Mr. Freeze in Reeves' Batuniverse

[Eddie Dean]

I hate you.

 

[cryptic name]

Still kind of surprising to me that Nolan never found a place for Freeze. The whole frozen wife thing is so up Nolan's alley its crazy.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

I'd honestly like an outfit not too disimilar to this look in Beyond (it's not the actual freeze suit in it but )

And eventually a dark snowy maze chase scene not too disimilar to the one at the end of The Shining. A coldly moving Fries in that outfit chasing down Batman in a dark snowy maze in that outfit could potentially be pretty dope.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Still kind of surprising to me that Nolan never found a place for Freeze. The whole frozen wife thing is so up Nolan's alley its crazy.

Not to me. He specifically said he didn’t want to use supernatural elements. That’s why when he casted Tom for Bane I knew it wasn’t going to be right. He should have went with The Riddler since he’s a great mystery writer. So much for that.

 

[Predator jp]

tbh Two-Face in TDK looked supernatural to me.

 

[Babillygunn]

Wanting Mr. Freeze is basically wanting Heart of Ice (or so I've observed), which I don't particularly need to see again.

Loved Mr. Freeze as a kid, but the older I've gotten the more I've realized that Freeze was only ever made interesting by his origin and its accompanying storyline. Take that away, there's not much there worth exploring. I'd rather see other characters that Reeves can be more flexible with.

I loved what White Knight did to expand upon Mr Freeze by having him assist in Bruce’s delivery and with the story of his father being a double agent in WWII who was selling out the nazis.

Not sure how you tread all of that ground in a Batman movie, though.

 

[cryptic name]

Not to me. He specifically said he didn’t want to use supernatural elements. That’s why when he casted Tom for Bane I knew it wasn’t going to be right. He should have went with The Riddler since he’s a great mystery writer. So much for that.

But Freeze isn't supernatural, he's science fiction, and not really any more than the whole microwave emitter/fear gas schtick.

 

[GothamCity]

tbh Two-Face in TDK looked supernatural to me.

Totally True.

 

[Mindreaper21]

But Freeze isn't supernatural, he's science fiction, and not really any more than the whole microwave emitter/fear gas schtick.

Not exactly. Freeze’s accident can be seen as supernatural, because there’s nothing that we know of that could give a person such an extreme case of hypothermia that it turns their skin blue and still live. Something supernatural is something departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature. Even Bane was more believable with venom being a hyper steroid if you don’t include him growing in size, but even that wasn’t used.

A microwave emitter and fear gas are also believable, because there are vaporizers and drugs that cause anxiety as well as hallucinations. The emitter and fear gas are just exaggerated versions of those things on a larger scale.

 

[Doctor Jones]

This thread.

 

[Chris Reeves]

Every thread.

Fixed lol

 

[cryptic name]

Not exactly. Freeze’s accident can be seen as supernatural, because there’s nothing that we know of that could give a person such an extreme case of hypothermia that it turns their skin blue and still live. Something supernatural is something departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature. Even Bane was more believable with venom being a hyper steroid if you don’t include him growing in size, but even that wasn’t used.

A microwave emitter and fear gas are also believable, because there are vaporizers and drugs that cause anxiety as well as hallucinations. The emitter and fear gas are just exaggerated versions of those things on a larger scale.

Cryogenics is a real science taken to a kind of pulpy, cartoonish extreme with Freeze the way drugs that manipulate neuro-chemistry is a science taken to a pulpy extreme with Scarecrow.

 

[Chris Reeves]

Cryogenics is a real science taken to a kind of pulpy, cartoonish extreme with Freeze the way drugs that manipulate neuro-chemistry is a science taken to a pulpy extreme with Scarecrow.

Science-wise, I know they can stretch Freeze's story in a similar way to how Nolan did throughout the TDK trilogy. For me, I think it's more the character itself, appearance, mannerisms, story, etc that make me skeptical that it could work, and if it could, whether it might even be best to save Freeze for a different vision to get the best possible version of the character. But almost every "grounded" version of a Batman character has turned out awesome imo, I have no doubt in Reeves ability to surprise me in a good way.

 

[WatchProtect]

I honestly think the ONLY thing you'd have trouble explaining is the Low temperature thing.

His motive, mannerisms, and even the freeze gun can work tbh. But his need to be in below zero temperatures is a bit wonky.

Im still of the belief that Reeves is going in a Noir, Fantasy route so Mr. Freeze might not be so hard to include.

 

[shauner111]

I want to keep the horror. So as long as he doesn’t go Marvel or DCEU sci-fi (some scientist who’s experiment goes wrong and now Doctor Octavius brings the pain to..). If there’s a way to reinvent Victor Fries to make it horrific and less tropey? Awesome. But the structure feels like most comic book movies right now.

 

[J.Drangal]

I honestly think the ONLY thing you'd have trouble explaining is the Low temperature thing.

His motive, mannerisms, and even the freeze gun can work tbh. But his need to be in below zero temperatures is a bit wonky.

For Freeze's need to stay under low temperature though, I guess you could imagine a disease which its evolution can be slowed down by staying under a certain temperature. He could also have no choice that occasionally remove his armor, this process also damaging his body. Basically having a doomed guy trying to save his wife against the clock.

Really, on paper it doesn't seems much crazier than a centuries-old terrorist group, a man walking with a half of his head burnt or a machine to infiltrate other dreams or even a mercenaries wearing a mask blocking the pain... As much as Nolan's movie settings seemed realistic, he still managed to ground these finally pretty fantastic, sci-fi things.
And we're now dealing with Reeves, a director that had talking apes doing a revolution in two pretty serious movies. If he wants him, I'm not too worried, he'll find a way to make it all work for sure !

Im still of the belief that Reeves is going in a Noir, Fantasy route so Mr. Freeze might not be so hard to include.

Yep, I also think this new take will have its door open for a lot of things outside of the down-to-earth thriller. Reeves appears to be a director who want to builds his films primarily around the stories and the growth of his characters, no matter the setting.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Let’s just say Freeze is in the second film. Other than Freeze just trying to save his wife, how do you all think his story would tie in as a follow up to The Batman?

 

[Chris Reeves]

Let’s just say Freeze is in the second film. Other than Freeze just trying to save his wife, how do you all think his story would tie in as a follow up to The Batman?

I personally think Reeves is setting it up for the Court of Owls to be in the sequel, if not throughout the entire trilogy, so if Freeze was in the second film, it would have to tie into that somehow imo

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Reeves loves the 66 show, which notably featured 3 different actors as Freeze and actually changed the name from Mister Zero to Mister Freeze. I fully believe both Robin and Mister Freeze will have a presence in the sequel.

Let’s just say Freeze is in the second film. Other than Freeze just trying to save his wife, how do you all think his story would tie in as a follow up to The Batman?

Penguin puts a bounty on Batman’s head, and Mister Freeze tries to assassinate Batman to fund his research. I’m imagining this silent relentless, Mister X (Resident Evil 2), or Michael Myers-like figure, stalking Batman through Gotham. Batman can’t beat Freeze in a 1 on 1 fight, and has to use stealth to defeat him. Arkham City Freeze is absolutely terrifying and so intimidating.

Anyone doubting Freeze’s ability to sustain an interesting Batman movie need look no further than Arkham Origins’ ‘Cold, Cold Heart’, it’s nearly cinema-ready.

 

[J.Drangal]

Let’s just say Freeze is in the second film. Other than Freeze just trying to save his wife, how do you all think his story would tie in as a follow up to The Batman?

I personally think Reeves is setting it up for the Court of Owls to be in the sequel, if not throughout the entire trilogy, so if Freeze was in the second film, it would have to tie into that somehow imo

I tried something on the previous page. I'm not saying it's the solution or even the best idea, but I think it might work to tie Freeze tragedy to the main storyline the same way Dent was used in TDK. To be another "good guy" destroyed by the city.
But with the difference that I wouldn't have him confronting Batman in the climax but Bruce Wayne. If his accident has been caused by the Court of Owls or another "secret society" type of entity, I think there could be something interesting to see Bruce, the golden boy, being directly held responsible of Gotham curse. Anyway, it's more clear in my initial post. I think...

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I could see any one of these actors killing it:

Giancarlo Esposito
Mads Mikkelsen
Adam Driver
Denzel Washington
Michael Fassbender
Daniel Craig

 

[Chris Reeves]

I could see any one of these actors killing it:

Giancarlo Esposito
Mads Mikkelsen
Adam Driver
Denzel Washington
Michael Fassbender
Daniel Craig

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Any of the first three would be an easy choice to play Freeze.

 

[shauner111]

I'd also add Matthias Schoenaerts, Alexander Skarsgard and Joel Edgerton to that list. Mads is being typecast now and I'd find it rather lazy. Same with Giancarlo. I'm down for Driver, Denzel, Craig, Fassbender though.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Giancarlo Esposito has been my choice for a while now.

Also, I still dig this idea for adapting freeze.

 

[shauner111]

He looks like he’s about to spray my bugs.