Moore Unsupportive of Synder's Watchmen

[Sawyer]

Kill yourself.

I second that.

 

[Mercurius]

The reason I feel a movie is better for the Watchmen is because the type of story Moore was telling was more nuanced.. nuance doesn't work well in comics.. big stories with a lot of action work better for comics. Even the letters work better in a DVD format than in comics.. you could have a actor reading the dialogue in the letters while the letter is dispalyed..

The bottom line is that movies are just a more powerful medium with more versatility. when you add advanced visual effects and blu ray DVDs there is no contest. The ONLY thing missing is the length of the story.. will Snyder be able to tell the story in the time alotted? But even if he can't the time will come shortly when we there will be a HBO special with 12 parts and the effects will be cheap enough that they can pull it off. Or mayeb the whole thing is a CG animated feature.

The point is though that if you did make a film version it would be better than the comic.. and this would make Moore irrate..

I'll politely convince myself your two posts were well-crafted jokes in which you pretend you don't understand ANYTHING of any of the arts you mentioned.

That you pretend you ignore all the elementary facts about comics and movies.

You surely understand it better than this downright BS, now don't you, Van Damme? Tell me you do, please, please!

 

[DarkReflections]

Agreed.

i dont. its just an adaption. theres no such thing imo of a movie being better than its source it was based upon unless the source such as the comic itself sucked, for example being poorly written, poorly drawn etc. the movie can only be in equal terms of the comic. they are 2 different mediums.

 

[VonDoom]

I'll politely convince myself your two posts were well-crafted jokes in which you pretend you don't understand ANYTHING of any of the arts you mentioned.

That you pretend you ignore all the elementary facts about comics and movies.

You surely understand it better than this downright BS, now don't you, Van Damme? Tell me you do, please, please!

Whatever.. get back to me when you have an actual argument..

 

[VonDoom]

i dont. its just an adaption. theres no such thing imo of a movie being better than its source it was based upon unless the source such as the comic itself sucked, for example being poorly written, poorly drawn etc. the movie can only be in equal terms of the comic. they are 2 different mediums.

The error in this logic is that Watchmen didn't really work that well in comic form.. at least as well as it could in movie form.

The main reason Watchmen was so popular is because it is so different than conventional superhero comics. That's it's gimmick. But the very reason that it stands out so much is why it would work better in a different medium. The Watchmen story would actually work better in book form and movie form than it does in comic form.

Rarely is that the case when you are adapting some "great" work of art because most great works of art are built following the conventions of that particular art form. But watchmen isn't cherished for being a great comic book. It is cherished because it flouts the conventions of comic books.

 

[Solidus]

NM I'm not going to get into this lol. Too tired.

 

[the_tortel]

I think Moore's hate is a great sign actually. I think it would piss Moore off way more if Snyder gets it right than if he gets it wrong... After all.. Moore liked to think he was making something that couldn't be pulled off with the film medium. But I truly believe watchmen will be far better in DVD form than in comic form.

Of course, Moore didn't think far ahead enough to realize we could have blu ray DVD's and personal computers that work the way they do and CGI effects. I think the film medium is even better for the kind of story he is telling than comics as well.

100% agree, even though me and alan aren't close, I think that's about spot on

Basically all you guys who support Snydemen are not fans of the comic. That is FACT. Not OPINION. If you like the direction the movie is taking, get off this board and go and hang out with Snyder.

I do, but I doubt he ever hangs out here in kansas

 

[8blades]

Can I ask the airheads, what they are looking forward to in this movie when the director says that Moore TORTURES us with so much content and the director feels the need to put more ACTION.

p.s. I doubt Watchmen won the Hugo Award based on its action. Maybe juuuuuuuuust maybe it won the award and praise because of its bold and very torturing content.

 

[the_tortel]

Can I ask the airheads, what they are looking forward to in this movie when the director says that Moore TORTURES us with so much content and the director feels the need to put more ACTION.

p.s. I doubt Watchmen won the Hugo Award based on its action. Maybe juuuuuuuuust maybe it won the award and praise because of its bold and very torturing content.

Puh-LENTY

can you just go to the graphic novel forum and stop bothering the peaceful movie threads,

??

 

[VonDoom]

Could you show me the context of that Snyder quote, 8blades?

 

[Sawyer]

Could you show me the context of that Snyder quote, 8blades?

Yeah, I'd like to see that too.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Whatever.. get back to me when you have an actual argument..

Aw snap!

i dont. its just an adaption. theres no such thing imo of a movie being better than its source it was based upon unless the source such as the comic itself sucked, for example being poorly written, poorly drawn etc. the movie can only be in equal terms of the comic. they are 2 different mediums.

The funny thing is, when an adaptation of any good source material turns out to be just as good or better, opinions are split by subjectivity and many begin to argue one’s value over the other.
I could give you two examples - Ghost in the Shell and Fight Club:
I watched the first GitS movie before the manga and the read did not compare to the wonderful watch. The writer and the director had two distinct approaches on the same material. It wasn’t a case of what works for a comic wouldn’t necessarily work for a movie, because if you’re into anime you’d know that there’s a tv series version of GitS out there too. It resembles the source material much more closely and translates the same feel and genre almost perfectly. But I still think that the two anime movies are a lot better than the manga and tv series because it had a much bigger impact on me, whereas the manga was almost devoid of that appeal.
While Fight Club is a decently written novel and a pretty cool movie. Yet the author himself has said that he considers the movie to have done better with his own story in a particular sense. Both have their own merits and both may have different impacts on each viewer and reader individually.

 

[Hurm...]

Looks like he got probationary. Maybe he'll think before he actually posts next time.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Looks like he got probationary. Maybe he'll think before he actually posts next time.

He was always so angry at us

 

[Sawyer]

Maybe next time he'll think before he calls us all morons for thinking differently than him.

 

[The Navigator]

The error in this logic is that Watchmen didn't really work that well in comic form.. at least as well as it could in movie form.

How so?

 

[VonDoom]

"""The error in this logic is that Watchmen didn't really work that well in comic form.. at least as well as it could in movie form."""

As Moore has said he was trying to make Watchmen unlike a comic and more like movies and books.

Not just in the way it was crafted, but the type of story as well. It's more of a theatrical nuanced psychological drama.

As I said before.. nuance doesn't work well in comics. They did as well as you probably could with a comic trying to tell this kind of story. But it's just an inherent weakness of the medium.

It's like reading a screenplay versus watching a movie. Alot is lost in translation. The director and actors have to fill in the blanks. No matter how great of a 2-D artist you are you will never be able to match movies and actors when telling that kind of story.

 

[the_tortel]

Maybe next time he'll think before he calls us all morons for thinking differently than him.

yeah, that's what democrats are for

 

[Doctor Jones]

yeah, that's what democrats are for

Oh, SNAP! t:

Democrats = "Yeah I care about you, but you're really all idiots and I just want to be the President. There hasn't been a Democrat president since Clinton."

Yeah, I wonder why? "Save the enviroment!" F*** the enviroment, what about us?! Actual human beings who actually give a ****.

Like my friend tells me, Democrats have heart, but Republicans have brains.

 

[Solidus]

Kids, no bringing political debates here, the mods, never care for it, so keep it to yourself.

 

[Axtech]

how about we don't turn this into a pointless political debate (especially one that involves nothing but ridiculous mud slinging)...

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ok, ok. Fine. Just having some fun. t:

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Like my friend tells me, Democrats have heart, but Republicans have brains.

And both have very big pockets.

 

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Perhaps I'm in the wrong place, I thought we were discussing Alan Moore's grouchiness.

 

[Eggyman]

He has some awesome/crazy interviews/documentaries on youtube. Judging from hearing the guy speak, I don't think we should take his opinion 'head on'. He has some very 'out there' views about things, and tends to find odd angles to judge things from.