Mortal Kombat X - Part 2

[DarthSkywalker]

If it's really that offensive to you, just don't buy it. Wait for the inevitable KE, and then you can get the "complete" game at the same price a little later on.

This attitude is exactly why stuff like Unity and BF4 getting released in near unplayable states happen.

 

[jmc]

If it's really that offensive to you, just don't buy it. Wait for the inevitable KE, and then you can get the "complete" game at the same price a little later on.

Why isn't it offensive to you?

 

[TX85]

Not buying a game or waiting for it to drop price or waiting for an eventually GOTY edition is a good solution than *****ing over and over about the business. It's not going to change and if you're so unhappy then just quit gaming or do one of those solutions. Problem solved!

 

[jmc]

Why do you think there's a continual downward spiral in game quality in recent years? Because gamers are continually falling for these business tactics and all it's doing is encouraging companies to cut corners in order to squeeze you of every coin you have. It's resulting in gamers of poorer and poorer quality. Gamers then have the audacity to whine about games being incomplete or buggy but they are part of the very problem they complain about. All you're doing is encouraging further bad business tactics. It's a cycle and it needs to stop.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

They still planned it did they not? You don't just add Jason Vorhees and Predator in at the last minute. Asking you the consumer to pay an additional $30 for content they already had planned is absurd. If the game still works without these DLC characters that makes it even worse because in the end you're not paying for much for $30. These are bad business tactics that people need to stop falling for because in the end us consumers get screwed over. In my country this game alone is going to cost $89, and they have the nerve to ask consumers down here to pay an additional $35-40 for the full roster of characters?

It's not so much bad business practices as it is uninformed gamers like yourself(and I'm not singling you out specifically, just that most gamers aren't nearly as informed as they think due to the fact they don't have any true inside knowledge). This is common among individuals who either don't work in the industry, or don't know any one who does.

Development isn't a one and done situation. It's constantly evolving from the very first concept meeting all the way to printing.

A lot of the time, not always, but more times than gamers are willing to admit DLC is handled AFTER the initial budget has been given to the studio, even if gamers are already aware of said DLC.

People like you see "DLC" prior to the games launch and jump to the conclusion that the DLC has long been completed and you are just getting taken for extra money. Which I can understand as I stated prior you don't know any better and that practice does indeed happen. It just doesn't happen as much as people like you want to admit.

 

[JLU51306]

The Kombat Pack is 4 characters, and 5 skin packs. When you buy it, you get all of it for $30. None of this is day 1 DLC, and each character will be released separately for $5, and each skin pack for $3.

$5 + $5 + $5 + $5 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 = $35.

You save $5. You don't want the skin packs that you'll probably never use? Don't buy the Kombat Pack, and just the characters-- $20. The same price-point for all 4 characters in MK9, where none of this complaining happened.
Hell, if you preorder the Premium Edition on PSN, you get $9 off the combat pass-- $21-- $5 per character-- $0.25 per skin pack.

This cookie-cutter outrage over DLC is ridiculous. Games have been $60 for 10 years, even though games are far more technical, and require more resources and manpower to make, there's been no change in the base price. Excuse game developers for trying to make some additional profit. Some games have crappy DLC practices, sure, but as far as MKX? People aren't using logic.

 

[TX85]

Whoa,when did you know insider scoop Pat?

 

[jmc]

It's not so much bad business practices as it is uninformed gamers like yourself(and I'm not singling you out specifically, just that most gamers aren't nearly as informed as they think due to the fact they don't have any true inside knowledge). This is common among individuals who either don't work in the industry, or don't know any one who does.

Development isn't a one and done situation. It's constantly evolving from the very first concept meeting all the way to printing.

A lot of the time, not always, but more times than gamers are willing to admit DLC is handled AFTER the initial budget has been given to the studio, even if gamers are already aware of said DLC.

People like you see "DLC" prior to the games launch and jump to the conclusion that the DLC has long been completed and you are just getting taken for extra money. Which I can understand as I stated prior you don't know any better and that practice does indeed happen. It just doesn't happen as much as people like you want to admit.

I never said complete. I said planned.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Why isn't it offensive to you?

Because I've come to terms with how these things work. That's how a lot of AAA publishers set up their budgeting now (part for the main game, part for the DLC), and I know being an internet warrior about it honestly isn't going to do anything. As long as the base game is good, and has a good amount of content, I don't have an issue with them making DLC at the same time as the base game.

In the end, yes, there's plenty to argue and debate, but it comes down to a simple choice: buy or don't buy, or in other words, support or don't support. If you're so passionate about it, skip the vanilla edition and buy the "complete" collection later or just boycott the game in general.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not so much bad business practices as it is uninformed gamers like yourself(and I'm not singling you out specifically, just that most gamers aren't nearly as informed as they think due to the fact they don't have any true inside knowledge). This is common among individuals who either don't work in the industry, or don't know any one who does.

Development isn't a one and done situation. It's constantly evolving from the very first concept meeting all the way to printing.

A lot of the time, not always, but more times than gamers are willing to admit DLC is handled AFTER the initial budget has been given to the studio, even if gamers are already aware of said DLC.

People like you see "DLC" prior to the games launch and jump to the conclusion that the DLC has long been completed and you are just getting taken for extra money. Which I can understand as I stated prior you don't know any better and that practice does indeed happen. It just doesn't happen as much as people like you want to admit.

Here is the truth. They can't charge more for games, because the public would scoff at more then $60. So you know what? We get the "special editions" and DLC at ridiculous prices. There is a difference between preplanned DLC and creating expansions packs and DLC down the line, intended to keep a game fresh and relevant.

Your entire point is lost as soon as you point out that this is preplanned with the intention of charging more on release.

 

[Havok83]

This attitude is exactly why stuff like Unity and BF4 getting released in near unplayable states happen.

Not really. What is happenning with MKX is completly different than what happened with Unity and BF4. I guess we'll have to wait and see but I doubt it will launch broken and full of glitches which have an adverse effect on gameplay. Maybe their online connectivity, but then again NRS has never been good with that. Im sure the game itself will be fine

 

[TX85]

I hope NR shows a Goro trailer soon

 

[jmc]

Because I've come to terms with how these things work. That's how a lot of AAA publishers set up their budgeting now (part for the main game, part for the DLC), and I know being an internet warrior about it honestly isn't going to do anything. As long as the base game is good, and has a good amount of content, I don't have an issue with them making DLC at the same time as the base game.

In the end, yes, there's plenty to argue and debate, but it comes down to a simple choice: buy or don't buy, or in other words, support or don't support. If you're so passionate about it, skip the vanilla edition and buy the "complete" collection later or just boycott the game in general.

That's kinda sad to read because I don't know how anyone can believe there's $30 worth of content being on offer here.

 

[JLU51306]

That's kinda sad to read because I don't know how anyone can believe there's $30 worth of content being on offer here.

So do you not think $5 per character, and $3 per skin pack is reasonable?

 

[Nathan]

It's still 4 characters and a bunch of costumes, for half the price of a full game, that comes with a massive story mode and 20+ characters, who all have default alt outfits.

It's great that we get these additional characters, and I will cave and buy the Predator, but I too think the pricing isn't right, when compared to the main game.

 

[JLU51306]

It's still 4 characters and a bunch of costumes, for half the price of a full game, that comes with a massive story mode and 20+ characters, who all have default alt outfits.

It's great that we get these additional characters, and I will cave and buy the Predator, but I too think the pricing isn't right, when compared to the main game.

I get that complaint, but objectively speaking, think about what you're getting;

A fully modeled, playable fighter how has to have his moves designed and motion-captured, play-tested, balanced with everyone else, have voice work done, while also having 3 different variations, 2 different fatalities, and multiple brutalities. I don't think $5 is much to ask for that, individually speaking.

The Kombat Pack is really for the die-hard fans who will purchase all of the costume packs and characters anyway, and this way they save $5 (or $14 on PSN), it doesn't have to be purchased and everything can be bought separately.

Look at Last of Us, with DLC of just a weapon for $1-3. Comparatively, I think $5 is very reasonable to ask for a playable fighter, but that's just me.

 

[Hellion]

I don't recall this Tremor (Tremer) character? I take it he was another palette swapped ninja?

Can't wait to see any game footage of Predator or Jason.

 

[jmc]

So do you not think $5 per character, and $3 per skin pack is reasonable?

Not in the slightest. If you're paying $60 USD for 25 characters, plus story mode, plus all the other kombat modes that comes with the game already $5 per character is a complete rip off. Skins are even more worthless, I have no idea what people think the value of those are. The licences for Predator and Jason I can understand requiring more payment, that I'm fine with given they are owned by other companies, but everything else that's entirely Neatherrealm's original creation is worth no more than $5 in total.

 

[-Arya-]

It was the same situation with Injustice. I just held off buying it until the Ultimate edition released on PS4. With MKX it's a bit different since I'm not too eager to play as any of the DLC characters other than Predator. I'll most likely buy the base game with Predator as an addition.

 

[Nathan]

I don't recall this Tremor (Tremer) character? I take it he was another palette swapped ninja?

Pretty much. He made his first appearance in the game Mortal Kombat Special Forces. A game that, according to the fans, wasn't great. I think he made his 2nd appearance in the Vita version on MK9, as part of the challenge Tower if I'm not wrong. He was wearing a palette swap of the MK3 Ninja costumes.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's kinda sad to read because I don't know how anyone can believe there's $30 worth of content being on offer here.

I didn't say that in the remotest, but okay.

 

[BattleCat]

I'm content to wait out the storm until the release some complete edition. What I don't like are these business practices that are essentially selling gamers incomplete games and then asking them to pay more to complete the game.

But it is complete. It's like call of duty and map packs.

 

[TX85]

So is it konfirmed yet that we can buy dlc characters seperatly? I forgot if we could in MK 9 and Injustice

 

[Tron Bonne]

So is it konfirmed yet that we can buy dlc characters seperatly? I forgot if we could in MK 9 and Injustice

It's not been said, no, but you could buy them separately in those, yes.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I hope NR shows a Goro trailer soon

Speaking of that guy, is there any chance he changes his allegiance now that Shao Kahn is gone, and go on the side of Kitana?