Mom Chews On Infant's Brain: 'I didn't mean to do it!'

[The Battousai]

Out of curiosity what did you think my standing was on murder before my clarification?

I didn't assume what it was - that's why I asked.

 

[craigdbfan]

I didn't assume what it was - that's why I asked.

Oh I thought you wrote it sarcastically.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

 

[The Battousai]

Oh I thought you wrote it sarcastically.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

It's my bad - I should've been clearer

 

[craigdbfan]

No worries, its all good.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

What's the point of this woman living anyway?

I mean, if she is soooooooooo ****ed up she would dice her own child up, what is the point of living? What sort of life remains for her? Sitting in a mental institution pumped full of drugs? There is no therapy in the world that can help her. She should be put out of her misery. I know I'd want to if I was in her position.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I disagree but I understand what your saying. The system killing off someone for me isn't really a problem as justice (if properly implemented) has a completely objective lens while the murderer had all the intent to hurt another individual.

Justice does not have a proper "objective" lens though. It would be nice, but unfortunately it's not. It is very very objective, however it ism't perfect. Do you really think killing someone based on a very very good reason is enough?

Rehabilitation is appropriate depending on the circumstance of the murder case itself but in most instances I'd say "rehabilitating" a murderer is a bit farfetched.

Really? You believe that if someone murders someone there is no chance of rehabilitation whatsoever? That is an awfully broad and very subjective blanket to throw out.

Life imprisonment is nothing more than a long time out that takes up a whole lot of money as well.

Two points:

1. It does not take more money than excecution takes.
2. It wouldn't matter if it did because money is worth more than lives no matter how "impractical" that might seem.

The justice system doesn't go out and try to hurt and murder individuals its only when someone decides to harm another being in some cases killing them where other humans have to implement the law accordingly. The death penalty being one of the punishments if its appropriate (someone killing another person).

I totally agree that the justice system doesn't go out and try to hurt and murder and these issues only come up when someone decides to harm someone else...

It doesn't change the fact that there is a margin of acceptable error in this process because we realize it's done by humans. Police officers are generally the ones arresting murderers and there is even a margin of error for their arrests. Any margin of error is too large permit killing.

Well yeah I even mentioned that this money that is wasted on holding murderers (I never mentioned other forms of criminals which I think can be rehabilitated with the right care) should go towards education and prevention programs.

I completely agree on the marijuana persecution which is completely inane as the substance itself has never killed a single human being while alcohol and tobacco deaths keep rising as I type this.

Agreed. Again I'm all for decriminalizing marijuana and taxing it. There is no reason why users should fell like criminals when there are legal substances that are by far way more harmful.

Thankfully its being seriously considered to a degree in California and has started a nationwide discussion about marijuana and debunking the "Reefer Madness" stigma that still plagues the mind of those ignorant to the plants properties.

Totally agree with both of these. I would love to see the millions of dollars spent on arresting, prosecuting, and detaining marijuana users put into education and prevention programs.

A person that is murdered can't ever regain life. To me this is an unforgivable offense.

I'm a big advocate of balance and for me there is no confinement or treatment that can ever compensate for a death of someone who has been murdered.

At least we agree on the absurdity of keeping marijuana illegal.

Compensation is not necessary for punishment. Nor is the death of someone else compensation for a loved one's death. If my mother is murdered that would be horrible, killing someone else wouldn't bring her back.

Also it doesn't require forgiveness. I don't always forgive a murderer either for that matter I don't forgive rapists, wife abusers, child abusers, crack dealers, or a myriad of other criminals. Fortunately for them they don't need my forgiveness in order to have life.

There's really only two purposes for imprisonment 1.) Rehabilitation and 2.) Public Safety. While there are definitely no public safety issues when we talk about capital punishment there are also no public safety issues when we talk about imprisonment. Which is prefered? Killing someone or not?

Also kudos on the legalization and decriminalization of mary jane. Hopefully that will happen within my lifetime... make my world easier.

 

[Majic Walrus]

What's the point of this woman living anyway?

I mean, if she is soooooooooo ****ed up she would dice her own child up, what is the point of living? What sort of life remains for her? Sitting in a mental institution pumped full of drugs? There is no therapy in the world that can help her. She should be put out of her misery. I know I'd want to if I was in her position.

Is that your professional medical opinion?

 

[Maximum Carnage]

What. The. Holy. Fu*king. Fu*k..............

 

[Metamorpho1977]

Did the mom look like this? [YT]_pDbWFei190[/YT]

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

UPDATED: Apparently, Otty Sanchez was NOT taking her prescribed medications. How can she be cleared on mental incapacity when she made a concientious decision to defy her doctor's orders??????????????

Read on....

Warning signs missed in baby dismemberment case

SAN ANTONIO -- Otty Sanchez, a schizophrenic with a history of hospitalizations, refused to take medication for her postpartum depression, her son's father said. She'd been going to regular counseling and had been briefly hospitalized since the boy was born.

But the 33-year-old woman's troubles only became apparent to authorities when they found her before dawn Sunday, in a house where she had access to samurai swords, screaming that she had killed her baby. Her 3 1/2-week-old son was dismembered in a scene so gruesome police were left shaken.

"Maybe we missed" warning signs, San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said. "I don't know."

Sanchez was released Tuesday from a hospital where she was treated for self-inflicted cuts to her torso and an attempt to slice her own throat. The former home health care worker, charged with capital murder, is being held at Bexar County Jail on $1 million bond. Calls to relatives were not immediately returned and it was not clear whether Sanchez had an attorney.

Authorities said Sanchez attempted suicide after butchering her newborn son, Scott Wesley Buchholz-Sanchez, with a steak knife and two swords while her sister and two nieces, ages 5 and 7, slept in another room.

Sanchez told police that the devil made her kill, mutilate and eat parts of her only child.

Scott W. Buchholz, the infant's father who met Sanchez six years ago while they were studying to be pharmacists assistants, said although his girlfriend had postpartum depression and only recently told him she was schizophrenic, she didn't appear unstable. He wants prosecutors to pursue the death penalty.

"She killed my son. She should burn in hell," Buchholz, 33, told The Associated Press.

Otty Sanchez's medical history is muddled. A family member said Sanchez had undergone psychiatric treatment and that a hospital called looking for her several months ago. Gloria Sanchez, Otty's aunt, said her niece had been "in and out of a psychiatric ward."

In May 2008, Otty Sanchez's mother, Manuela Sanchez, called police after her daughter didn't return from a trip to Austin, saying she was concerned about her daughter's safety. Manuela Sanchez said she suspected Otty was into drugs and specifically told police she wasn't suffering from any mental issues.

Buchholz, who is himself schizophrenic and takes six anti-psychotic and anti-convulsive medications, said Otty had postpartum depression and had been going to counseling after the birth, but refused to take prescription medication for her depression. Still, "she seemed like a a very caring, loving mother."

"She held him, she breast fed him. She did everything for him that was nice," he said.

Sanchez was taken to the hospital for depression July 20 and released less than a day later, Buchholz said. Sanchez told him she was schizophrenic and was going to live with her parents and sister. Sanchez was arrested at her mother's house, where police found her and the dead infant.

On Saturday, Sanchez brought "Baby Scotty" for a visit but stormed out after Buchholz asked for a copy of the birth certificate and other documents, Buchholz said. Buchholz called 911 to report that Sanchez drove away with the infant without properly restraining him in the car, and deputies investigated it as a disturbance.

"If this guy had given us an indication that she had postpartum depression, or mental defects she was suffering from, we may have addressed it differently," said Bexar County Sheriff Chief Deputy Dale Bennett.

Buchholz said he may have told the deputy Sanchez was depressed, but that he wasn't sure.

While schizophrenia generally develops in men in their late teens and early 20s, women tend to develop the illness, marked by abnormal impressions of reality, later in life.

Most new mothers suffer from postpartum blues as hormones shift after a pregnancy and they're fatigued handling a new baby. But as many as one-fifth suffer from the more serious postpartum depression, which includes symptoms like despair and failing to eat or sleep.

Postpartum psychosis is far rarer, affecting only about one woman in 1,000. Women with postpartum psychosis have delusions, frequently involving religious symbols and a desire to harm their newborn, said Richard Pesikoff, a psychiatry professor at the Baylor College of Medicine.

He testified in the second trial of Andrea Yates, the high-profile case of a Houston-area mother found not guilty by reason of insanity after drowning her five children. Similar to Sanchez's claim that the devil told her to kill her son, Yates told authorities Satan was inside of her and she was trying to save her children.

"The most common part of postpartum psychosis is the delusional thinking," said Pesikoff. "Often but not always, it encompasses some type of religious thought."

The risk of developing postpartum psychosis is 50 percent or higher for women with schizophrenia who are not taking medication, said Lucy Puryear, another psychiatrist who was involved in the Yates case.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_ec9deb6c-7c34-11de-8802-001cc4c002e0.html

Sooooooo...she can smoke/do illegal drugs, but refuse to take the appropriate stuff for her postpartum depression? Um hmmm.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Buchholz, who is himself schizophrenic and takes six anti-psychotic and anti-convulsive medications, said Otty had postpartum depression and had been going to counseling after the birth, but refused to take prescription medication for her depression.

that baby had a horrible death, but if both parents were schizo's then that baby was screwed anyway.

 

[The Guard]

UPDATED: Apparently, Otty Sanchez was NOT taking her prescribed medications. How can she be cleared on mental incapacity when she made a concientious decision to defy her doctor's orders??????????????

You're asking how a crazy woman could be deemed crazy if she didn't take the pills that prevent her from being crazy on purpose?

 

[Metamorpho1977]

What's the point of this woman living anyway?

.

To make really crazy people feel better about their problems.

 

[Alex The Great]

Now I remember why i'm single! I'm scared i'll date a crazy wench!


anyway, the ***** should burn!

 

[SuperFerret]

Baby brains must be damn chewy for this thread to have lasted this long. Swallow already! It's probably lost all flavor by now!

 

[Alex The Great]

Ferret


I can't beleive she's not going to get the axe...she should get the death penalty....and it's expensive? ever heard of a Bullet between the eyes?

 

[Mike_D202]

I say they should let an infant eat HER brain.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Baby brains must be damn chewy!

You know...only you would take it there. Yuckmeister.

 

[SuperFerret]

You know...only you would take it there. Yuckmeister.

I was just surprised that this thread was still around.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I was just surprised that this thread was still around.

Your post made me think of Wrigley's JuicyFruit gum...you know it's gray and loses favor after being chewed too much. Thank you.

 

[SuperFerret]

Sorry, LS!