My Issue with "New Goblin"

[Matt Murdock]

I don't know if you realize that...people have their own opinions. If Venom was pink (and I mean Barney pink) I wouldn't except it. This Film was amazing and I no problem with it. Just respect my opinion.

Barney is purple you idiot.

 

[Funkster]

Well, i'd say that New Goblin wasnt rushed (unlike Venom & to an extent Sandman), but the deleted scene with Dafoe would have been a nice touch.

Goblin was the most well rounded of the villains, Sandman had just 2 scenes of character development (at the start & the end) & as for Venom, Eddie's descent into obsession/hatred of Parker/Spider-Man was barely covered at all (apart from the praying for the death of Parker speech). He just loses his job then just appears at the church.

There was too much focus on Parker & MJ's relationship problems to properly flesh out these villains, which would have been more fun to watch than a dancing Peter Parker.

 

[Josh Bond]

Barney is purple you idiot.

LOL! HAHAHA!t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Barney is purple you idiot.

whatever! dude what the hell is your problem?!

LOL! HAHAHA!t:

thats not funny.

 

[Matt Murdock]

whatever! dude what the hell is your problem?!

thats not funny.

In reference to A) Specifically? I don't have one. Broadly? The number of regular errors you make and the odor of fanboy emanating from you.

In reference to B) Yes it was.

 

[OcStat]

come on!

werent people already saying the movie was too damn long and dragging on? now you want extra scenes in it that is gonna make it even longer? you would complain about the pacing of the film, blah blah blah, all sorts of stuff.

it doesnt matter what raimi did with this movie, at least 50% of the people here would **** all over it.

 

[Brolli]

The movie could've had more important scenes if MJ being a b*tch wasn't the movie. It was too much of a chick flick.

 

[Josh Bond]

whatever! dude what the hell is your problem?!

thats not funny.

I'm not trying to rip you off or anything, I just thought that it was funny that spidysuperfan felt the need to corect you over such aliitle thing.

 

[Matt Murdock]

Therefore, it was funny.

SSF: 1

SMH12: 0

 

[The Joker]

Therefore, it was funny.

No, it wasn't.

You're not funny, cool, or amusing in any way, shape, or form. SMH12 is a pleasant and polite poster. He expresses his opinion enthusiastically and respectfully.

You are an insulting troll that needs to grow up and stop picking on kids.

 

[Matt Murdock]

I'm sorry, was there a point there?

I couldn't discern it over all of the arrogance.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No, it wasn't.

You're not funny, cool, or amusing in any way, shape, or form. SMH12 is a pleasant and polite poster. He expresses his opinion enthusiastically and respectfully.

You are an insulting troll that needs to grow up and stop picking on kids.

Thanks man.

I'm not trying to rip you off or anything, I just thought that it was funny that spidysuperfan felt the need to corect you over such aliitle thing.

so you weren't trying to be mean? My bad for misunderstanding that.

 

[The Joker]

Thanks man.

No problem, dude.

In future, report someone who just insults you like that for no reason. You don't have to stand for that.

 

[Matt Murdock]

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No problem, dude.

In future, report someone who just insults you like that for no reason. You don't have to stand for that.

Yeah, only reason I couldn't think of anything mean to say is because Spideyssuperfan has been doing this for about a year now and I can't think of anything to say. But next time if anybody does that then I will report them.

 

[Matt Murdock]

Moving on...

Am I the only one who thought that the only relationship between Peter and Harry was the best developed one in the series?

By that I mean the following:

1) It took the longest to develop -- Harry and Peter remained friends for the first movie, most of the second, and weren't fighting until a good deal into the third. Meanwhile, Peter and Mary Jane's 'involvement' started at the end of Spider-Man 1 with their dramatic funeral-kiss and climaxed with the wedding run away.

As far the sandman interaction goes, the audience, and peter parker had developed a relationship with Ben's killer from the get-go, yet in Spider-Man 3, that relationship was suddenly altered, and we, as an audience, were expected to follow that shift to Flint Marko.

As far as the eddie brock story goes, we're introduced to the character in the first half hour of the third film, and he's spidey's worst enemy about an hour after that... what the deuce?

2) It was the most realistic -- Harry and Peter's relationship stayed on a steady, solid pathway through the trilogy. It had a beginning, middle, and end.

Mary Jane's relationship with peter was on-off-on-off...off...off...on...on...on...off. Far less steady.

As I said above, if we view sandman as uncle ben's killer, then there's a far more dynamic issue there. Sandman killing ben should have been a twist, yet it was used as a story device to enlist peter's anger. As far as I can tell, Raimi used the Sandman to get to the anger, that was the thought process. However, it would be far better to have started with the anger and used that to get to sandman. That is to say, what has sandman done thus far that could anger spidey, as opposed to what has spider-man been angry about that we can possibly connect to sandman?

 

[OcStat]

i will admit, the way i imagined spider-man 3 would be the day i walked out of the theater after spider-man 2...was a bit different than what we were givin. but i am happy with what we got. im not gonna say the ideas i hoped were going to be in the movie are BETTER than what was written, because they probably are not. and there are a bunch of people going around saying "i wanted this" or "it shouldve been that" and i dont want to partake in that kind of talk.

i will agree with you that harry and peters relationship is the must fulfilling in the series. but it is supposed to be. the way i see it, the spider-man trilogy is essential peter-harry-mary jane. those are the core characters, and everything throughout the films is just to push that along.

watching harry at peters birthday party in sm2, its a crappy feeling. there friendship is strained, there isnt anything peter can do about it, and you KNOW its all down hill from there. you know whats coming. but you know peter, at that point in his life, doesnt really have any other friends. mj's always pissed at him for something, and aunt may is...well. his aunt. you want things to be ok and they it just isnt going to happen.

i loved how the third movie dove straight into harry. we already know whats going through his head and all that. and i personally thought their first battle was gut-wretching. you can hear the despiration in peters voice when he realizes he almost killed harry. the amnesia stuff, a little forced, for sure. but again, it gives you that hope kinda feeling. like maybe it doesnt have to go that far again.

um. im kinda rambling on. what im trying to say is uh. i dig it. harry ftw!

 

[Matt Murdock]

Harry was, without a doubt, my personal favorite character in the series.

 

[OcStat]

come to think of it, the only gripe i have with that aspect of the movie is...peter was never in his costume when they fought.

 

[da3dl3us]

Here's the thing. I would agree there would be no need to develop more, if in the end of Spidey2, when he finds out about Peter being Spider-man, he accepts his destiny to avenge his father. But the thing is that he didn't. He was extremely conflicted about, to the point where he disobeys his ghost father's direct order:

Norman: AVENGE ME!
Harry: NOOO! (throws knife at mirror)

Then, he finds out his father was the Goblin. Wouldn't Harry at least consider, hey, whoa, my pop was a nut? No, we end with that cliffhanger, and boom, in Part 3, Harry is new Goblin. That's the WTH part.

So are we to assume that behind he scenes, he goes through this conflict and resolves it? See, that's what I wanted to see. This should be like Star Wars Episode III for Harry. Him embracing the Goblin identity in all it's psychotic glory.

Some of you say, "well, it's already too long". My response to that is, well, then cut out the crap in the movie. Like the Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer subplot. Or having 3 too many villains in the movie.

 

[Matt Murdock]

Did anyone else think that penny's locket should have turned to sand?

His entire body was molecularized into sand particles, yet somehow that precious locket that was key to the story remained intact.

 

[OcStat]

Here's the thing. I would agree there would be no need to develop more, if in the end of Spidey2, when he finds out about Peter being Spider-man, he accepts his destiny to avenge his father. But the thing is that he didn't. He was extremely conflicted about, to the point where he disobeys his ghost father's direct order:

Norman: AVENGE ME!
Harry: NOOO! (throws knife at mirror)

Then, he finds out his father was the Goblin. Wouldn't Harry at least consider, hey, whoa, my pop was a nut? No, we end with that cliffhanger, and boom, in Part 3, Harry is new Goblin. That's the WTH part.

So are we to assume that behind he scenes, he goes through this conflict and resolves it? See, that's what I wanted to see. This should be like Star Wars Episode III for Harry. Him embracing the Goblin identity in all it's psychotic glory.

Some of you say, "well, it's already too long". My response to that is, well, then cut out the crap in the movie. Like the Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer subplot. Or having 3 too many villains in the movie.

harry loves his dad. hes already been mad at peter (AND spider-man) for a while when he finds out about his father was the green goblin. why would he pick his budy who has been (unintentionally) giving him tons of greif over avenging his father? and you can tell in the last scene where hes at the wedding, just by the look on his face, that his mind is made up. he wants to get back at spider-man for killing his dad, peter for lying to him...now he has the means to get his ends.

 

[matthooper]

Did anyone else think that penny's locket should have turned to sand?

His entire body was molecularized into sand particles, yet somehow that precious locket that was key to the story remained intact.

Gold is an element. It's also metal. Only flesh and cotton (assuming as much) were broken down into sand. Both are bio materials. Just a thought.

It's funny though that we are still discussing Harry's story. Who in my opinion was by far the best thing in the film. The one perfect story arc.

 

[Josh Bond]

Here's the thing. I would agree there would be no need to develop more, if in the end of Spidey2, when he finds out about Peter being Spider-man, he accepts his destiny to avenge his father. But the thing is that he didn't. He was extremely conflicted about, to the point where he disobeys his ghost father's direct order:

Norman: AVENGE ME!
Harry: NOOO! (throws knife at mirror)

Then, he finds out his father was the Goblin. Wouldn't Harry at least consider, hey, whoa, my pop was a nut? No, we end with that cliffhanger, and boom, in Part 3, Harry is new Goblin. That's the WTH part.

So are we to assume that behind he scenes, he goes through this conflict and resolves it? See, that's what I wanted to see. This should be like Star Wars Episode III for Harry. Him embracing the Goblin identity in all it's psychotic glory.

Some of you say, "well, it's already too long". My response to that is, well, then cut out the crap in the movie. Like the Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer subplot. Or having 3 too many villains in the movie.

People are already saying that Sandman didn't have enough development, do you really think that would help things?

 

[matthooper]

People are already saying that Sandman didn't have enough development, do you really think that would help things?

Good point. If someone wants to complain about Sandman or Venom's development, hey we can debate all day. But to start a thread about Harry's development which has been going on since Spider-Man 1, it is actually rediculous. Love the film, hate it, or somewhere in between, I can't see any rational argument that can justify that Harry wasn't set up enough to become GG2.