a Spider-Man sequel.

However we do know what the world was like

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after the Infinity War decimation with Tony Stark last seen heading to space. That would be the insert point for a Thunderbolt Initiative.

Real world however, Suicide Squad beat the Thunderbolts to the screens

 

[Bayne]

However we do know what the world was like

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after the Infinity War decimation with Tony Stark last seen heading to space. That would be the insert point for a Thunderbolt Initiative.

Real world however, Suicide Squad beat the Thunderbolts to the screens

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Tony Stark was recovered from space in less than a month, and there was still a sort of Avengers throughout the five year inter-snap period. Plus, if the Thunderbolts were created in this period, why weren't they in the massive final fight against Thanos? Or included in any way in the time heist? Or even just a part of Black Widow's global threat assessment meetings?

For me, the obvious route to go from this point in the MCU is to have the Thunderbolts created by Ross in an attempt to discredit the Avengers who've done nothing but give him the finger since Civil War (or from his pov, since the Incredible Hulk) and then co-opted by Zemo. You could do a more traditional Thunderbolts movie, but that would require more setup time to transform the world and put Zemo in a position to want to and be able to create his own team.

I do think it's worthwhile to use previously introduced characters - Zemo and Ross (possibly also as Red Hulk by the end of the movie) being the most important, obviously, and other major prospects being Vulture, Ghost/Giant-man, Klaue (presumably resurrected as living sound), Maya from IM3, and Mac Gargan (depending on what goes on with him in FFH) - but it would also have to introduce at least a few characters from scratch. Most specifically, Songbird is mandatory for any Thunderbolts movie, imo, but reasonable arguments could also be made for Moonstone, Beetle, or Jolt, I think.

 

[MagicStingRay]

So rumor has it that a Thunderbolts-type film is in the works.

Considering what we know...

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I think this would be a film perfectly set up in the shadows of the events of Infinity War and specifically Endgame.

With half the population returning in an instant, a world used to half of that population over the course of 5 years will really struggle to adapt, especially when criminals may have escaped imprisonment in the chaos of the dusting or may have themselves been dusted and then returned to a jail that is abandoned or unprepared to house them, allowing them to escape.

I imagine that's how people that we know have been imprisoned will now be loose... specifically Zemo, the Leader, Abomination, and Justin Hammer.

Have Leader be the villain of the film (as rumored) with the other three providing the foundation of the team. Then bring in people like Ghost, or maybe new characters like Moonstone and/or Songbird to fill out the rest of the ranks.

 

[ludovica]

So rumor has it that a Thunderbolts-type film is in the works.

Considering what we know...

Spoiler

I think this would be a film perfectly set up in the shadows of the events of Infinity War and specifically Endgame.

With half the population returning in an instant, a world used to half of that population over the course of 5 years will really struggle to adapt, especially when criminals may have escaped imprisonment in the chaos of the dusting or may have themselves been dusted and then returned to a jail that is abandoned or unprepared to house them, allowing them to escape.

I imagine that's how people that we know have been imprisoned will now be loose... specifically Zemo, the Leader, Abomination, and Justin Hammer.

Have Leader be the villain of the film (as rumored) with the other three providing the foundation of the team. Then bring in people like Ghost, or maybe new characters like Moonstone and/or Songbird to fill out the rest of the ranks.

That sounds great, but are these rumors in any way credible?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I know there's good reason for a Thunderbolts movie to have already established characters, but I'd love it if they took some effort to use the original team. Especially Songbird and Atlas.

 

[Shoppy]

I know there's good reason for a Thunderbolts movie to have already established characters, but I'd love it if they took some effort to use the original team. Especially Songbird and Atlas.

The current rumours seem to be more of a "Dark Avengers" movie than "Thunderbolts" so I'm expecting an Osborne-led team that makes use of established characters and maybe throws in just one or two from the classic Thunderbolts line-up (Zemo, Karla Sofen and maybe Atlas)

 

[psylockolussus]

I know there's good reason for a Thunderbolts movie to have already established characters, but I'd love it if they took some effort to use the original team. Especially Songbird and Atlas.

If the scoop said they are going to use Songbird then I might have been more interested. The guy fromTwitter is probably legit. He was spot on with Endgame and I can't believe he posted those spoilers back in December and no one really noticed.

But I hope this is one of the cases, that it would just end up as a discussion and nothing more. I don't want to see a Thunderbolts trilogy with Hammer, Lizard, Abomination, Ross, Ghost and Zemo.

 

[Bayne]

So rumor has it that a Thunderbolts-type film is in the works.

Considering what we know...

Spoiler

I think this would be a film perfectly set up in the shadows of the events of Infinity War and specifically Endgame.

With half the population returning in an instant, a world used to half of that population over the course of 5 years will really struggle to adapt, especially when criminals may have escaped imprisonment in the chaos of the dusting or may have themselves been dusted and then returned to a jail that is abandoned or unprepared to house them, allowing them to escape.

I imagine that's how people that we know have been imprisoned will now be loose... specifically Zemo, the Leader, Abomination, and Justin Hammer.

Have Leader be the villain of the film (as rumored) with the other three providing the foundation of the team. Then bring in people like Ghost, or maybe new characters like Moonstone and/or Songbird to fill out the rest of the ranks.

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I doubt the prison holding Zemo and Abomination would be designed in a way that would allow them to just escape even if the guards suddenly weren't there. And it probably would be one of the few things people went out of their way to maintain even after the snap, unless literally everyone who knew about it disappeared. The Leader also wasn't captured at all in TIH, only in the one-shot which may not be binding (the agent carter one wasn't).

Plus, with the rumors that Thunderbolt Ross will also be a part of this, I think the obvious route is for the Thunderbolts to be formed by Ross using prisoners. Ie, they'll all be in prison right up until they become Thunderbolts.

The current rumours seem to be more of a "Dark Avengers" movie than "Thunderbolts" so I'm expecting an Osborne-led team that makes use of established characters and maybe throws in just one or two from the classic Thunderbolts line-up (Zemo, Karla Sofen and maybe Atlas)

I agree it will be a mix of established characters and a few classics, but I see no logical reason whatsoever to add on Moonstone and/or Atlas while completely ignoring Songbird, who is essentially the face of the entire franchise. I also doubt you'll have Osborne in such a high position so quickly when we haven't even seen Oscorp once yet (let alone the goblin). Though I suppose you could make the Thunderbolts a private hit squad working for Oscorp, but that's running way too close to Spider-man territory and the Sinister Six...

 

[Shoppy]

Zemo's established, however I think with Osborne in charge they'd be competing for character development time.

Atlas i think could be in there to connect to the Goliath program but i reckon Tom Foster would be a better choice with Ava Starr in there alongside him as the character we're rooting for whose perspective we come to the story from.

Karla "Moonstone/Meteorite" Sofen would be my first choice of all that classic Thunderbolts line-up to feature,
I think she's got potential as a character that could recur in a small role in multiple movies if an Osborne-led Dark Reign scenario were to occur.

 

[Bayne]

Zemo's established, however I think with Osborne in charge they'd be competing for character development time.

Atlas i think could be in there to connect to the Goliath program but i reckon Tom Foster would be a better choice with Ava Starr in there alongside him as the character we're rooting for whose perspective we come to the story from.

Karla "Moonstone/Meteorite" Sofen would be my first choice of all that classic Thunderbolts line-up to feature,
I think she's got potential as a character that could recur in a small role in multiple movies if an Osborne-led Dark Reign scenario were to occur.

I agree Moonstone has potential in a scenario like that, but I do think if you really wanted to get the best out of her as a character, you need Songbird as well, to be her opposite. Ghost and Foster are perfectly fine as sympathetic characters on the team, but they're more followers just like Atlas and Beetle. They're not cut out for carrying the hero flag.

 

[MagicStingRay]

That sounds great, but are these rumors in any way credible?

I believe they came from sources that have so far gotten stuff right about Endgame, Spidey FFH and the Disney + shows.

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I doubt the prison holding Zemo and Abomination would be designed in a way that would allow them to just escape even if the guards suddenly weren't there. And it probably would be one of the few things people went out of their way to maintain even after the snap, unless literally everyone who knew about it disappeared. The Leader also wasn't captured at all in TIH, only in the one-shot which may not be binding (the agent carter one wasn't).

Plus, with the rumors that Thunderbolt Ross will also be a part of this, I think the obvious route is for the Thunderbolts to be formed by Ross using prisoners. Ie, they'll all be in prison right up until they become Thunderbolts.

I agree it will be a mix of established characters and a few classics, but I see no logical reason whatsoever to add on Moonstone and/or Atlas while completely ignoring Songbird, who is essentially the face of the entire franchise. I also doubt you'll have Osborne in such a high position so quickly when we haven't even seen Oscorp once yet (let alone the goblin). Though I suppose you could make the Thunderbolts a private hit squad working for Oscorp, but that's running way too close to Spider-man territory and the Sinister Six...

I definitely think Norman will be saved for the Spidey films and a potential Sinister Six plot-line. Ross I think can be the "Nick Fury" of the group but I don't think he will be an active member or anything like that. If anything, maybe he is the spark that gets them together at first, like maybe in the 5 years between IW and Endgame he tried pulling some strings to make them a team in the absence of a depleted Avengers squad. Then once his idea is found unnecessary, the team isn't formed until post-Endgame during the events of the potential film.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'd like to see Penance and Songbird.

 

[ludovica]

Penance is a bit too much of an edgelord but give me Speedball anyday.

 

[Albright]

As much I’d love to see a Red Hulk with moustache and William Hurts face, I doubt it’ll be him.
He’s now 71 and on the pics from the BW trailer he doesn’t look so healthy. Maybe Abomination will turn red at some point.
But he could be the man behind it all.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Based on how things are right now, the team could be:

- Zemo
- Ghost
- Batroc
- John Walker
- Abomination (he'll be back in She Hulk)
- Yelena Belova
- Taskmaster

With the possibility of Mac Gargan, Herman Schultz and/or Adrian Toomes since all three went to prison at the end of Spider-Man Homecoming. I think Thunderbolt Ross will serve more of a Nick Fury type role. Justin Hammer is also still alive. I can't see Mordo being a part of the team, even if he survives Dr. Strange 2. The Thunderbolts don't need a wizard on their team.

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* In terms of team wizards, I think Agatha is more likely than Mordo. All it would require is freeing her from her current imprisonment, and "Lets recruit Agatha, we can totally keep her under control and use her" seems the kind of terrible idea that is absolutely appropriate for the Thunderbolts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

*cough* In terms of team wizards, I think Agatha is more likely than Mordo. All it would require is freeing her from her current imprisonment, and "Lets recruit Agatha, we can totally keep her under control and use her" seems the kind of terrible idea that is absolutely appropriate for the Thunderbolts.

Sure and as much as I would love to see Agatha again, do the Thunderbolts need a wizard/sorcerer?

 

[Bayne]

Whether they 'need' one or not really depends entirely on what the concept of the team is. At this point in time, it clearly can't just be villains pretending to be heroes because all the heroes are gone. If it's Ross/the govt. trying to have their own response team to replace the Avengers with something they can control (which makes the most sense to me), then a magic user on the roster does make sense after what the govt. has seen of Strange, Maximoff and Harkness. They would certainly like to have someone capable of that sort of thing as long as they thought they could control them.

The main problem is I don't believe anyone in the govt. actually could control any magic character including Agatha. But true that that wouldn't necessarily stop them from trying. Still, though, that's assuming they would be at all capable of undoing Wanda's magic to get Agatha out and that I find even more unlikely than the idea that they could actually find and capture Mordo.

In any case, there's no reason to assume the team only needs certain types of characters because that's what existed in the comics. The team should be based on what characters work best for the story, just as was the case in the comics, so it all depends on what the story will be.

 

[TheVileOne]

Based on how things are right now, the team could be:

- Zemo
- Ghost
- Batroc
- John Walker
- Abomination (he'll be back in She Hulk)
- Yelena Belova
- Taskmaster

With the possibility of Mac Gargan, Herman Schultz and/or Adrian Toomes since all three went to prison at the end of Spider-Man Homecoming. I think Thunderbolt Ross will serve more of a Nick Fury type role. Justin Hammer is also still alive. I can't see Mordo being a part of the team, even if he survives Dr. Strange 2. The Thunderbolts don't need a wizard on their team.

Thats' a lineup that doesn't make much sense. Why is Yelena on the team? Why would should she work on the same team as Taskmaster? Why would Abomination be in there? You can't really hide his identity.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thats' a lineup that doesn't make much sense. Why is Yelena on the team? Why would should she work on the same team as Taskmaster? Why would Abomination be in there? You can't really hide his identity.

That's the lineup everyone else thinks it will be because except for Yelena, it's all villains. Perhaps Yelena's appearance in Hawkeye is a precursor instead to her joining the Avengers. As for Abomination, they are going to need some muscle and I have my doubts that William Hurt is going to end up being Red Hulk and Liv Tyler is probably never coming back to the MCU anyways.

So who do you think should be the Thunderbolts, if it happens?