Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[Ant-manic]

you guys are right, screw the source material and the origins that make them who they are, lets just create a random character with the same name and powers, but lets make her study wasps as a daytime proffession.

sure while we are at it, they should rewrite batmans origin that he accidently killed his own parents when he joined the red hood gang and now dedicates his life to make sure that never happens to anyone again.

or have him train under Ras Al Ghul? way to spoil your own argument.

 

[TeeKay]

you guys are right, screw the source material and the origins that make them who they are, lets just create a random character with the same name and powers, but lets make her study wasps as a daytime proffession.

sure while we are at it, they should rewrite batmans origin that he accidently killed his own parents when he joined the red hood gang and now dedicates his life to make sure that never happens to anyone again.

It would be awesome to if batman is a teenager that escaped an orphanage and robin is an old sensei that guides him on his mission.

 

[Savage]

you guys are right, screw the source material and the origins that make them who they are, lets just create a random character with the same name and powers, but lets make her study wasps as a daytime proffession.

sure while we are at it, they should rewrite batmans origin that he accidently killed his own parents when he joined the red hood gang and now dedicates his life to make sure that never happens to anyone again.

It would be awesome to if batman is a teenager that escaped an orphanage and robin is an old sensei that guides him on his mission.

Or this is the most faithful adaption of Hank Pym one can ask for with his origins being in the 60s. This is arguably the most accurate adaption of a character ever. He just happened to age in real time without the sliding time scale.

 

[Suzanne78]

or have him train under Ras Al Ghul? way to spoil your own argument.

Or when Rachel Dawes was his childhood friend who helped Bruce keep it real...

Except she was a total Nolan invention. Yet another change in Bats' origin story. And it worked onscreen for storytelling purposes.

Origins are adaptable and changeable. Even Bucky's and Cap's and Iron Man and Thor's are altered in varying degrees from the comics to make them work onscreen.

 

[Hypestyle]

If "Janet" turns out to be Pym's daughter, then how does the surname VanDyne come into play? The mother's maiden name, and actress Janet embraces it as a stage name? changes it after falling out with her dad? Hmm...

 

[Savage]

What if there is both a Janet Van Dyne and a Janet Pym and the title of Wasp becomes a legacy deal (like Dinah Drake and Dinah Lance both being Black Canary)? I think that would be pretty cool.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If "Janet" turns out to be Pym's daughter, then how does the surname VanDyne come into play? The mother's maiden name, and actress Janet embraces it as a stage name? changes it after falling out with her dad? Hmm...

Being estranged from her dad (or her granddad, she doesn't have to be his daughter) and taking her mother's maiden name is the first thing that comes to my mind. Her clothing label is another way to work it in (if they go that route but personally I'm expecting scientist Jan ala Ultimates, though that certainly wouldn't preclude her also being a celeb/designer)

What if there is both a Janet Van Dyne and a Janet Pym and the title of Wasp becomes a legacy deal (like Dinah Drake and Dinah Lance both being Black Canary)? I think that would be pretty cool.

That *is* pretty cool, I hadn't considered the legacy angle. Good call.

 

[metaphysician]

For that matter, Pym might have never been married to her mother, depending on how the backstory goes.

 

[Ant-manic]

If "Janet" turns out to be Pym's daughter, then how does the surname VanDyne come into play? The mother's maiden name, and actress Janet embraces it as a stage name? changes it after falling out with her dad? Hmm...

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

 

[Endeavor]

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

I don't understand the fascination with making her Pym's daughter.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

People are speculating, that doesn't make it a "fascination". It's just one of many possibilities that have been suggested.

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

She could even be Vernon's granddaughter if the intent is to have her in present times.

 

[cph9fa]

Wasn't there something said a while back that we'd see Janet, but not as Wasp yet? But that we'd see hints of her future as Wasp? Is that likely to be true? (It makes sense to me)

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Or when Rachel Dawes was his childhood friend who helped Bruce keep it real...

Except she was a total Nolan invention. Yet another change in Bats' origin story. And it worked onscreen for storytelling purposes.

Origins are adaptable and changeable. Even Bucky's and Cap's and Iron Man and Thor's are altered in varying degrees from the comics to make them work onscreen.

ALL comic book movies are different from their source, something are little things and some are big thing.

In the end some are just more accepted than others, there's often no sense involved as to why.

 

[Human Torch]

I guess I don't see how being Ant Man in the 60's is regarded as being more faithful to the concept than having Pym be a contemporary of the Avengers,being married to Wasp and creating Ultron.

Go figure.

Maybe the next Batman film should be set in the 40's,complete with Robin in his little green Peter Pan briefs.t:

It would be "slavishly faithful" at least.

 

[chamber-music]

The New Marvel What If Age Of Ultron Pym cover

 

[Walt Bickle]

Bruce travelled around the world training,
so in the film he trains under ra's.
in the comics his travelling around the world is only shown in snippets so this can be explored without ruining his main origin which it didn't.

and in every batman incarnation it is customary to insert a love interest whether she is in the main comics or not.
besides Bruce did have a childhood friend called rachel. she just didnt turn out to be a DA, she became a nun.

and i hate to break it to yeah, if ye went it the real time that ye all want hank would be well over 80 years old..sounds good

 

[OnTheAir]

Great post man, nice to have you on this thread.

Appreciate it! As we learn more about the film's production, I look forward to popping in from time to time!

 

[chamber-music]

Dean O'Gorman (Fili in the hobbit) for young Pym. He looks like a younger Michael Douglas as well and they are almost the same height.

 

[cherokeesam]

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

I don't understand the fascination with making her Pym's daughter.

If it's understood and accepted that Janet isn't going to be romantically attached to Hank in any way, then why create an added layer and an extraneous character in Vernon Van Dyne? In other words, Pym::daughter is simpler, more immediate and tighter than Pym::surrogate daughter, and achieves exactly the same dramatic effect and relationship.

Plus, as others have suggested, Hank might have married *the* Janet Van Dyne in the past, and this "Janet Pym," their daughter, is the one who becomes Wasp. That's still paying homage to canon, while creating a new one. Which is what Marvel Studios is famous for.

Bruce travelled around the world training,
so in the film he trains under ra's.
in the comics his travelling around the world is only shown in snippets so this can be explored without ruining his main origin which it didn't.

and in every batman incarnation it is customary to insert a love interest whether she is in the main comics or not.
besides Bruce did have a childhood friend called rachel. she just didnt turn out to be a DA, she became a nun.

and i hate to break it to yeah, if ye went it the real time that ye all want hank would be well over 80 years old..sounds good

Or, he'd be 70 years old. Born in 1945 = 20 in 1965, 70 in 2015.
And yeah, we understand that, and already did the math. It works. It just shatters the sliding timeline of comic books. (There's a modern art museum somewhere, New York or Washington I believe, that has an interesting display of famous superheroes in modern times without that sliding timeline --- i.e., a Superman on life support, Wonder Woman with a walker, Spider-Man in a nursing home, that sort of thing.)

Also, why do you keep saying "ye?" Arrr ye a pyrate?

 

[BoredGuy]

I guess I don't see how being Ant Man in the 60's is regarded as being more faithful to the concept than having Pym be a contemporary of the Avengers,being married to Wasp and creating Ultron.

Ok, but what if it's revealed that Pym DOES have a large hand in creating Ultron?? Would his character be acceptable to you then? Or is it the being-older-than-the-avengers and no-relationship-with-Jan thing thats the deal killer??

because he may yet be connected with Ultron, and it seems he may be the original 'superhero', the elder statesman of the Avengers, which would elevate him to a position he could never even hope for in the comics. Sadly, Hank and Janet looks as though it may never happen on film.... unless Janet as Wasp only features in the flashbacks as well, as Pym's girlfriend and partner.

Then, pretty much all your arguments would be moot.

So how bouts we wait and see

 

[Dark Raven]

Dean O'Gorman (Fili in the hobbit) for young Pym. He looks like a younger Michael Douglas as well and they are almost the same height.

I dunno. That doesn't really look much like the man who used to star in The Streets of San Francisco.

 

[TeeKay]

If that were really the case,Cap,Tony,Bruce & Thor would all be his contemporary in the 60's.There's nothing "slavishly loyal" about it,

The dye is cast,but lets call it what it is.They gave Wright carte blanche with Ant Man(for whatever reason,presumably because they had so little faith in the concept.Strange to say the least,since they have a talking raccoon waiting in the wings ) and in the process took a massive dump on Pym's character.

Anyone hoping to see Pym in the Avengers or deal with Ultron or his storied relationship with Wasp- sorry,you're outta luck.But we're supposed to except he's not an "important" enough character to get upset over, I suppose.

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

 

[Savage]

I guess I don't see how being Ant Man in the 60's is regarded as being more faithful to the concept than having Pym be a contemporary of the Avengers,being married to Wasp and creating Ultron.

Go figure.

Maybe the next Batman film should be set in the 40's,complete with Robin in his little green Peter Pan briefs.t:

It would be "slavishly faithful" at least.

I actually want exactly that. A Fantastic Four movie set in the 60s would be awesome as well.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

i posted it earlier but all that needs to happen, is what happened in the books. Vernon Van Dyne came to Pym for help in an experiment. Pym turned him down. this inadvertently led to Vernon dying. a vengeful Jan was then turned into the Wasp. so tweak it. Douglas' Pym takes Jan on as a protege because he feels he owes it to an old colleague; Vernon Van Dyne. no reason for Janet to change her last name.

I think that could work.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Well my friend get used to it if you're going to be a supporter of this comic book, scratch that, Edgar Wright movie. Now we have a bunch of morons advocating and supporting Janet as Hank's daughter to be Lang's girlfriend. They call themselves fans?! I hope she's just ignored and left out. Minimize the casualties of this idiocy.

(This part isn't directed at you Endeavor) I love all the "OOOHHH they changed the story! Its new and exciting! Because who wants to see the stories you grew up on replayed?" excuses. Hmmm. Those original stories are the only reason that you have these movies to begin with so advocating their destruction is certifying that you're false fans. I'd like to know what part of IM3 was exciting with its changes??? Everyone keeps saying people loved it. I actually feel it's having an adverse affect on MS movies now. People are not as enthusiastic as they once were. I know my interest is near gone. So is my family's. And we LOVE Thor, Cap, and shellhead. We love all of Marvel as it is in the source material. Some changes, fine. Nothing like this however. Don't come at me with the $1 Billion box office BS as proof of "love" because we know the answer to that argument already: Lots of $$$ does NOT equal a good movie. IM3 is not loved, AT ALL, by any kind of majority of people. (No, 70% ranges don't signify loved or good otherwise everyone would love getting C's in academic work).

These alleged fans defend themselves by stating "we aren't crazy" and "we have a life" or "its just a comic book movie". Last I checked when you have near 10,000 posts on a comic book site......Yeah....YOU have no life. When you attack every opinion that another person posts due to the anger of things they love being crapped on just because you're "enlightened" and accept all the muck that is given to you, guess what? You too, my friends, are TROLLS. This is an open forum so whether you like the anger or you don't, go suck a lemon and ignore the rants. They weren't posted for your sanctimonious eyes. As such, don't try and be smart with your opinions and remarks because you don't care about our opinions anyway. Thus, it pleases me to let you know that WE, who are mad about father time playing Pym, don't give a DAMN about yours either!


Live and let live!


BTW- you guys cheering Douglas' casting are hypocrites. You claim you love him but want him to get into an argument scene with all the other Avengers??! He's too old for that kind of stress. It could kill him.
Save your comments too. I won't be back to this board since Ant-man is DOA for me.


Enjoy!

U mad bruh?