More than 60 Pianos destroyed at the Ithaca College school of music

[The Battousai]

I think I mentioned at least once that the vigil was unnecessary.

I'm only defending their reaction to what's happened (not the vigil - their initial reaction), because I understand the position they're in. Also, because those here who are endlessly repeating "they're just instruments" are glossing over all of the facts that myself and others have provided.

There's no reason to attack the students for feeling violated by this event.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Sounds like someone...was trying to strike the wrong chord.

I see what you did there.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I don't have that kind of connection with it because I understand that instruments aren't alive. They're things. Also, these pianos were the property of the school, so it's different than someone wrecking your bass. These are like training wheels. It's fine to feel a connection to them, and to be upset about it, but a candlelight vigil? Something that's not even appropriate when a life is lost? That's insanity.

And what makes a candlelight vigil any more appropriate for a death than it does for a grieving over destroyed objects you hold close to yourself? It's just their way of expressing grief. Keep in mind, these kids go to school for this- this is their lives. I mean, I'd never hold one for my own instruments, but what difference does it make whether or not these kids do?

Sure, the pianos weren't owned by the students, but most kids don't own the cars they drive either- yet they treat the vehicles like children. It doesn't matter whether or not they're alive, since they're possessions we hold dear to ourselves whether you can handle it or not. Just because it isn't living doesn't mean we can't grow connected to it. I'm not talking about having sex with the thing, I'm just talking about a possession you grow to care about because it's part of an activity you care about, or in many cases, make a living off of. What's so hard about that for you to understand?

Again, I use myself as an example: You touch my bass, you're through. Whether or not it's my legal property, I'm not a happy camper if you put your hands on it. I imagine it's even worse for these kids who, in some cases, may not be able to afford a piano, and that school is their only way of using one.

 

[SuperFerret]

Candlelight vigils are as much about grief as they are about getting sympathy. Having a connection with an inanimate object is fine, and I understand it. I just think that it's stupid to get that worked up over something like this.

 

[bell110]

Do you/have you ever played an instrument? I played piano for many years...if someone had come and destroyed my piano, I'd feel like someone died

Exactly. You touch my bass guitar, it's very likely that when you pull your arm back, your hand won't be there.

We get defensive over our ****.

I have two basses, 4 and 5 string, an electric and acoustic guitar, a crappy drum set, and a pretty sweet yet rarely used keyboard. Yes, I'd break someone's neck if they did something to them. But it would be anger over the monetary value that an emotional attachment.

It sounds like these pianos..........

Hit a sour note with someone.

YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

You should make an animated gif with that, lol.

It's not JUST the pianos, Darth. It's also the students. It's also an attack on the department. It's like your home being robbed and burned to the ground. I do understand that they can be replaced, but it's still a violent act against a group of people who view those objects as MORE than objects. My cello, even though I haven't played in years, is sacred to me. If someone broke it, I'd probably wake up washing blood off of my hands and not remember what happened.

But it's not theirs, it's the schools.

It has everything to do with your stance on it. When you pick up an instrument, and you begin to learn it and love playing it, it's almost like it becomes a living part of your life. As I said before, if someone put their hands on my bass guitar- especially with malicious intent- they'd probably pull back a bloody stump. Musicians take their art and their instruments as seriously as you take the lives of your ferrets.

Call us crazy or overly-dramatic if you want, but that's really not up to you. You don't have the kind of connection to our own instruments and music that we do.

Um, ferrets are living things. I don't know if you have any pets, but if the choice was between your pet or your bass, would it seriously take any time to pick one?

And what makes a candlelight vigil any more appropriate for a death than it does for a grieving over destroyed objects you hold close to yourself? It's just their way of expressing grief. Keep in mind, these kids go to school for this- this is their lives. I mean, I'd never hold one for my own instruments, but what difference does it make whether or not these kids do?

Sure, the pianos weren't owned by the students, but most kids don't own the cars they drive either- yet they treat the vehicles like children. It doesn't matter whether or not they're alive, since they're possessions we hold dear to ourselves whether you can handle it or not. Just because it isn't living doesn't mean we can't grow connected to it. I'm not talking about having sex with the thing, I'm just talking about a possession you grow to care about because it's part of an activity you care about, or in many cases, make a living off of. What's so hard about that for you to understand?

Again, I use myself as an example: You touch my bass, you're through. Whether or not it's my legal property, I'm not a happy camper if you put your hands on it. I imagine it's even worse for these kids who, in some cases, may not be able to afford a piano, and that school is their only way of using one.

Your bass isn't your legal property?

And, yes, I think it's ridiculous when people act like their cars are their children.

Yes, it sucks, but it's not their property, and I'm sure the school has insurance for it.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Um, ferrets are living things. I don't know if you have any pets, but if the choice was between your pet or your bass, would it seriously take any time to pick one?

Well aware of that, bud, just emphasizing how protective I am over my bass guitar, and how protective my music-student friends are over their instruments. And yes, I'm also an animal lover, and I would always choose life over non-living objects, but that doesn't mean I don't hold those non-living objects in very high value.

Your bass isn't your legal property?

And, yes, I think it's ridiculous when people act like their cars are their children.

Yes, it sucks, but it's not their property, and I'm sure the school has insurance for it.

My bass is my legal property, I was referring to the students at that school who regularly on the destroyed pianos.

And, while I don't care enough about cars to treat them like a child (like a lot of my friends do), I treat my bass the way they treat their cars. I don't let others handle it unless they're under close watch (by me), especially if they don't know what they're doing with it, I keep it with me almost everywhere I go, etc. Same ****, different situation.

 

[BlackLantern]

It sounds like these pianos..........

Hit a sour note with someone.

YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

hahaha

but yea...thats f'd up