DC getting more diverse

[SonOfCthulhu]

Ok, this is the distinction that I'm making that is probably what makes me crash with what people are saying. Is the Blue Beetle COMIC using stereotypes? From what all of you have been saying I guess it is. BUT. But, is the Jaime character stereotypical? Where are his tatoos? Where is the almost non-existant mustache yet it's still there? Where is the rolled up bandana that almost covers his eyes? When did he say "andale"? What gang does he belong to? Where's his low rider? Are the only things he eats tacos? Is he speaking mangled English? Why doesn't he say "ese" all the time?

I see all of your points in regards to the things happening in his comic and I'm glad that some people finally had the guts to say how you stereotype Mexicans. Is it an incorrect depiction of the environment where he's living? Is it far fetched to say that if he lives in a hispanic heavy community his enemies would be hispanic also (yeah, they went overboard with it, I know)? Is it going to be like this always or are we going to see Jaime go on to greater things? Is it the writer's intent to set up a poor environment to show that he can be a hero while overcoming all the things around him? I don't know, those are just questions I ask myself as only the third comic comes out.

Good post. I'm still giving the book a try. I'm not buying many books, so that says a lot. I'll watch where the first story arc lands and then decide.

 

[Darthphere]

All I got to say is that Jaime's dad better not have cane from some sort of cancer(Also, another telenovela plot)

 

[SonOfCthulhu]

All I got to say is that Jaime's dad better not have cane from some sort of cancer(Also, another telenovela plot)

And he's secretly seeing "La Dama" on the side.

 

[Darthphere]

Ay dios mio!

 

[MajinShenron]

A socialist? A member of the Chinese government (which is communist)? Comon, thats lame. See, I can see Dr. Doom supporting communism (I don't think he does in the comics from what I've seen) and stuff, since he is a villian, but heroes?

 

[The Question]

All I got to say is that Jaime's dad better not have cane from some sort of cancer(Also, another telenovela plot)

.....how the hell is cancer steriotypically Mexican?

A socialist? A member of the Chinese government (which is communist)? Comon, thats lame. See, I can see Dr. Doom supporting communism (I don't think he does in the comics from what I've seen) and stuff, since he is a villian, but heroes?

There's nothing inherently immoral about comunism.

 

[SonOfCthulhu]

.....how the hell is cancer steriotypically Mexican?

Darth was saying that the cane/cancer thing is a typically used plot device in "telenovelas" - which are basically hispanic soap operas.

 

[Darthphere]

Darth was saying that the cane/cancer thing is a typically used plot device in "telenovelas" - which are basically hispanic soap operas.

Exactly.

 

[The Question]

But it's far from exclusive to them. I'd hardly call it a Mexican steriotype.

 

[Darthphere]

But it's far from exclusive to them. I'd hardly call it a Mexican steriotype.

Nobody is, im just saying its a soap opera plot point.

 

[MajinShenron]

There's nothing inherently immoral about comunism.

On paper maybe. But in practice? Hell no.

 

[The Question]

On paper maybe. But in practice? Hell no.

There isn't anything inherently immoral with communism. The evil image of communism comes from communist leaders like Stalin and Mao, not communism itself. Nor do I see why a villain would identify themselves with something they thought to be immoral. No one ever actually considers themselves evil. If a hero feels that communism is a better political system, then that's what they think is a better political system.

 

[MajinShenron]

There hasn't been one country so far with a communist government that was not immorally wrong. I think you should go to a communist country and live their for a few years and see how it is. If you say anything bad about the government you and your family disapperar. It hasn't changed, Soviet Union, China, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam, etc.

 

[The Question]

There hasn't been one country so far with a communist government that was not immorally wrong.

....immorally wrong?

I think you should go to a communist country and live their for a few years and see how it is. If you say anything bad about the government you and your family disapperar. It hasn't changed, Soviet Union, China, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam, etc.

That has nothing to do with communism itself. Just the people in charge. And, I'm fairly certain Russia wasn't as bad as "you say anything bad about the government and you and your family disapear" in the ;ast few decades of communism there. The officials weren't as much evil as they were corrupt and lazy. Like I said, there's nothing inherently immoral about communism. Nor is it illogical that were would be a communist super hero.

 

[Xofenroht]

There hasn't been one country so far with a communist government that was not immorally wrong. I think you should go to a communist country and live their for a few years and see how it is. If you say anything bad about the government you and your family disapperar. It hasn't changed, Soviet Union, China, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam, etc.

A country is not immorally wrong, it's the people who lead it. Communism does not equal evil and inhuman. Have you lived in a communist country? If not, you just sound biased. From what I know in the U.S., the people within this country were bombarded with anti-communist propaganda. So were other non-communist governments, but from what I hear, every government thinks any system unlike their own is flawed. So there...

Before I go on to do my yarn about diversity in comics, let me just say that THOR is a Norse God. So you can't use him in an argument against Marvel, saying they aren't very diverse. As far as mythological gods and folk legends are concerned, there is no changing their ethnicity or nationality. Doing so takes away from the character.
With that said, this can easily be applied to some of the more iconic characters aswell. Clark Kent, Diana, Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, etc. Changing their ethnicity is unnecessary, but who's to say they always have to be the people behind the mask? Everyone should know by now that it isn't the color of the heroes skin or the origin of their birth. It's whether or not they represent the ideals molded into the flesh of that costume and/or symbol.
Spider-Man must always be an everyman. Superman must always be godly in stature and represent hope.
Besides, I only notice people purposely making a character a certain ethnicity when they belong to one not their own. Identifying with one character or another based on ethnicity really occurs on the writer's end more than the readers, I think. I know that, from looking at the characters I think up, I have to consciously remember not to make them look like me.
I don't know about you guys, but I never thought of a character as a [insert ethnicity] character until someone did something crazy like put it in their code name or something stupid like that. I see people wherever I look, color is just background noise.

 

[MajinShenron]

A country is not immorally wrong, it's the people who lead it. Communism does not equal evil and inhuman. Have you lived in a communist country? If not, you just sound biased. From what I know in the U.S., the people within this country were bombarded with anti-communist propaganda. So were other non-communist governments, but from what I hear, every government thinks any system unlike their own is flawed. So there...

Personally? No, but almost my entire family lived more than half their lives in communist countries. My family had to work for several years of hard work for the government with no pay to get out of the country. Once they left they weren't allowed to take anything, including money. Immoral? I think so. And the fact that one person stays in office all he wants and can get as corrupt as he wants is also not good. Yeah, they actually do have elections every few years, but only one person is allowed to run. Can a country do whats best for its people if only one party runs the country and they don't listen to the people? Very unlikely.

You are right though, democracy isn't perfect, but it is better than communism.

 

[The Question]

Personally? No, but almost my entire family lived more than half their lives in communist countries. My family had to work for several years of hard work for the government with no pay to get out of the country. Once they left they weren't allowed to take anything, including money. Immoral? I think so. And the fact that one person stays in office all he wants and can get as corrupt as he wants is also not good. Yeah, they actually do have elections every few years, but only one person is allowed to run. Can a country do whats best for its people if only one party runs the country and they don't listen to the people? Very unlikely.

None of that is inherent to communism. Just the country your family is from. Communism is a philosophy and social/political school of thought. It has nothing to do with the people in charge of countries that have a primairily communist philosophy. Hell, most communist leaders merely used communism as a way to get power and get chicks. Few actually cared about making it work.

 

[Assassin]

Yeah, there's such a thing as too much diversity.

its called southern calli

 

[Assassin]

No, they just decided to throw 70+ issues of character development out the window and make her a Shiva clone while some other woman steps into the Bat-femme role.

like i told leauger..

she's asian..uhh ohh she must be a ninja assassin!

 

[Assassin]

Superboy Prime's locked away by the time that happened, stupid-face.

i brought that to the 21st century...that my word damn it!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've been calling people "stupid-face" since elementary school, you young whippersnapper.

 

[Assassin]

yes, but u stopped, i brought it to the 21st century. I MADE IT COOL AGAIN!

Hey kids, get off my lawn!

 

[batnkevlar]

OK, so by saying Thor is Scandanavian and Wolverine is Canadian and Superman is Kryptonian is supposed to meld the race barrier? Not really, as they are all WHITE, or in Superman's case, LOOKS white...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's not Scandinavian, he's as alien to Earth as Superman is. So chalk him up to the "appears white" category, too.

 

[Harlekin]

Personally? No, but almost my entire family lived more than half their lives in communist countries. My family had to work for several years of hard work for the government with no pay to get out of the country. Once they left they weren't allowed to take anything, including money. Immoral? I think so. And the fact that one person stays in office all he wants and can get as corrupt as he wants is also not good. Yeah, they actually do have elections every few years, but only one person is allowed to run. Can a country do whats best for its people if only one party runs the country and they don't listen to the people? Very unlikely.

You are right though, democracy isn't perfect, but it is better than communism.

You have no grasp of what communism actually is, do you?