More Info On Batwoman

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get why it's getting so much attention, though. It's far from the first time a gay superhero has appeared in comics. I guess it's because it's attached to one of the bigger franchises this time.

 

[slipalong]

...I want her boots.

And I want to see you in her boots my dear... Hell, the whole costume if we can swing it with the wardrobe dept.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I think the costume is pretty effing sweet, IMO.

 

[Phatman]

i didn't know maggie sawyer was gay.

renee montoya is still a big part of the dcu.

Man Maggie Sawyer's a well known lesbian. Been well established in Superman comics. They even showed her and her girlfriend on episodes STAS. (How they slipped those two in on a cartoon I don't know.) ON STAS they were often shown holding hands. (Apokalips...NOW! )

Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being an interesting character. She's a great supporting character on TV and in the comics. But no one talks about her.

 

[Kurosawa]

niiiiiiiiiiice. I like how you connected that.

It can be about Bruce chasing kathy, with Dick being very negative about the relationship because hes secretly in love with bruce, with bruces black, gay friend commissioner akins....

the potential is limitless

And the Dark Knight convert a lesbian? Find out next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

Batman's greatest challange and victory ever.

 

[sinewave]

Man Maggie Sawyer's a well known lesbian. Been well established in Superman comics. They even showed her and her girlfriend on episodes STAS. (How they slipped those two in on a cartoon I don't know.) ON STAS they were often shown holding hands. (Apokalips...NOW! )

Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being an interesting character. She's a great supporting character on TV and in the comics. But no one talks about her.

up until this latest "up, up and away" arc, i had never read a superman comic on a regular basis, so the only exposure i had to maggie was in the gotham central series, and i don't recall them mentioning her sexuality. i didn't watch STAS either.

 

[Green Lantern]

Worse than the non-Kara Supergirls created since the first Crisis? I can accept her more than a shapechanger turned angel.

I agree completely. I even recently (while my internet was down) went and gave the PAD run of Supergirl another chance. Read all 80 issues. STILL think its crap. At least now people won't rag on me for not reading it when I say that the Matrix/Earth Angel/Golden Age Power Level Supergirl is crap.

Peter David's Supergirl was easily the best Supergirl ever. Besides.... what the hell does this have to do with Kate Kane?

Except for I don't know, the Supergirl who lasted from the fifties to the eighties... The original Kara is one million times the character that Matrix/Linda Danvers ever was.

 

[BrianWilly]

No, not really.

 

[twylight]

If ya'll wanna debate Supergirls I'm sure there's a thread floating around for that.

And I want to see you in her boots my dear... Hell, the whole costume if we can swing it with the wardrobe dept.

You write the proposition, I'll go dye my hair.

 

[slipalong]

If ya'll wanna debate Supergirls I'm sure there's a thread floating around for that.



You write the proposition, I'll go dye my hair.

Hun,

You look fine as you are... We just need the skintight outfit to round off the ensemble

 

[Red Mask]

I saw a report about it on CNN at the gym...it was pretty dang random. They started playing some scenes from the Catwoman movie, of all things...

Oh man, that report was a pieace of ****! They didn't bother to ask the black people how they felt about a black man being the new Firestorm. They just wanted reactions on a gay superhero!

 

[Artistsean]

I heard a report on a local news station, they advertised it as a contraversial change to a comic hero. Then the report was about adding more non white super heroes and having some characters be gay, they mentioned Batwoman for a second.
I thought, I already knew about this, its not contraversial to me.

 

[jaydawg]

No, not really.

Exactly. Its all opinion, and mine is no Supergirl will ever hold a candle to PAD's.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Batwoman being a lesbian is just a gimmick to get people buying comics. She'll be forgotten or killed in a year.
Let us remember other forgettable gay comic characters:
Northstar
Rawhide kid
Maggie Sawyer

Northstar is coming back soon I thought.

However the unfortunate truth is homosexual characters tend to get written off rather quickly if you try to do something big with them (like put them in a top selling book or give them their own title). YA and Runaways survive easily because they are designed to appeal to the fringe element crowd (both are non traditional books to begin with). But X-Men, Batman, Superman and JLA to name a few attract a larger crowd and therefore have a more diverse audience to appeal to.

I think another key difference is they often don't write gay characters as superheroes who happen to be gay. They right their homosexuality almost as their superpower (on top of whatever else they do). Then the book reads like "Here is our homosexual hero eating breakfast. Uh-Oh the bank is being robbed, how will our hero respond being homosexual. He better change quick and kiss his other homosexual lover goodbye. He is here, how does the public love him....unbeknowst to them he is homosexual, should he out himself? Here he is fighting his archnemesis--did we mention he is homosexual?" And so unfortunately to writers (who may quiet possibly be straight themselves) they miss the nuance and subtlty of writing a gay character. They view the homosexuality in a very freudian light and assume it must inform all his/her decisions. Whereas for comprable straight characters, this is hardly a problem.

Some like Apollo and Midnighter, Ultimate Colossus, Wiccan and Hulkling and a few others have figured out that to write a character of any sexuality you need to address said sexuality without making it overexposed or the focus. Just as Scott and Jean's silent love for eachother in Stan Lee's X-Men wasn't the main story of that book.

 

[twylight]

Hun,

You look fine as you are... We just need the skintight outfit to round off the ensemble

Why worry about an outfit at all?

 

[Fledermaus]

Now, that's my kind of superheroine.
The Amazing Naked-Girl.

 

[slipalong]

Why worry about an outfit at all?

Now THAT'S my kinda heroine!! Come an' rescue me gorgeous...

 

[Deathlok2001]

Northstar is coming back soon I thought.

However the unfortunate truth is homosexual characters tend to get written off rather quickly if you try to do something big with them (like put them in a top selling book or give them their own title). YA and Runaways survive easily because they are designed to appeal to the fringe element crowd (both are non traditional books to begin with). But X-Men, Batman, Superman and JLA to name a few attract a larger crowd and therefore have a more diverse audience to appeal to.

I think another key difference is they often don't write gay characters as superheroes who happen to be gay. They right their homosexuality almost as their superpower (on top of whatever else they do). Then the book reads like "Here is our homosexual hero eating breakfast. Uh-Oh the bank is being robbed, how will our hero respond being homosexual. He better change quick and kiss his other homosexual lover goodbye. He is here, how does the public love him....unbeknowst to them he is homosexual, should he out himself? Here he is fighting his archnemesis--did we mention he is homosexual?" And so unfortunately to writers (who may quiet possibly be straight themselves) they miss the nuance and subtlty of writing a gay character. They view the homosexuality in a very freudian light and assume it must inform all his/her decisions. Whereas for comprable straight characters, this is hardly a problem.

Some like Apollo and Midnighter, Ultimate Colossus, Wiccan and Hulkling and a few others have figured out that to write a character of any sexuality you need to address said sexuality without making it overexposed or the focus. Just as Scott and Jean's silent love for eachother in Stan Lee's X-Men wasn't the main story of that book.

[SIZE=+1]
If they want diversity, lets demand diversity! I want a crossdressing comic hero/heroine NOW!

and also a transgendered [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]comic hero/heroine NOW!


hey, its all about being inclusive.
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[Deathlok2001]

"This is not just about having a gay character," DiDio said. "We're trying for overall diversity in the DC universe. We have strong African-American, Hispanic and Asian characters. We're trying to get a better cross-section of our readership and the world."

Ok, if that is true, then cross dressing & transgendered comic characters should be included in this group, after all, they make up part of the world.

 

[Anubis]

I would totally read a book with a she male superhero.

 

[Deathlok2001]

There are so many sub plots to be discovered!

 

[Anubis]

Like, should you tuck in spandex? Do hormone pills mess with super powers? These are things we need to hear about.

 

[Deathlok2001]

Its all in the name of inclusion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner.

 

[Deathlok2001]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner.

LOL