Police search for killer after body found at Yale

[Caped Crusader]

I feel so bad for her family.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Edit.

 

[BlackLantern]

well the police have arrested the lab tech

 

[Raiden]

well the police have arrested the lab tech

I'm glad the CT police were able to get the samples tested quickly and make a prompt arrest. Right now I wonder if perhaps this lab technician wasn't in love with Annie, but maybe got into a quarrel with her and in a fit of anger, strangled her. Hopefully he will confess his crime soon instead of going through a lengthy trial.

 

[terry78]

I'm glad the CT police were able to get the samples tested quickly and make a prompt arrest. Right now I wonder if perhaps this lab technician wasn't in love with Annie, but maybe got into a quarrel with her and in a fit of anger, strangled her. Hopefully he will confess his crime soon instead of going through a lengthy trial.

I suspect he had a thing for her or something. A coworker ain't really gonna strangle you over a fight, I don't think..he had to have more going on.

 

[BlackLantern]

He probably tried to holler....and she probably rebuffed him, he took it the wrong way, became attached/obsessed....he was probably going in early just to spend time with her....maybe an argument started or something....and then he went all Wayne Brady on her

 

[Anita18]

I'm glad the CT police were able to get the samples tested quickly and make a prompt arrest. Right now I wonder if perhaps this lab technician wasn't in love with Annie, but maybe got into a quarrel with her and in a fit of anger, strangled her. Hopefully he will confess his crime soon instead of going through a lengthy trial.

It takes some time to strangle someone, even if they're as tiny as Annie was. A couple of minutes, at least, even if you don't it with your bare hands but use an instrument. You have to be beyond "a fit of anger" to watch someone die at your hands like that.

I suspect he had a thing for her or something. A coworker ain't really gonna strangle you over a fight, I don't think..he had to have more going on.

The existence of the fiance makes it even more mysterious. And he was an animal lab tech - on the pay scale at Yale, apparently he was lower than a janitor. If she found something that would ruin his career, it wouldn't be all that much to ruin.

He probably tried to holler....and she probably rebuffed him, he took it the wrong way, became attached/obsessed....he was probably going in early just to spend time with her....maybe an argument started or something....and then he went all Wayne Brady on her

Most lab techs, especially those with menial responsibilities, work 9-5, even if the actual researchers often have more relaxed schedules. (Though a couple days ago, I found someone signed up for the cell scanning machine for 1am. ) He was probably already there when she swiped in. Why she would leave all her stuff in her office, I have no idea. But then again I've never worked at a place where the labs were in a different building from the researchers' offices.

 

[Raiden]

It takes some time to strangle someone, even if they're as tiny as Annie was. A couple of minutes, at least, even if you don't it with your bare hands but use an instrument. You have to be beyond "a fit of anger" to watch someone die at your hands like that.


The existence of the fiance makes it even more mysterious. And he was an animal lab tech - on the pay scale at Yale, apparently he was lower than a janitor. If she found something that would ruin his career, it wouldn't be all that much to ruin.

So you think Annie had some incriminating evidence against the suspect, and in an effort to shut her up and preserve his job, he murdered her? Doesn't sound that far-fetch of a theory.

 

[BlackLantern]

I read her office was on the third floor and the labs were in the basement

 

[Anita18]

So you think Annie had some incriminating evidence against the suspect, and in an effort to shut her up and preserve his job, he murdered her? Doesn't sound that far-fetch of a theory.

No, I think that's far-fetched because he was lower than a janitor. Why would a janitor kill to protect his job? It wasn't like he had a research reputation to preserve, like professors or even grad students do.

I read her office was on the third floor and the labs were in the basement

It's rather unclear - I read a CNN article that says her office was in the same building but different floor, but an article directly from Yale say her office was a block away at another building, the Sterling Hall of Medicine.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/14/body-identified-annie-le-med-13/

At this point, I'd trust the Yale newspaper to get their own campus configuration right over CNN.

 

[terry78]

See, when something like this happens at ****ing YALE, people will start to get uneasy because it's an Ivy League joint and supposed to have security rivaling the Pentagon. This happened at like University of Phoenix or something no one would care.

 

[BlackLantern]

No, I think that's far-fetched because he was lower than a janitor. Why would a janitor kill to protect his job? It wasn't like he had a research reputation to preserve, like professors or even grad students do.


It's rather unclear - I read a CNN article that says her office was in the same building but different floor, but an article directly from Yale say her office was a block away at another building, the Sterling Hall of Medicine.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/14/body-identified-annie-le-med-13/

At this point, I'd trust the Yale newspaper to get their own campus configuration right over CNN.

I figured within that building, anyone working there would have a cube or office space they have use of while there

 

[Caped Crusader]

I'm just happy this is over. Now my phone wont be ringing non stop

 

[Anita18]

See, when something like this happens at ****ing YALE, people will start to get uneasy because it's an Ivy League joint and supposed to have security rivaling the Pentagon. This happened at like University of Phoenix or something no one would care.

I think it would be a shock at any school, but Yale just makes it worse.

I figured within that building, anyone working there would have a cube or office space they have use of while there

I thought so too, but I just looked up the Yale campus map, and her office at Sterling Hall of Medicine (where the pharmacology dept is located) is like, 3 blocks away from 10 Amistad St, where the stem cell center is.

Yeah, it's weird. I've worked in three labs, and in all of them, professors' offices were always located on the same floor as their labs. I didn't know grad students even GOT an office, but the place I'm working now has a pretty dinky grad school.

 

[craigdbfan]

Judge Joe Brown on Larry King said yesterday that it could have been fueled by this individuals love for animals.

Now they are releasing pictures of this guy in where he is posing with his pets. Not just one picture but several.

Could it be that his obsession with Asian culture and seeing Annie Le work on these lab animals created some sort of confusion in his mind? Not saying what he did was right, far from it but its possible that in his mind it didn't make sense how someone from a culture he so dearly admired could do such experiment on lab animals.

The guy was a lab technician who was there often so its not completely out of the question IMO. Maybe one thing she said ticked this guy the wrong way which served as the last straw and ended up killing her right before her wedding.

 

[BlackLantern]

He wanted some asian booty, she wouldn't give him the time of the day....it festered and he snapped

 

[Anita18]

Judge Joe Brown on Larry King said yesterday that it could have been fueled by this individuals love for animals.

Now they are releasing pictures of this guy in where he is posing with his pets. Not just one picture but several.

Could it be that his obsession with Asian culture and seeing Annie Le work on these lab animals created some sort of confusion in his mind? Not saying what he did was right, far from it but its possible that in his mind it didn't make sense how someone from a culture he so dearly admired could do such experiment on lab animals.

The guy was a lab technician who was there often so its not completely out of the question IMO. Maybe one thing she said ticked this guy the wrong way which served as the last straw and ended up killing her right before her wedding.

If someone loved animals that much, he really, REALLY shouldn't have been working at a research facility where they use animals.

At my first lab internship, I worked with rats and mice. I've sacrificed them, and I've observed other people do experiments on rats where they drill holes into their skulls and essentially give them Parkinson's. (Their research was to see if they could cure these rats via stem cells induced to grow into neurons on a dish.) I've seen rats in the animal facility (yes, in the basement) with staples all along their body and on their heads. It is NOT for someone who can't bear to see these animals hurt. I only got through it because you have to tell yourself that what you're doing is worthwhile, and that these animals will not suffer and die in vain. (It also ensures that you don't f**k up your experiments too, cause that could be 20 rats who died completely needlessly.) Everyone thinks that.

Even the researchers who drilled holes in rats' skulls wanted to do it in the least traumatizing way possible. For instance, you obviously have to anesthetize them, but some people struggled holding the rat down to inject them, causing unnecessary panic. They admired the one guy in their lab who was able to hold the rat calmly in the crook of his arm and inject it with no fuss.

After college, I got an job offer to work with mice where I'd have to take out their eyes and identify them by snipping off a toe. I turned it down. I couldn't take it anymore for one summer, let alone having it be my job. I now work with mouse stem cells on petri dishes. Even my boss has never touched a mouse.

First, I highly doubt Annie Le was the first female Asian animal researcher Clark saw down in that basement. Academic research labs are crawling with Asians. Everyone in that first lab internship working alongside me was a female Asian.

And if it was about the animals, he wouldn't have lasted 2 months in that place, let alone 4 years.

 

[craigdbfan]

^^All very good points.

Strange though. Why would he do this if he had a girlfriend that I believe he was also planning to marry soon if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe Annie Le wasn't to professional in the lab in comparison to other workers who had been working there for the time Clark worked as a technician in the lab.

I guess we'll find out as this case develops. But all the points you made are right on the dot. More than likely this was probably just a personal grudge and less of an animal agenda.

 

[Anita18]

^^All very good points.

Strange though. Why would he do this if he had a girlfriend that I believe he was also planning to marry soon if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe Annie Le wasn't to professional in the lab in comparison to other workers who had been working there for the time Clark worked as a technician in the lab.

I guess we'll find out as this case develops. But all the points you made are right on the dot. More than likely this was probably just a personal grudge and less of an animal agenda.

I'm not all that clear on what Clark's job was. If it's what I think it is, the only time he would see what Annie was doing to the mice was when she collected a bunch of them for experiments and then afterwards when she brought them back down. He's in charge of taking care of them, not her. Unless she was letting mice loose on his shift and laughing at him as he chased them down the hallways (I've seen mice loose in the animal facility, poor things), I can't think of how he could possibly see how she was being unprofessional with them by like, not stitching them up or not anesthetizing them or whatever. That's all done in the labs, not where the animals are kept.

And Judge Joe Brown should not talk about things he's not familiar with. Sigh.

 

[craigdbfan]

lol So true. Judge Joe Brown on Larry King last night was a bit awkward especially when some criminal specialist completely called his idea "bunk".

Like you outlined this is probably more of a personal vendetta than "save the furries!" outcry.

 

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Assis...f//s:/ap/20090917/ap_on_re_us/us_yale_killing

I knew he was going to look like that. They always look like that.

 

[craigdbfan]

White...?

 

[Anita18]

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Assis...f//s:/ap/20090917/ap_on_re_us/us_yale_killing

I knew he was going to look like that. They always look like that.

Um, most people would probably "look like that" if they were brought before a judge on murder charges.

The fact that he's white and male? Like....a whole lot of Americans in general?

 

[terry78]

Kind of awkward from a social standpoint, aka not an alpha male type of guy.

 

[Raiden]

Yale suspect’s work attitude examined

Apparently, according to sources the suspect Raymond Clark III was "a 'control freak' who viewed the laboratory as his territory." Maybe Annie and him had some argument about his maintenance of the lab mice and it ended up infuriated him to the point of killing her, although that hate must've ran deep if he strangled her long enough to suffocate her fatally. Interestingly, he has thus far refused to answer any questions from the police, and that alone doesn't sound like he's someone who's innocent.