More Watchmen Footage To Premiere During SCREAM 2008

[Saint]

Part of what makes Rorschach pathetic, IMO, is the fact that he thinks he's truly making a difference by breaking fingers and beating up rapists and muggers.

I disagree. I don't think he believes he's making a difference; he's just responding to the world in the only way that seems right to him. He doesn't think he's making a difference in the world; he makes it fairly clear that he thinks society is inevitably going to tumble into the gutter, and he thinks himself the only one righteous enough to resist. He certainly has an inflated sense of himself, but I don't believe he ever thought he was going to change the world.

Nobody took their work more seriously than Veidt.

In a different way, yeah. Veidt took saving the world seriously--not being a vigilante. Vigilantism, for him, seemed like an experiment to me.

Both Rorschach and Veidt were very focused, very determined people, but it was Rorschach's very narrow vision (and lack of true cunning) that ultimately led to his demise. I know people admire his dogged commitment to his personal values, but as a true hero, he was basically nothing. If he had any true wisdom or ability to adapt, he'd have faked like he was going along with the rest of them, and somehow got the word out when he got back home.

And if he had really wanted to get the word out, he would have.

Veidt beating the crap out of him showed us that he was no real threat against someone with true ability and vision, and his death basically demonstrated that someone like him has no place in the world, unlike Laurie and Dan who were able to adapt to their new surroundings.

Rorschach recognized that he had no place in the world. That's why he left it.

Strangely enough, Rorschach didn't really have much of a costume, other than the mask---which was made from a woman's dress. And even though he wore a fedora, coat, and suit, he never washed the damned thing and stank to high heaven. I know he's seen as one of the coolest characters in the book, and I do like some of his qualities (his taking on Big Figure's goons was excellent), but I can't help but feel sorry for him most of the time.

The reason people identify with Rorschach is that we all have a voice in our head that says "Things should not be this way." If you've ever read forum responses to news stories about rape or murder, you'll see what I mean. Every person, on some level, identifies with the attitude of justice as an absolute. Rorschach is sympathetic when he really should not be, because we all wish that absolutes could work in the real world, that we could say "Good is good and evil is evil," and respond to evil accordingly. Because of this, we wish it would work for Rorschach. We wish that he'd win, even though we know he can't.

 

[[A]]

The reason people identify with Rorschach is that we all have a voice in our head that says "Things should not be this way." If you've ever read forum responses to news stories about rape or murder, you'll see what I mean. Every person, on some level, identifies with the attitude of justice as an absolute. Rorschach is sympathetic when he really should not be, because we all wish that absolutes could work in the real world, that we could say "Good is good and evil is evil," and respond to evil accordingly. Because of this, we wish it would work for Rorschach. We wish that he'd win, even though we know he can't.

QFT

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'll try to search for a video from Boba Fett's original voice in ESB.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yup, I found a video. Just google "boba fett's voice" and click Boba Fett Oldschool voice.

What really makes me think of his voice to Rorscach's is when he says, "What if he doesn't survive? He's worth alot to meee."

 

[I Am The Knight]

I never really thought of Rorschach's voice like that...But it could work. I do like Bobba Fett's original voice a lot.

 

[BirdsDoThus]

The reason people identify with Rorschach is that we all have a voice in our head that says "Things should not be this way." If you've ever read forum responses to news stories about rape or murder, you'll see what I mean. Every person, on some level, identifies with the attitude of justice as an absolute. Rorschach is sympathetic when he really should not be, because we all wish that absolutes could work in the real world, that we could say "Good is good and evil is evil," and respond to evil accordingly. Because of this, we wish it would work for Rorschach. We wish that he'd win, even though we know he can't.

*applauds*

 

[Lobster Charlie]

The reason people identify with Rorschach is that we all have a voice in our head that says "Things should not be this way." If you've ever read forum responses to news stories about rape or murder, you'll see what I mean. Every person, on some level, identifies with the attitude of justice as an absolute. Rorschach is sympathetic when he really should not be, because we all wish that absolutes could work in the real world, that we could say "Good is good and evil is evil," and respond to evil accordingly. Because of this, we wish it would work for Rorschach. We wish that he'd win, even though we know he can't.

Very well said, and I definitely identify with this aspect of the character. This is also a place where I find some inherent sadness in Rorschach--and maybe in humankind in general: the pure futility of it all. Maybe that's what Alan Moore was driving at when he created this character.

When you look at the heroes that were killed during the course of the graphic novel, you can get a peek at what the author may of these archetypes and their place in context of the story (or possibly society as a whole). The most cynical, amoral character is killed off immediately. Then we lose the honest, upright elder statesman in Nite Owl I--a person who failed to truly keep up with times and spent most of his years living in the present while surrounding himself with his golden past. Rorschach, being the most "punk rock" of the characters, is also left out of Veidt's new world really due to his inflexibility.

Cynicism, nostalgia, and absolutism are seen as disposable and ultimately useless if the world were to somehow "correct" itself. Of course, Moore threw us all a little bone with the final panel of Seymour reaching for Rorschach's journal, but even then---who would truly believe The New Republic? Even the editor of the paper thought the journal sounded like something from a serial killer.

I'm thinking Doctor Manhattan's final words to Veidt (and each one of us, really) drives home the overriding message of the book. "Nothing ever ends" can really be applied to each of these characters. It can be seen as something cynical (The Comedian), something that would drive one's absolutism (Rorschach), "the past" never ending (Nite Owl I).

When I think of it that way, it looks like Veidt may have been the bigger sucker after all. Maybe. He thinks he's come up with the ultimate solution, but Doctor Manhattan, from a perspective even bigger than Veidt's, pretty much puts both Veidt and Rorschach in the same boat. While Rorschach got his immediately, Veidt may very well get his in the long run.

Hrm. Anyway, your post got my mind working again on this book. Thanks!

 

[Doctor Jones]

What's great about Rorscach is that he does things that we wish we could do deep down but we know it's not right.

 

[the_tortel]

squid can still be in a nuclear blast would not leave bodies right :

yeah that

and is thast the st louis arch?

Maximum Hurmage:

http://video.televisionwithoutpity.com/player/#videoid=774821

that was good haha

 

[darkseid26]

anyone have the footage in Ipod format?

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

is there anyway i can get the new footage in 3gp? for my phone
if anyone has a converter can they help me out

 

[The Guard]

I agree. However, on Rorschach being somewhat pathetic, well, I never got the impression that he was supposed to be. Kovacs, sure, but never Rorschach. The impression I always got with Rorschach was that he was absolutely an extremely capable person. He took the work more seriously than anyone; it seemed obvious to me that his obsessive and methodical nature would extend to physical training. What's more, Rorschach was one of the few (the others being Comedian and Ozymandias) not portrayed as being a joke while in costume. Of the heroes--most of whom were painted as people playing dress-up--he really seemed the least pathetic of all (except as Kovacs, where of course he was the most pathetic).

Agreed. It's his mindset and outlook that is seen as pathetic by others. The fact that he's clung so desperately to what he is, and to his beliefs. Not his capabilities. But in the grand scheme of things, he is obsolete. And so, his actions can be viewed as pathetic, depending your point of view.

 

[Octoberist]

Yup, I found a video. Just google "boba fett's voice" and click Boba Fett Oldschool voice.

What really makes me think of his voice to Rorscach's is when he says, "What if he doesn't survive? He's worth alot to meee."

Boba's old school voice sounds way cooler than the 'Jango Fett' special edition voice.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Boba's old school voice sounds way cooler than the 'Jango Fett' special edition voice.

Indeed. It's sooooooo badass.
Yeah it's for continuity, but Morrison could of at least tried with the lines. The worst delivery he had was my favortie delivery of the original voice.

"What if he doesn't survive? He's worth alot to me."

 

[david icke]

Re: Boba's old voice as Rorscach voice...yeah, that's the kind of way i always heard Rorscach's in my head come to think of it now, and i was annoyed when they changed the voice on the special ed dvd as i was quite happy with the other changes in ESB(as opposed to teh ones in ANH and ROTJ).

I've said this on an old thread but I always got a Rorschach vibe from the scene in ROTJ when Boushh approaches the carbonite and frees Solo, the lighting is like Watchmen's colours, the music is nice and eeire, Boiushh has a full face mask and is sneaking around like rorschach, and the voice is good for rorschach, if a little electronic.
sorry, a little off topic, but had to say, love that scene, that's the kind of vibe i wanted when rorschach discovers the comedian's outfit.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Another actor who would of made a great Rorscach is Paddy Consindine. Watch Cindarella Man and you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[[A]]

Paddy Considine.. I had to look up for some info

 

[Jonathan Crane]

is there anyway i can get the new footage in 3gp? for my phone
if anyone has a converter can they help me out

You can export to 3GP in Quick Time.

 

[-Arya-]

I just noticed something in the trailer. When Rorschach is using the spray can, it says Veidt on it just like in the graphic novel.

Now thats paying attention to detail!!

 

[the_tortel]

I just noticed something in the trailer. When Rorschach is using the spray can, it says Veidt on it just like in the graphic novel.

Now thats paying attention to detail!!

I saw that too, pretty sweet

I also saw this "Veidt Sport" ad from a pic of the city

it's behind the blue bus stop sign

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Another actor who would of made a great Rorscach is Paddy Consindine. Watch Cindarella Man and you'll know what I'm talking about.

He was one of the candidates for the role and the main contender for the Greengrass version.

 

[Killing Joke926]

Just noticed this in the footage:

Coolness.

*snaps fingers* The exact picture I needed to prove my theory; my sincerest thank you's Mr. Falcone. *Hurm* Anywho, in the new trailer I noticed when Rorschach and Nite Owl crashed Archie in the snow, they're actually pretty much in front of Ozzy's palace. With that said, and thinking as logical as possible, there's no need for Nite Owl to be wearing his snow suit or any need to bust out the hover bikes to Ozzy's door; so it's easy to say Zack cut those two things outta the movie. Not that it won't really make a huge impact or gap in the story, just something I just happened to notice.

 

[Jon1]

I havent seen this mentioned anywhere else but why is Dr Manhattan not wearing his suit in scenes where he blatently should be, such as the 'tank scene'. This, in the comic, takes place after hes been introduced to the public and the press.

Could it be that Snyder has changed it so that Manhattan goes from the pants to nothing? If this is the case (its just an assumption) then it certainly takes away from Manhattan's gradual distancing from the human race.

However, my mate who was reading this over my shoulder (rude b***ard), suggested that it may be that the footage isnt finished. Which is a fair point.

Thoughts?

 

[david icke]

I havent seen this mentioned anywhere else but why is Dr Manhattan not wearing his suit in scenes where he blatently should be, such as the 'tank scene'. This, in the comic, takes place after hes been introduced to the public and the press.

Could it be that Snyder has changed it so that Manhattan goes from the pants to nothing? If this is the case (its just an assumption) then it certainly takes away from Manhattan's gradual distancing from the human race.

However, my mate who was reading this over my shoulder (rude b***ard), suggested that it may be that the footage isnt finished. Which is a fair point.

Thoughts?

Maybe Jon with the black v-neck suit just didn't look that good CGI'ed. They said in test shots the all black spider-suit didn't look so good for spidey3 so changed it to just the normal suit blackened up, could be a similar effect here, just doesn't look good. Tbh, I think it's a minor point, he goes from black panties to letting it all hang out.

 

[Doctor Jones]

He was one of the candidates for the role and the main contender for the Greengrass version.

Yeah, plus he did work with him in Bourne Ultimatum. When I first heard it I thought of Bourne and I was like, "What?" But then I saw him in Cinderella Man and yeah, he would of made a great Rorscach.