MoS vs BvS

[DA_Champion]

Discuss.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think I enjoyed Man of Steel anymore, but I just came out of BvS an hour ago.

 

[Drz]

I loved the Batman stuff, but because of the heavy JL marketing I would say Man of Steel is the better movie.

Still, I loved everything about Batman this movie had to offer. Both movies are hollow, building the world full of lore, but lack of character depth.

 

[dude stannis]

I can't choose. They're so different, yet entirely similar.

 

[titansupes]

Literally just got back, and need time to process... Superman was somehow more Superman'y in this, and yet some how very much NOT. Hell, same with Batman. It's a bizarrely twisted, dark movie... Yet, I enjoyed it more than I ever have MoS.

Jesus. So weird.

 

[Batmannerism]

Saw B v S last night.

I need to see it again before I can really make a substantive comment, but on first impressions....... Man of Steel is a much better movie !

Snyder must have toned down the action in B v S in response to critiques of MOS, he shouldn't have ! The battle of Smallville was far better than the Supes, Bats, WW v Doomsday fight - even Supes v Zod was better.

In the end I came out of Man of Steel feeling elated and upbeat - I should have come out of B v S feeling emotionally wrung out and sad (given the ending) but instead came out kind of ho-hum.

This is not to say there aren't great things in B v S, there are great parts but as a whole it doesn't hold together as well as MOS.

If anything B v S makes MOS look better !

In some ways though B v S is really a Batman movie that guest stars Superman - that's the impression I got.

 

[KidFlash6969]

The half hour of action scenes and Batman scenes we got were awesome. The 2+ hours of senate meetings and bizarre dream sequences however...

 

[Quasimod0]

Man of Steel is like a 7/10 for me, and I still like it better than BvS.

 

[Rain in Gotham]

Mos is average and bvs is crap

 

[OutOfBoose]

Man of Steel is a better cut movie, but Batman v Superman provided way more spectacle and interesting plot turns, I liked it way more.

 

[Mjölnir]

I'm not quite sure. BvS isn't quite as illogical as MoS is at times but it lacks the focus of the predecessor and is much more scattered and less effective in it's storytelling. The characters having weak motivations are bad, especially for the titular fight, but I like the portrayal of Batman more than the characters in MoS. Then again Lex was the opposite.

What makes it hard is that I wasn't as disappointed with BvS, but maybe that's because I had much lower expectations (much due to MoS). I'm leaning towards equal, but I'm not fully comfortable with the decision.

 

[BH/HHH]

Man of Steel is a better film for sure, it flowed alot better, the world felt more real and the score was leaps & bounds better. That's not to say MOS beats BvS on every level but it does on most.

Maybe the 3 hour cut of BvS will change that though.

 

[Wise]

Man of Steel is like a 7/10 for me, and I still like it better than BvS.

Yeah I feel the same way. MoS was alright. BvS was disappointing.

 

[Decepticonus]

Still too soon and processing. I loved MoS, still do and do feel it is one of those films gets better everytime. I just saw BvS like 14 hours ago and still processing it. But I did LOVE it. I want to say MoS is better but at the same time I feel each too different of a creature. It reminds me of Alien (horror) versus Aliens (action), too different that it's hard to compare. I may need to see BvS again.

 

[Drizzle]

To me, they're both satisfactory. Not great, but not terrible. Man of Steel was more "clean" with its narrative, but I thought Batman v. Superman was more entertaining. I'd give it to BvS.

 

[Skrilla31]

BVS has higher highs but also much lower lows, and the highs really only last for about a minute or two.

BVS actually makes MOS seem focused.

 

[BH/HHH]

Still too soon and processing. I loved MoS, still do and do feel it is one of those films gets better everytime. I just saw BvS like 14 hours ago and still processing it. But I did LOVE it. I want to say MoS is better but at the same time I feel each too different of a creature. It reminds me of Alien (horror) versus Aliens (action), too different that it's hard to compare. I may need to see BvS again.

That's a great comparison

 

[Decepticonus]

That's a great comparison

Why thank you, I will say in the end in that comparison I prefer Alien but that can be argued that I'm a huge horror fan. But this... this, still very hard to tell.

 

[BH/HHH]

Why thank you, I will say in the end in that comparison I prefer Alien but that can be argued that I'm a huge horror fan. But this... this, still very hard to tell.

I'm a huge horror fan too t:

 

[Harry Dresden]

Man of Steel.

 

[DA_Champion]

Looks like Man of Steel will win another "vs" thread on these forums.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think they both not very good but Man of steel is better.

 

[Batmannerism]

Looks like Man of Steel will win another "vs" thread on these forums.

The one thing we all expect Snyder to get right is the action.

In B v S there are 4 main action sequences that really stand out:

1) Batman v Superman: this almost gets a pass, although it was far too one-sided and brief. I can't believe I'm saying it, but Snyder cut an action sequence too short.

While in Dark Knight Returns Batman wins, he gets severely messed up and literally has to die to win. In B v S, he doesn't gloat as much but doesn't get anywhere near as badly hurt, and in DKR Superman is clearly holding back for nearly 99% of the fight.

I feel it needed to be a bit more balanced, to really create a sense of risk for Batman - and do a bit of service to Superman, as after all he's a title character, not just a guest star in a Batman film (although that's what it felt like).


2) Batman + WW + Supes v Doomsday was a mess.

It was such a mess that Doomsday has zero personality, in fact it's so hard to see what's going on that we get little sense of him, other than as a CGI prop.

Snyder needed to watch Fellowship of the Ring and take notes from the Cave Troll scene in order to work out how to really portray a CGI bad-guy.

All that weird energy around DD also obscured what was going on.

Yeah, anyway as an epic, final confrontation it left a lot to be desired - Snyder went a bit Michael Bay on this one.


3) Batman's rescue of Martha Kent.....no complaints, well done Mr Snyder.


4) Batman and the Batmobile vs Luthor's goons .....yeah, it was okay, but I preferred Nolan's tumbler chase from batman Begins.


MOS has a bunch of action sequences too

- The kryptonian civil war, Jor El vs the Zod squad, and Jor El v Zod: not as good as Batman v the contractors, but a good hand-to-hand melee.


- The Battle of Smallville: stands head and shoulders above anything in B v S just for carnage, excitement and clarity. I still think it's only rival for best super-battle is the Hulkbuster sequence from Age of Ultron. Fast, vicious and brutal it clearly shows what happens when kryptonians fight and humans try to get involved.


- The world engine: messy, a bit like the final fight in B v S, although with a much clearer resolution.


- Supes v Zod: Not as good as the Smallville fight, but better than the final battle in B v S, because we could actually see what was going on.



So in those terms, which are most central to Snyder's reputation as an action director, MOS comes out on top.

The characterizations are a different issue, but based on action, bizarrely MOS wins. I mean, I was hoping for something really apocalyptic from Snyder this time, but got something quite mediocre. Sigh.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Man of Steel by far.

 

[Decepticonus]

It was such a mess that Doomsday has zero personality, in fact it's so hard to see what's going on that we get little sense of him, other than as a CGI prop.

I never knew the character ever had or needed a personality, given that he was originally created as nothing more but a plot device to kill Superman.