Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[R_Hythlodeus]

there taking away the majority of things that make him who he is

his age??????????

 

[Human Torch]

this movie has been drafted years before the mcu was made. It was going to be a stand alone movie. then the mcu came along but wright still had axis to antman which is why he couldnt be used. So now they are working in wrights antman to the mcu

This is basically it right there.Wright had this in the works for ten %&*$& years.Long before there even WAS a MCU.For whatever reason,Wright has some kinda clout with Fiege to get the thing made regardless.Originally it was touted as a stand alone film with no ties to the MCU. Suddenly,they decided it would be in their best interest to not have two Pyms in separate continuity competing.If anything,Wright should've been made to fold his concept into the existing MCU.(Like all other directors have had to do)

 

[TeeKay]

um dude, maybe you should read my responses to cos your so called service is nothing more then irrelevant jabber. truth is even though everyone has the right to there own opinion and i respect that. But if ye are on a super hero forum and are praising an idea of a superhero film and there taking away the majority of things that make him who he is then ye'r opinions are just ''meh'' to me.

super hero movies have evolved and improved over the years..and now your praising what sounds to be a step backwards. tsk tsk

Look at that guys posts. And I wasn't talking to you. Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course, but at least wait and see how everything plays out. When this came out you had people over-reacting and throwing tantrums and sacarstic and sly posts like that guy did. There are other ways of expressing dissapointment and anger without doing any of that. We've known for 8 years that it was gonna be Scott Lang's story and Pym will be old and retired. The reaction is as if nobody knew which seems questionable since Edagr always gave hints and talked about it.

 

[TeeKay]

This is basically it right there.Wright had this in the works for ten %&*$& years.Long before there even WAS a MCU.For whatever reason,Wright has some kinda clout with Fiege to get the thing made regardless.Originally it was touted as a stand alone film with no ties to the MCU. Suddenly,they decided it would be in their best interest to not have two Pyms in separate continuity competing.If anything,Wright should've been made to fold his concept into the existing MCU.(Like all other directors have had to do)

Isn't that what he's doing? He did come out and say he's doing a few slight minor twiches to the script so that it can fit the MCU. I doubt he was ever going to re-write the script and make it a Pym story. Just wait and see how everything plays out.

 

[Walt Bickle]

his age??????????

his whole relationship with wasp, joining the avengers, becoming giant man, the frankenstein and monster relationship with ultron.

Look at that guys posts. And I wasn't talking to you. Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course, but at least wait and see how everything plays out. When this came out you had people over-reacting and throwing tantrums and sacarstic and sly posts like that guy did. There are other ways of expressing dissapointment and anger without doing any of that. We've known for 8 years that it was gonna be Scott Lang's story and Pym will be old and retired. The reaction is as if nobody knew which seems questionable since Edagr always gave hints and talked about it.

I did and i agree with him...and he's fairly kept his decor, he's not ganging up with other members laughing down on people cos there opinions are opposite.

But isn't the forum for speculating?, retaliating when people talk down to you is not sly whatsoever?? nothing wrong with sarcasm, sure we're all sarcastic so far nearly are we not? and no we didnt know hank was going to be old and retired until they cast douglas

 

[Human Torch]

Isn't that what he's doing? He did come out and say he's doing a few slight minor twiches to the script so that it can fit the MCU. I doubt he was ever going to re-write the script and make it a Pym story. Just wait and see how everything plays out.

It just seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog."Forget the comic version of Pym,we'll adapt Wright's version."Yeah,it might be based on a comic ("To steal an Ant Man") but Hank wasn't an "Elder Statesman" in that,was he?Why make him so old?It only serves to sever any meaningful action Pym might've had in the MCU.Now he may show up and give advice to Stark,Banner or whatever.Big Whoop.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wrong on both counts. Suggesting that she can only be a hero if he is with Hank is sexist because she has been a solo hero and have even been the leader of the Avengers.

He's not going to be happy unless she's portrayed as a spoiled, rich bimbo sidekick like she was 50 years ago. To hell with silly things like character development, it's gotta be like it wuz in muh comics.

Purism has it's place but not when your only goal is to set a character back half a century, especially a character like Jan who has made her own way, even eclipsing the character she was originally paired with. How many times has Hank been leader of the Avengers again? *crickets* Yeah.

Maybe Luke Cage should go back to pimpin' and saying Sweet Christmas! because "that's how it used to be" and apparently progress is a bad thing.

 

[Human Torch]

his whole relationship with wasp, joining the avengers, becoming giant man, the frankenstein and monster relationship with ultron.

Right,they've basically stripped him of everything.And people just keep replying "Wait and see" What and see what? If Betty White was cast as Ms Marvel would you "wait and see" what you're going to get?Or would you have a better than average idea of what it would be?

I did and i agree with him...and he's fairly kept his decor, he's not ganging up with other members laughing down on people cos there opinions are opposite.

Truth.

 

[Walt Bickle]

He's not going to be happy unless she's portrayed as a spoiled, rich bimbo sidekick like she was 50 years ago. To hell with silly things like character development, it's gotta be like it wuz in muh comics.

Purism has it's place but not when your only goal is to set a character back half a century, especially a character like Jan who has made her own way, even eclipsing the character she was originally paired with. How many times has Hank been leader of the Avengers again? *crickets* Yeah.

Maybe Luke Cage should go back to pimpin' and saying Sweet Christmas! because "that's how it used to be" and apparently progress is a bad thing.

so do we not start a hero story at there beginnings and watch them develop? no we just throw them on the screen and start them off at the end of there development. worked well for BW and hawkeye did'nt it

 

[Whiskey Tango]

so do we not start a hero story

...as a 1960's-era caricature? No, we don't. Not unless we live on BickleEarth, apparently.

 

[Walt Bickle]

...as a 1960's-era caricature? No, we don't. Not unless we live on BickleEarth, apparently.

but what about poor ol waspy wasp? more then likely shes not in the film. but if she is..how? in flashbacks? charming. my world is awesome!

 

[Savage]

ok you like im2 i won't get into that so.

uh no i care about the characters that people payed money to watch or read for longer then you or i have been around. i'm not saying stay 100 percent to the comics i understand things need to be tweeked, and i like the tweeking by all means it makes things more interesting. but they are not tweaking hank-ant man they are using the same name and proffession and thats as far as it goes.

fair enough about tony

okay i will ask you the same question again, if bucky was blown up how is he the winter soldier now? stitched him back together?

sooooo was he blown up...or did it seem like he was blown up. add that to your comic knowledge

They tweaked Hank's age. His age. Nothing else so far. That makes zero difference for a man of science. Even less for a man who relies on technology in the first place. As long as he is able to shrink and grow he's fine. A race change would actually be a BIGGER deal than this. He's not Black Panther or Moon Knight or the Punisher (though the Max version is an old man and kicks plenty of ass). He's Ant-man.

And Bucky was blown up and his left arm freaking flew off. Yes, he was blown apart. It's what he has been known for for the majority of the character's existence. I don't even know how that is debatable. It's full on fact. This one isn't my opinion. Bucky Burnes was blown apart by a rocket close to the end of Marvel's World War II.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd rather have my head buried under fast drying cement than watch a crappy Bickle production. If movies were made with his mindset the whole genre would collapse. No thanks.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

his whole relationship with wasp, joining the avengers, becoming giant man, the frankenstein and monster relationship with ultron.

the pym/janet relationship angers me too, but some of the other points..
pym never joined the avengers he co-founded them. and this still might have happend. nick fury didn't came up with the idea of the Avengers Initiative, but someone did. Right now there is no reason not to think that it wasn't Pym who had the initial idea. just like the giant-man persona which still might have happend in the past. we have no details about Pyms life in the MCU other than he became Ant-Man in the 60ies and prequel movies are a realistic possibility (or at least a couple of one-shots which might or might not lead into another ABC show)
it is not like this movie will be all we will ever see about Pym.
Feige and MS have a huge masterplan for the MCU and I trust them enough to think they know what to do with Pym in 60ies era period movies

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

If Betty White was cast as Ms Marvel would you "wait and see" what you're going to get?

I would.
a) Betty White is fantastic
b) Carol Danvers is boring
c)This would actually be the only reason I'd be excited about a Ms. Marvel movie

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

but what about poor ol waspy wasp? more then likely shes not in the film. but if she is..how? in flashbacks? charming. my world is awesome!

maybe we just wait for more information before we start to worry about stuff we have no idea about?

 

[KDM1986]

the pym/janet relationship angers me too, but some of the other points..
pym never joined the avengers he co-founded them. and this still might have happend. nick fury didn't came up with the idea of the Avengers Initiative, but someone did. Right now there is no reason not to think that it wasn't Pym who had the initial idea. just like the giant-man persona which still might have happend in the past. we have no details about Pyms life in the MCU other than he became Ant-Man in the 60ies and prequel movies are a realistic possibility (or at least a couple of one-shots which might or might not lead into another ABC show)
it is not like this movie will be all we will ever see about Pym.
Feige and MS have a huge masterplan for the MCU and I trust them enough to think they know what to do with Pym in 60ies era period movies

 

[Human Torch]

I would.
a) Betty White is fantastic
b) Carol Danvers is boring
c)This would actually be the only reason I'd be excited about a Ms. Marvel movie

I don't doubt it.And I bet you're not alone.
I've always said you can make the most outrageous casting choice imaginable and apparently 60% of people are bound to think it's brilliant.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

maybe we just wait for more information before we start to worry about stuff we have no idea about?

No that's what rational people do.

 

[Savage]

I don't doubt it.And I bet you're not alone.
I've always said you can make the most outrageous casting choice imaginable and apparently 60% of people are bound to think it's brilliant.

It really all depends on the context. This idea works on paper so far. After watching the comic book movie boom for the past 15 years I'm surprised people aren't used to these changes by now. At this point I'm just interested in a good movie.

 

[Human Torch]

I think the only way this could be salvaged at this point,is if they scrap the idea of "60's" Ant-Man (Which makes no sense as it is.Fury made it sound as if the Day of the Super Hero was only now just emerging) and set the film in 2044.

You can still say Hank & Janet were part of the Avengers and involve them in their "Present Day" adventures whenever you want.The movie still gets made the way Wright wants,and the characters are there to be used in a more traditional way.

 

[Walt Bickle]

They tweaked Hank's age. His age. Nothing else so far. That makes zero difference for a man of science. Even less for a man who relies on technology in the first place. As long as he is able to shrink and grow he's fine. A race change would actually be a BIGGER deal than this. He's not Black Panther or Moon Knight or the Punisher (though the Max version is an old man and kicks plenty of ass). He's Ant-man.

And Bucky was blown up and his left arm freaking flew off. Yes, he was blown apart. It's what he has been known for for the majority of the character's existence. I don't even know how that is debatable. It's full on fact. This one isn't my opinion. Bucky Burnes was blown apart by a rocket close to the end of Marvel's World War II.

but he is more of a man of science isnt he? if it were down the ol mcu way. he woulda had his own, a sequel with wasp perhaps and a 3rd with him becoming giant-man. and also being the creation of ultron in the avengers. I don't know if i'm ready for tony stark to turn into a dr frankenstein type of character..

so he was blown up but only his arm came off....so do you not think his arm was just blown off no? he was assumed to be blown for many years... but he was blown up would he not be .....blown up lol

I'd rather have my head buried under fast drying cement than watch a crappy Bickle production. If movies were made with his mindset the whole genre would collapse. No thanks.

lol be better then yours, we would end up getting superhero characters in joel schumacher style ha ha

 

[TeeKay]

his whole relationship with wasp, joining the avengers, becoming giant man, the frankenstein and monster relationship with ultron.



I did and i agree with him...and he's fairly kept his decor, he's not ganging up with other members laughing down on people cos there opinions are opposite.

But isn't the forum for speculating?, retaliating when people talk down to you is not sly whatsoever?? nothing wrong with sarcasm, sure we're all sarcastic so far nearly are we not? and no we didnt know hank was going to be old and retired until they cast douglas

Repeating the same thing over and over again is redundant. Some people expressed their anger and dissapointment and have already moved on. You can't really keep beating a dead horse. I'm willing to wait and see how everything plays out.

It just seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog."Forget the comic version of Pym,we'll adapt Wright's version."Yeah,it might be based on a comic ("To steal an Ant Man") but Hank wasn't an "Elder Statesman" in that,was he?Why make him so old?It only serves to sever any meaningful action Pym might've had in the MCU.Now he may show up and give advice to Stark,Banner or whatever.Big Whoop.

We still get to see Hank put on the suit back in the 60's and modern day too. I don't see why age bothers people so much, it changes nothing about the character, he'll still be the genius who created the Pym particles. Edgar like Joss is also a big fanboy, I trust him with this.

 

[Human Torch]

but he is more of a man of science isnt he? if it were down the ol mcu way. he woulda had his own, a sequel with wasp perhaps and a 3rd with him becoming giant-man. and also being the creation of ultron in the avengers. I don't know if i'm ready for tony stark to turn into a dr frankenstein type of character..

And if they played their cards right,Pym would've been the go-to franchise/character to build a bridge from,once RDJ,Evans and the other "First Phasers" start moving on from their respective roles.

 

[Walt Bickle]

maybe we just wait for more information before we start to worry about stuff we have no idea about?

we could but the only possibilities are the ones i mentioned. if she is rewrote as a love interest or partner for lang then thats even worse