Missing Elements/Themes in the Movie...

[WeaponXProject]

I had a major problem with elements from Wolverine persona and history missing in this movie. Focus on poorly done glitz and glam was more of Fox, Hood and possibly Jackman's focus. But it missed major issues with Wolverine the character. This is what was missing, or done incorrectly, to me.

1.) The whole Weapon X procedure...it lasted 5-6 minutes and unleashed nothing of the character. From a fans point of view they missed the "creating a monster element". I would have liked to see a long, painful procedure with incisions and ofcourse the lose of who or what he is. There was no Frankenstein element but more of a "we used you" matter. I wanted him to awake from the procedure in pain, stuck in a water capsule, with tubes going in and out of his body, and in fear and anger his claws come out and he breaks from the tank. With armed men he immediately protects himself. He needed to unleash an almost Hulk-like rage where he doesn't have a thought process but more an instinct to kill/destroy. I would have ended it with an explosion at the Weapon X facility and most of it destroyed as he escapes into the forest ripping tubes from his arms and running like an enraged animal.

2.) The stand-off/loner personality...I would have prefered more if Wolverine kept to himself, said little and had a short temper. As if he doesn't know how to interact with others or doesn't want to. I would have loved inner-dialog scenes, as in him thinking to himself. He had to much of a heart of gold and a conscience in this movie.

3.) How Victor and Logan come to distance eachother should have been more built up as if Victor had some long term jealousy...


Gotta go be back for more later...I'm sure some of you share the same thoughts I have so be free to agree/disagree if you will.

 

[Canemacar]

I felt the movie lacked one major theme: how Gambit is a bigger pimp than everyone else combined. He didn't woo even one lady!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Stronger parallels between Victor and Logan of course. This couse of been emphasized in the war scenes. They are like animals, though despite doing horrible things, namely Victor, they have to stick together. They should also question their inability to die. James first finds out. Maybe he's hit by a bullet. He goes down but he finds out he's as good as new.

 

[Golgo-13]

I agree with the original post. Logan was too much of a nice guy in this movie. Even in the bar in the ending scene, he came off as being a cool nice guy, even after he lost his memory. I always envisioned Wolverine, as the guy who had done horrible things in his past, but that it was starting to get to him-he was starting to feel guilty, and that in X1 he was kinda redeeming himself by siding with Xavier and his students.

He was just to much of a 'wuss' in this film. I mean he gets air sick..what happened to the Wolverine that loves a fight? Victor was moe like what Wolverine should have been, at the beginning on the film..an animal.

 

[bullets]

1) I agree the procedure didn't seem as painful as i thought it would be , It was alot quicker but I did like his rage when he emerged from the water.


2) I guess he became a loner only after losing his memory . it did seem odd when he decided not to go with gambit.

3) He seemed jealous at the begining when he saw how well james was treated and also not being able to handle adamantium must of been a big blow to his ego.

 

[Project862006]

i agree my main problems was he was too nice and was not fighting with the animal inside him and the procedure should of mimicked the x2 flashbacks how dark and gritty did those look

how great would it of been if Singer actually filmed the whole scenario and not just flashbacks

 

[Superman_20]

Is deadpool in the comics a combination of all the mutants or was that just something for the movie? and I dont understand if the entire body has the unbreakable steel, how could you decapitate someone if the head and spine are covered in the metal?

 

[Project862006]

^ the procedure was not done only his arms got the metal

 

[Rasputin911]

Wolverine was a do-gooder. He didn't even look like he was enjoying himself in the war-montage, or his mission with Team X. His morality was strong/present throughout the film, so there was no growth or redemption to be had

 

[WeaponXProject]

1) I agree the procedure didn't seem as painful as i thought it would be , It was alot quicker but I did like his rage when he emerged from the water.


2) I guess he became a loner only after losing his memory . it did seem odd when he decided not to go with gambit.

3) He seemed jealous at the begining when he saw how well james was treated and also not being able to handle adamantium must of been a big blow to his ego.

The jealousy was minimal and did not show how much they fall apart. Instead of a full on split it would have been cooler to see more of Victor wanting to be in Logan's position in the Weapon X team. But we only got 10 minutes of that at most so the development was missing. I wanted more show of Stryker manipulating Victor.

Stronger parallels between Victor and Logan of course. This couse of been emphasized in the war scenes. They are like animals, though despite doing horrible things, namely Victor, they have to stick together. They should also question their inability to die. James first finds out. Maybe he's hit by a bullet. He goes down but he finds out he's as good as new.

The parallels looked strong in the previews but amounted to nothing in the movie. Motives for Sabretooth were practically non-existent besides Victor seemingly wanting the Adamantium for himself.

I definitely agree that it seemed strange that Victor and Logan never questioned why they were so different from the rest of mankind. It would have been nice for them to seek out their differences from man. But dialog was weak in the script as well.

 

[Golgo-13]

Even in the after credit scene, with Wolverine in the bar, he seemed like a nice, laid back, social guy to that bartender. I know she was hot, but still......he had lost his memory, he should be an emotional wreck..of sorts.

 

[Superman_20]

^ the procedure was not done only his arms got the metal

but in the comics he isn't a supermutant who has all their abilities is he? for example, the laser from his eyes? the teleporting and all that?

 

[Ziggyman]

The lack of animal portrayed in Logan...!

There was no struggle to control it or unleash it...!

 

[Nightmare689]

The lack of animal portrayed in Logan...!

There was no struggle to control it or unleash it...!

indeed. the only weird thing with this, now that i think bout Hugh Jackman, was how he had a brief struggle with the "animal within" in Van Helsing. As odd as the movie was, the thought was interesting how he'd frequently burst in a rage because he was growing closer and closer into becoming a werewolf.
maybe somewhere, someone said "Hugh did that already" so they left it out....damn stephen sommers...

and as awesome as a berserker rage would have been, even in just one scene, it would have been hard to do it since they've already made Hollywood Wolverine a watered down kid-friendly hero...

 

[Ziggyman]

That's why my friend...We need a rated R Wolvie flick!

 

[returntovoid]

I had a major problem with elements from Wolverine persona and history missing in this movie. Focus on poorly done glitz and glam was more of Fox, Hood and possibly Jackman's focus. But it missed major issues with Wolverine the character. This is what was missing, or done incorrectly, to me.

1.) The whole Weapon X procedure...it lasted 5-6 minutes and unleashed nothing of the character. From a fans point of view they missed the "creating a monster element". I would have liked to see a long, painful procedure with incisions and ofcourse the lose of who or what he is. There was no Frankenstein element but more of a "we used you" matter. I wanted him to awake from the procedure in pain, stuck in a water capsule, with tubes going in and out of his body, and in fear and anger his claws come out and he breaks from the tank. With armed men he immediately protects himself. He needed to unleash an almost Hulk-like rage where he doesn't have a thought process but more an instinct to kill/destroy. I would have ended it with an explosion at the Weapon X facility and most of it destroyed as he escapes into the forest ripping tubes from his arms and running like an enraged animal.

2.) The stand-off/loner personality...I would have prefered more if Wolverine kept to himself, said little and had a short temper. As if he doesn't know how to interact with others or doesn't want to. I would have loved inner-dialog scenes, as in him thinking to himself. He had to much of a heart of gold and a conscience in this movie.

3.) How Victor and Logan come to distance eachother should have been more built up as if Victor had some long term jealousy...


Gotta go be back for more later...I'm sure some of you share the same thoughts I have so be free to agree/disagree if you will.

I totally agree.

 

[MrWayne]

I had a major problem with elements from Wolverine persona and history missing in this movie. Focus on poorly done glitz and glam was more of Fox, Hood and possibly Jackman's focus. But it missed major issues with Wolverine the character. This is what was missing, or done incorrectly, to me.

1.) The whole Weapon X procedure...it lasted 5-6 minutes and unleashed nothing of the character. From a fans point of view they missed the "creating a monster element". I would have liked to see a long, painful procedure with incisions and ofcourse the lose of who or what he is. There was no Frankenstein element but more of a "we used you" matter. I wanted him to awake from the procedure in pain, stuck in a water capsule, with tubes going in and out of his body, and in fear and anger his claws come out and he breaks from the tank. With armed men he immediately protects himself. He needed to unleash an almost Hulk-like rage where he doesn't have a thought process but more an instinct to kill/destroy. I would have ended it with an explosion at the Weapon X facility and most of it destroyed as he escapes into the forest ripping tubes from his arms and running like an enraged animal.

2.) The stand-off/loner personality...I would have prefered more if Wolverine kept to himself, said little and had a short temper. As if he doesn't know how to interact with others or doesn't want to. I would have loved inner-dialog scenes, as in him thinking to himself. He had to much of a heart of gold and a conscience in this movie.

3.) How Victor and Logan come to distance eachother should have been more built up as if Victor had some long term jealousy...


Gotta go be back for more later...I'm sure some of you share the same thoughts I have so be free to agree/disagree if you will.

TOTALLY F'n Agree Wit You!!!
Anyone whos read the comics or the compiled book form of "Weapon X" would agree that at the very least the Adamantium bonding process and his training thereafter and his "snap" and escape should have been well placed in this film... that alone would of made this movie the shizznit!!

 

[Ziggyman]

A big deal in the film was Wolvie's choice being taken away from him...But he chose to take it to whoop Sabe's ass!!!

 

[Brad23]

but in the comics he isn't a supermutant who has all their abilities is he? for example, the laser from his eyes? the teleporting and all that?

The only power he has in the comics is the healing factor. He did used to have a teleporter though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I definately agree that the weapon X should have been more gritty and violent, especially the breakout. In X2 we guards trying to restrain Logan in the tank, why didnt we get that here?

Also the previous missions of Weapon X, at least show ONE time when Logan was an animal that and allude to others, this wasnt even done. Even better, and a scene I personally would have loved, would have been a scene with Wolverine hunting for dear in the forest, getting into a tangle with wolves as they interrupted his kill. A scene like this wouldnt have taken up much of Fox's prescious screen time and would have been simply awesome in the movie.

 

[MrWayne]

sumtimes i think they do these things to these charecters because its what they wanna see themselves not so much of what fans expect since they have some creative control.. and what do execs know? i doubt many of them seriously follow comics to kno better.. but its like a kid always wishing he could change something about a particular charecter and finally gets the chance and says "yea! i always thought it would be awesome if deadpool had laser beam powers! now i can finally do it" i mean what reasoning could they have to crap on charecters with 10-20-30 plus years of grounded material and say nahhhh lets change that this will work better..dont worry.. the audience wont even notice and they will eat it up n love it..

 

[MrWayne]

I definately agree that the weapon X should have been more gritty and violent, especially the breakout. In X2 we guards trying to restrain Logan in the tank, why didnt we get that here?

Also the previous missions of Weapon X, at least show ONE time when Logan was an animal that and allude to others, this wasnt even done. Even better, and a scene I personally would have loved, would have been a scene with Wolverine hunting for dear in the forest, getting into a tangle with wolves as they interrupted his kill. A scene like this wouldnt have taken up much of Fox's prescious screen time and would have been simply awesome in the movie.

yea i agree.. i can easily think of tons of scenes that coulda been removed to make way for all the things they SHOULDA put in... i woulda def got rid of the 2 old folks.. they served no purpose imo.. what all that so we could be like.. ohhhhhh so thats where he got the jacket from... pfffft!

 

[WeaponXProject]

"yea! i always thought it would be awesome if deadpool had laser beam powers! now i can finally do it" i mean what reasoning could they have to crap on charecters with 10-20-30 plus years of grounded material and say nahhhh lets change that this will work better..dont worry.. the audience wont even notice and they will eat it up n love it..

See if he would have been a clone of Wade it would have been okay to me. But Logan definitely should have fought Sabes at the end.

 

[MrWayne]

idk its just very crappy to spend so much time anticipating a movie like this and it doesnt materialize the way it shouldve.. and theres really no reason why they couldnt do it the way we all know it should have been done.. now its like well never get to see that translation to film of how Wolverine became.. just think these are their perverted ideas manifested since they have that power to do it.. im really suprised Marvel let them crap on Deadpool the way they did...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

yea i agree.. i can easily think of tons of scenes that coulda been removed to make way for all the things they SHOULDA put in... i woulda def got rid of the 2 old folks.. they served no purpose imo.. what all that so we could be like.. ohhhhhh so thats where he got the jacket from... pfffft!

Or even if they just made the movie 15-20 mins longer, they could have kept all of that stuff in and added scene's like Logan hunting a dear with wolverine, it would have been so awesome to see that on screen.